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Hey everyone,

I'm new to surround speakers and setup and I just started my setup on Monday night. So far I have two A2.4 for my L and R speakers, a HSU VTF2-MK5 sub and a Denon X2500H receiver. I have done the Audyssey setup with the included microphone and set the A2.4 speakers to small; the crossover is set to 80Hz for everything. I wanted to ask two things:

1) I feel like some dialogue and sound effects when watching some movies is underwhelming. I've been testing movies on Disney + such as some of the Star Wars movies and Cars. During those movies dialogue, some of the music and sound effects sound low or not impactful. It doesn't alway sound full. Is it just how those movies sound? Is there something I should change on the receiver?

2) I attached a picture of our media room to show the placement of the speakers and subwoofer. I don't have stands yet so I'm using stools to play around with positioning and later height. My main concern is the subwoofer and left speaker positioning. Is it okay to have the speaker in front of the subwoofer? Space is tight on the left side to put them side by side and have enough distance from the wall and A2.4. The width of the room as seen in the picture is 12ft. I'll be getting a third A2.4 in the next couple of days to use a center speaker.

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A couple of quick things. First, did you remember to rotate the tweeters for vertical use? Do not forget that! Next, I always think it's best to audition audio equipment with high quality music that you are very familiar with. I have a few SACDs that are my go to's. One is Dire Straits BIA. But, whatever you have that's musical and you know it well.

I can't see the entire room, but I'd suggest moving that sub somewhere else in the room so you can set the front stage set correctly, and symmetrical. Subs being less directional are much more forgiving with placement.

Next, you might try setting the A2.4's as large and cross at 60hz. Try setting the sub at full LFE. I think you will find that these A2.4s can provide some decent punch in the 60-80hz range, so don't short change yourself. Getting them back, closer to the wall, next to both sides of the cabinet will help a lot to bringing out the presence.

Start with that and see what you think. The center is going to help a lot. I have a A2.4 LCR with A1.5 surrounds at 5.1 with a PSA15VX on a Denon 4311ic. These Chanes are outstanding.
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Hey everyone,

I'm new to surround speakers and setup and I just started my setup on Monday night. So far I have two A2.4 for my L and R speakers, a HSU VTF2-MK5 sub and a Denon X2500H receiver. I have done the Audyssey setup with the included microphone and set the A2.4 speakers to small; the crossover is set to 80Hz for everything. I wanted to ask two things:

1) I feel like some dialogue and sound effects when watching some movies is underwhelming. I've been testing movies on Disney + such as some of the Star Wars movies and Cars. During those movies dialogue, some of the music and sound effects sound low or not impactful. It doesn't alway sound full. Is it just how those movies sound? Is there something I should change on the receiver?

2) I attached a picture of our media room to show the placement of the speakers and subwoofer. I don't have stands yet so I'm using stools to play around with positioning and later height. My main concern is the subwoofer and left speaker positioning. Is it okay to have the speaker in front of the subwoofer? Space is tight on the left side to put them side by side and have enough distance from the wall and A2.4. The width of the room as seen in the picture is 12ft. I'll be getting a third A2.4 in the next couple of days to use a center speaker.

Thanks in advance!
A couple of quick things. First, did you remember to rotate the tweeters for vertical use? Do not forget that! Next, I always think it's best to audition audio equipment with high quality music that you are very familiar with. I have a few SACDs that are my go to's. One is Dire Straits BIA. But, whatever you have that's musical and you know it well.

I can't see the entire room, but I'd suggest moving that sub somewhere else in the room so you can set the front stage set correctly, and symmetrical. Subs being less directional are much more forgiving with placement.

Next, you might try setting the A2.4's as large and cross at 60hz. Try setting the sub at full LFE. I think you will find that these A2.4s can provide some decent punch in the 60-80hz range, so don't short change yourself. Getting them back, closer to the wall, next to both sides of the cabinet will help a lot to bringing out the presence.

Start with that and see what you think. The center is going to help a lot. I have a A2.4 LCR with A1.5 surrounds at 5.1 with a PSA15VX on a Denon 4311ic. These Chanes are outstanding.
I’m running 3 A2.4’s across my front & yes they are outstanding!! Couple of questions I have though, are you suggesting they be closer to front wall? My are about 40” from front wall. I had them toed to where they cross about a foot behind my listening position & after running Dirac my center image was gone. Everything seemed to lean toward the “left” speaker. I moved them back to where they are toed right at my listening position. Gonna rerun Dirac but wanted to know if you think they should be moved closer to wall?
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& by the way, talking about specific tracks to preview over the 2.4’s - Gold Dust Woman by Fleetwood Mac will give you chills!!!

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I’m running 3 A2.4’s across my front & yes they are outstanding!! Couple of questions I have though, are you suggesting they be closer to front wall? My are about 40” from front wall. I had them toed to where they cross about a foot behind my listening position & after running Dirac my center image was gone. Everything seemed to lean toward the “left” speaker. I moved them back to where they are toed right at my listening position. Gonna rerun Dirac but wanted to know if you think they should be moved closer to wall?
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I think it would be helpful to see a photo of your room and layout. I'm having a hard time imagining you having the TV and flanking L/R speakers floating 40" into the room? Something sounds odd.

I'm sure you've seen a traditional square/rectangular room set up. You try to position the TV against one wall with the L and R speakers on both sides approx 12" to 18" from the wall, obviously depending on the footprint of the speakers. Most center cabinets are 22" to 24" deep, so that kind of guides you.

Sounds to me, you might have the speakers a little too toed in, it that's a preference thing, and dependant on the dimensions of the room and the side to side width of the seating. Post a couple of pics and I'm sure you'll get alot of good feedback.

And yes, I have Rumors on DVD-A and it's another of my go to's.
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Here’s a pic bud. Don’t mind the “sliders” under the stands lol, they aid in positioning!!
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With the speakers toed further out my center image disappears.

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With the speakers toed further out my center image disappears.
OK, so the length of that wall seems to be around 11 to 12 ft long, or there abouts. I'd suggest getting the speakers to the side of the cabinet, centered between wall and cabinet side to side, with the front foot of the stands level with the front of the cabinet. Then only toe them in about an inch. Then give that a try. I think you'll be surprised. Also, did you turn the tweeters?
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OK, so the length of that wall seems to be around 11 to 12 ft long, or there abouts. I'd suggest getting the speakers to the side of the cabinet, centered between wall and cabinet side to side, with the front foot of the stands level with the front of the cabinet. Then only toe them in about an inch. Then give that a try. I think you'll be surprised. Also, did you turn the tweeters?
Ok bud I will definitely give that a shot tomorrow after work!! Yes, tweeters have been turned in the Left & Right speaker.
Thanks very much! I’ll follow up after I move them tomorrow.

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Moved my stereo into my office while I am working from home, it's in a smaller space than before so I am really enjoying the extra bass response. Listening to Dark Side of the Moon on SACD this morning, the quality is really noticeably better than streaming QOBUZ over Airplay. Paid like $70 for this Oppo player and it's been a real gem, and the Chanes easily scale with better sources and components.

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Moved my stereo into my office while I am working from home, it's in a smaller space than before so I am really enjoying the extra bass response. Listening to Dark Side of the Moon on SACD this morning, the quality is really noticeably better than streaming QOBUZ over Airplay. Paid like $70 for this Oppo player and it's been a real gem, and the Chanes easily scale with better sources and components.

Currently hunting for a new preamp, but for now the Schiit SYS is fine.

are your stands monoprice or something else?
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are your stands monoprice or something else?
Yeah they are the 24" Monoprice Monolith stands. Highly recommend them, they are well-made, sturdy, and can be filled with a weighted material.

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I looked at the Monoliths and they get a lot of great reviews, and are definitely a big thumbs up. I took a gamble on these for a less heavy look, and I was very pleasantly surprised how nice these are: Perlesmith Stands https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I use these for the rear A1.5's. For the A2.4's, I think the Monoliths would probably look better.
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I looked at the Monoliths and they get a lot of great reviews, and are definitely a big thumbs up. I took a gamble on these for a less heavy look, and I was very pleasantly surprised how nice these are: Perlesmith Stands https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0...?ie=UTF8&psc=1

I use these for the rear A1.5's. For the A2.4's, I think the Monoliths would probably look better.
Those are nice and more elegant looking for sure. I liked the Monoliths to match the boxy look of the Chanes.
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Those are nice and more elegant looking for sure. I liked the Monoliths to match the boxy look of the Chanes.
Yeah, they are both great stands. I don't like the fact with the Perlesmiths that you really can't fill the tubes for more weight. While they are very stable with the A1.5's, I think I would be more comfortable with the Monoliths for the A2.4's. Both excellent choices.
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**The Official Chane Music and Cinema owner's thread**

I grabbed a pair of Pangea DS400’s for some new goodies that are coming.

It seems to be the same thing as the monoprice stands (MP appears to have gotten access to the same OEM), but they were in stock when I ordered.

Agreed that their strongest point is being able to be filled with media.

I found a 50lb bag of dried silica sand that Amazon would ship to my door for cheap, so that’s what’s going inside my stand legs. I would have preferred a soft metal like Lead or Bismuth, but the non-toxic aspect of sand is nice during filling.


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I grabbed a pair of Pangea DS400’s for some new goodies that are coming.

It seems to be the same thing as the monoprice stands (MP appears to have gotten access to the same OEM), but they were in stock when I ordered.

Agreed that their strongest point is being able to be filled with media.

I found a 50lb bag of dried silica sand that Amazon would ship to my door for cheap, so that’s what’s going inside my stand legs. I would have preferred a soft metal like Lead or Bismuth, but the non-toxic aspect of sand is nice during filling.


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Hope you got two bags! Those things are voluminous (excuse the pun).

EDIT: Bwahahahaa, just saw this on Amazon customer review section:

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What an amazing set of stands. My niece and nephews come over from time to time and I don't have to worry about my speakers being knocked over anymore, they are incredibly stable. I also used Blu-Tak adhesive on the bottom of the feet of the speakers and they're nearly impossible to push off the stands. I filled the posts with sand, a 50 pound bag filled seven of the eight posts FYI, so they take about 30lbs per stand.
Time to go win the lottery!
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Yeah, those sure look to be identical. To Rays point, it's pretty amazing how much fill these take. Might be cheaper and easier, just to bolt them to the floor, LOL. j/k of course.
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Hope you got two bags! Those things are voluminous (excuse the pun).

EDIT: Bwahahahaa, just saw this on Amazon customer review section:



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It’s not dry though.


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Enjoying an adult beverage, listening to Take Five, waiting for the wife unit to decide what movie we will watch. Love ain’t too bad, all things considered.




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Currently hunting for a new preamp, but for now the Schiit SYS is fine.

Something that would fit nice for price and quality in your system would be the Emotiva PT-100, I've owned it and the TA-100 and they are both an insane value, my buddy stole the TA-100 from me and I had no use for the PT-100 so i sold it but I can vouch for them as being an outstanding value.


$299 - https://emotiva.com/collections/pre-...roducts/pt-100



BTW the A1.5 look great on those stands.


Found a couple of photos of the TA-100 I had, the PT-100 has all the same inputs just doesn't have the built in amplifier section.






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Something that would fit nice for price and quality in your system would be the Emotiva PT-100, I've owned it and the TA-100 and they are both an insane value, my buddy stole the TA-100 from me and I had no use for the PT-100 so i sold it but I can vouch for them as being an outstanding value.


$299 - https://emotiva.com/collections/pre-...roducts/pt-100



BTW the A1.5 look great on those stands.


Found a couple of photos of the TA-100 I had, the PT-100 has all the same inputs just doesn't have the built in amplifier section.






I always forget about Emotiva! I need to look into the unit, seems like a lot of features for the money.
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A couple of quick things. First, did you remember to rotate the tweeters for vertical use? Do not forget that! Next, I always think it's best to audition audio equipment with high quality music that you are very familiar with. I have a few SACDs that are my go to's. One is Dire Straits BIA. But, whatever you have that's musical and you know it well.

I can't see the entire room, but I'd suggest moving that sub somewhere else in the room so you can set the front stage set correctly, and symmetrical. Subs being less directional are much more forgiving with placement.

Next, you might try setting the A2.4's as large and cross at 60hz. Try setting the sub at full LFE. I think you will find that these A2.4s can provide some decent punch in the 60-80hz range, so don't short change yourself. Getting them back, closer to the wall, next to both sides of the cabinet will help a lot to bringing out the presence.

Start with that and see what you think. The center is going to help a lot. I have a A2.4 LCR with A1.5 surrounds at 5.1 with a PSA15VX on a Denon 4311ic. These Chanes are outstanding.
Yes, I rotated the tweeters for vertical use. The first couple of days I completely forgot to do that! I don't have any SACD's; any other suggestions on what to audition the speakers with?

I have attached some more pictures so you can see my room better. I received my 3rd A2.4 for use as a center speaker and placed in the entertainment cabinet below my TV for now. If I move the LR speakers back, should I plug the port. I think I remember reading that in the manual. I'll try the 60 Hz crossover, large setting, and full sub LFE setting as you suggested.

Not sure where to put the sub. Maybe I can put in front of the L speaker? HSU manual says put it in a corner or next to your seating position.

Thanks for your help!
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Here’s a pic bud. Don’t mind the “sliders” under the stands lol, they aid in positioning!!
What type of stands do you have? Can you fill them with sand?
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What type of stands do you have? Can you fill them with sand?
These are 26” Sanus Steel stands. Honestly I’m not sure if there was a hole on top of the pole to fill with sand as they are pretty sturdy & I live alone with no fear of them getting knocked over.
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Hey everyone,

I'm new to surround speakers and setup and I just started my setup on Monday night. So far I have two A2.4 for my L and R speakers, a HSU VTF2-MK5 sub and a Denon X2500H receiver. I have done the Audyssey setup with the included microphone and set the A2.4 speakers to small; the crossover is set to 80Hz for everything. I wanted to ask two things:

1) I feel like some dialogue and sound effects when watching some movies is underwhelming. I've been testing movies on Disney + such as some of the Star Wars movies and Cars. During those movies dialogue, some of the music and sound effects sound low or not impactful. It doesn't alway sound full. Is it just how those movies sound? Is there something I should change on the receiver?

2) I attached a picture of our media room to show the placement of the speakers and subwoofer. I don't have stands yet so I'm using stools to play around with positioning and later height. My main concern is the subwoofer and left speaker positioning. Is it okay to have the speaker in front of the subwoofer? Space is tight on the left side to put them side by side and have enough distance from the wall and A2.4. The width of the room as seen in the picture is 12ft. I'll be getting a third A2.4 in the next couple of days to use a center speaker.

Thanks in advance!

Rohan,

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1) Yeah, lots of movies are mastered in multichannel but then summed into stereo, either at the user end or the streaming service does this. Either way, it’s a common issue to encounter. I have seen it several times going to a 2.1 setup from a 5.1 setup. Some dialogue just sucks and there’s no mechanism to adjust the relative level of the center channel prior to being summed into the stereo mix. You can engage some global compression schemes (“dialogue enhancer 2000!!!” Et al), both those are very much a band aid and not a cure. And they tend to remove air and that sense of ambient space from soundtracks as well.

2) that’s actually fine, as long as you digitally time align them with your delay settings. No issues there though. I actually had the same thing going on at my old house in Florida and it sounded like a large, one-way system.


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