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post #361 of 670 Old 10-16-2018, 03:27 PM
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anyone happen to know how much larger the CG5 center may be than the 4?
Per Joe from RSL.

CG5: 12-5/8” tall, 7-5/8” wide, 10-3/4” deep

CG25: 19” tall, 8-1/2” wide, 9” deep – the height and width will switch when laid horizontally

If you have any questions just call or email them. While they aren't public on the website they are more than happy to tell you what they know.

I have a set of the CG3 L&R and CG23 center and was considering the CG5/ CG25 for a basement setup but thinking I'll just stick with the CG3 based on WAF and pricing.
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Just an FYI on RSL speakers

CG 23’s just set up a smallish room as a theater & sports den

Absolutely brilliant I mean I wanna do the whole house now ...

Clarity - crisp - superb ... loud too

Got B stock - cost was laughable compared to most high end names.

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Good stuff ...

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CG 23’s just set up a smallish room as a theater & sports den

Absolutely brilliant I mean I wanna do the whole house now ...

Clarity - crisp - superb ... loud too

Got B stock - cost was laughable compared to most high end names.

Customer service top notch

Although I don't own RSL, I had considered the C34E for Atmos (but turns out the cutout size was too big for my situation), so I contacted the company on more than one occasion - and they were stellar! Very helpful, not pushy at all. I'd be very confident in buying from RSL.
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Although I don't own RSL, I had considered the C34E for Atmos (but turns out the cutout size was too big for my situation), so I contacted the company on more than one occasion - and they were stellar! Very helpful, not pushy at all. I'd be very confident in buying from RSL.
I don't own RSLs either, but I found their customer service was really good too. A ways back, I had a bunch of questions about the CG23, and not only did they answer them all, but weren't pushy in the least. In fact, they they even admitted the CG23 might not be ideal for me due to the glossy finish (I have some reflection issues in my setup).
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Absolutely brilliant I mean I wanna do the whole house now ...

Well, if you ever do Atmos or something like that, I've not read one complaint about the C34E in-ceiling speaker! (The only complaints I hear are about not being in stock because the things are so danged popular! ) Lots of satisfied owners here. What baffles me is how they manage the level of quality and support, while having such reasonable prices!
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FYI... Specs and pricing for CG5 and CG25 now available on the RSL website. You can register for early pre-order access there if interested.

I've have waited patiently for these but, unfortunately, not convinced my patience was rewarded. The 5 series comes with a substantial price hike, i.e. cost to purchase (3) CG25 + (4) CGCG5 + (2) C34E is about 150% the cost of CG3 5.1.2 + CG23 2.1 bundles together (after current Black Friday discounts)... and then you still have to wait another few months for release and purchase of the new subs. No idea on pricing for those yet but it's not unreasonable to expect a notable increase over the 10S too.

So... while I'm sure the new 5 series speakers are a leap performance wise vs. earlier models and will likely play well against competitors at its price point, I'm afraid a new 5 series 7.2.2 setup is going to be outta reach $$ for me. Pretty frustrated as I really looked forward to trying out some larger RSL products. Guess I was just too optimistic or naive to think the new series would come at a smaller premium than it did. Man, now I really dread the thought of unboxing and setting up the smaller CG23 7.2.2 setup only to find it lacks the punch I need and has to go back. Decisions, decisions...

In any event, I'm sure it has been very challenging for RSL to launch new products in the midst of the devastating CA wildfires. We wish them the best, of course, and look forward to reviews from those lucky early adopters of their new 5 series.

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Here's the direct link to the CG5 page on the RSL website: https://rslspeakers.com/cg5-overview/

There's also a Black Friday sale going on through December 6. Discounts don't apply to receivers or the CG5 series.
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It looks like RSL has last year's receiver models on the website, despite saying "All current models available." Is that typical? Does anyone know when they might stock the latest receivers?
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How do the CG23 and CG3 compare to speakers going to 40 hz or so? Their high bottom hz rating of 100 and 85 is quite a bit higher than comparable bookshelves or monitors that usually bottom out around 40 hz. I want to know how good they sound compared to others especially if theirs any weirdness with crossover. For example, how do 2 CG3's and a Speewoofer set to 100 hz do with music?,

I'm interested in RSL's capability for a music-focused setup and trying to understand why they set the hz so high on their speakers. I know they're smart guys and do rigorous development. Their CG3 is 85-20,000 Hz ± 3db and their CG23 is 100-20,000 Hz ± 3db vs comparable bookshelf or monitors that spec 45-20,000 Hz ± 3db. Actually most of the other specs are =/- 45hz to 20khz (the same thing written differently). Bookshelf and monitors are likely to require a sub but this 85 and 100hz seems pretty high. Anyone running a CG3 2.1 or CG2 3 2.1 2 channel set up or use a 5.1 or 7.1 for music that has the front and left CG3 or CG23 and a Speewoofer?

For $669 2 x CG3 + sub or $799 2 x CG23 + sub it looks like a smoking deal for a 2.1 set up. I'm just having trouble understanding why the speakers only go down to 85 or 100hz. With the sub handling 24-200 Hz ± 3db I have no doubt they will be enough bass especially on a 2.2 set up with CG23 and dual subs. I like the pricing it's comparable to other options when they're on sale and you pay the same if you buy one or two pieces at a time or build up from say 2.1 to 5.1 well they'll probably be 16.8.6 someday. I really feel bad for those 13.2.4 folks out there that have to make do until something better comes out...
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How do the CG23 and CG3 compare to speakers going to 40 hz or so? Their high bottom hz rating of 100 and 85 is quite a bit higher than comparable bookshelves or monitors that usually bottom out around 40 hz. I want to know how good they sound compared to others especially if theirs any weirdness with crossover. For example, how do 2 CG3's and a Speewoofer set to 100 hz do with music?,

I'm interested in RSL's capability for a music-focused setup and trying to understand why they set the hz so high on their speakers. I know they're smart guys and do rigorous development. Their CG3 is 85-20,000 Hz ± 3db and their CG23 is 100-20,000 Hz ± 3db vs comparable bookshelf or monitors that spec 45-20,000 Hz ± 3db. Actually most of the other specs are =/- 45hz to 20khz (the same thing written differently). Bookshelf and monitors are likely to require a sub but this 85 and 100hz seems pretty high. Anyone running a CG3 2.1 or CG2 3 2.1 2 channel set up or use a 5.1 or 7.1 for music that has the front and left CG3 or CG23 and a Speewoofer?

For $669 2 x CG3 + sub or $799 2 x CG23 + sub it looks like a smoking deal for a 2.1 set up. I'm just having trouble understanding why the speakers only go down to 85 or 100hz. With the sub handling 24-200 Hz ± 3db I have no doubt they will be enough bass especially on a 2.2 set up with CG23 and dual subs. I like the pricing it's comparable to other options when they're on sale and you pay the same if you buy one or two pieces at a time or build up from say 2.1 to 5.1 well they'll probably be 16.8.6 someday. I really feel bad for those 13.2.4 folks out there that have to make do until something better comes out...
You have that reversed the cg23 plays to 85hz and cg3 to 100hz. They are not small drivers. Theres only so much can do with a 4" woofer so thats why actually its impressive they even can do that. They are very clear and detailed though as long as you pair them with a nice sub they work well in a smaller room. They sound bigger than they are i have the cg23 and would recomend them over the cg3 though. the speedwoofer is a decent sub for music but for movies it only goes down to about 30hz so its not going to be able to hit a lot those lower notes but for music you would be fine.
There are other options close to that price also. do you you definitely want bookshelf speakers?
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If you contact them, I'm sure they will be happy to explain the philosophy behind their speaker designs. Their blog page has an article that somewhat describes why they went to smaller speakers. You would need to scroll down to find it.

https://rslspeakers.com/blog/

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the philosophy is basically that by moving all of the bass frequencies to the sub, it makes it easier for the average AVR/reciever to drive the speakers.

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Thanks, makes sense to let the sub handle the lower frequencies. RSL and Rythmik have great music subs but a HSU or SVS or other would hit the lower notes.

I'm looking for bookshelf or monitor speakers for stand mounting may be able to fit a smaller tower. I'm going to use if for music don't need much below 30 hz even a full range tower with no sub could work. Budgeting $1,500 for speakers, sub, and 2 channel receiver or integrated amp but if I don't need a sub I could use the money on full range towers.
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with that budget you may want to also consider the new CG5''s or CG25's. another consideration for a serious music setup depending on the type of music you listen to is the Philharmonic Audio BMR Philharmonitors

http://www.philharmonicaudio.com/BMR...armonitor.html
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How do the CG23 and CG3 compare to speakers going to 40 hz or so? Their high bottom hz rating of 100 and 85 is quite a bit higher than comparable bookshelves or monitors that usually bottom out around 40 hz.
By comparable, do you mean small bookshelf speakers with 4" midranges? If so, take a quoted frequency response of 40Hz with a grain of salt because the others are not going down that low. A 4" driver in a compact enclosure will be unable to produce any audible output in that range. While 100Hz is a bit on the high side for that configuration, and won't blend well with less expensive subwoofers, it's at least a more accurate representation of capability than 40Hz is.

 
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@JimWilson : Any idea when RSL will get the latest receivers in stock? I'm still seeing e.g. the Yahama 3070 instead of the 3080.
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@JimWilson : Any idea when RSL will get the latest receivers in stock? I'm still seeing e.g. the Yahama 3070 instead of the 3080.
If you have any questions about products RSL sells it is best to call or email RSL directly. Their customer service is top notch and in my experience will gladly answer any of your questions in a timely manner. They are an authorized Yamaha and Denon dealer so they probably have access to the latest receivers and are just a little behind updating the website.
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Thanks, that confirms my thoughts about RSL using real specs and listing ranges speakers perform well at and other listing the max range including beyond where they have useful output. Like the Speedwoofer 10S have said output at 24 hz rating and usable output to 20 hz. 2 CG23 and a Speedfoofer sound like they'd be a solid option and second Speedwoofer could always be added.

Even something like the Mini Philharmonitor is doing 65 Hz - 20kHz at $695 or $750 ported the BMR Philharmonitor will do 34 Hz - 20kHz for $1,350 so no sub needed. What sub would you use with the min phil? A Rythmik L12 or LV12R?

Looking at the Onyko 8270 vs the more expensive Outlaw Audio RR2160 have heard the Outlaw is a little warmer and has more fully developed sound and I don't need HDMI passthrough.


Really like the Philharmonitor and Salk but this is what I'm thinking:

RSL 2.1 (upgradable to 2.2 just add a sub)

CG23 x 2

Speedwoofer x 1

Outlaw RR2160


That's about $1,500 plus a few cords and other accessories and CA tax or less if there's a good alternative to the Outlaw.
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Thanks, that confirms my thoughts about RSL using real specs and listing ranges speakers perform well at and other listing the max range including beyond where they have useful output. Like the Speedwoofer 10S have said output at 24 hz rating and usable output to 20 hz. 2 CG23 and a Speedfoofer sound like they'd be a solid option and second Speedwoofer could always be added.

Even something like the Mini Philharmonitor is doing 65 Hz - 20kHz at $695 or $750 ported the BMR Philharmonitor will do 34 Hz - 20kHz for $1,350 so no sub needed. What sub would you use with the min phil? A Rythmik L12 or LV12R?

Looking at the Onyko 8270 vs the more expensive Outlaw Audio RR2160 have heard the Outlaw is a little warmer and has more fully developed sound and I don't need HDMI passthrough.


Really like the Philharmonitor and Salk but this is what I'm thinking:

RSL 2.1 (upgradable to 2.2 just add a sub)

CG23 x 2

Speedwoofer x 1

Outlaw RR2160


That's about $1,500 plus a few cords and other accessories and CA tax or less if there's a good alternative to the Outlaw.
The CG5 line will or should be out next month. Maybe wait. The CG5 is supposed to be good to 50hz.
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I'm not sure actually, I've never discussed AVR's with Howard. As Rgarc said, give them a shout. They are really good folks to work with.

 
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Really like the Philharmonitor and Salk but this is what I'm thinking:

RSL 2.1 (upgradable to 2.2 just add a sub)

CG23 x 2

Speedwoofer x 1

Outlaw RR2160
I can't speak to the Outlaw AVR as I know very little about their products, but the rest of that system would be a good choice.
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The Outlaw receiver is a beauty and Guttenburg's review make me want two of them. However its gone up in price probably due to tariffs so I would also check out the the SVS Prime Wireless Soundbase, which is essentially an integrated Amp with built in streaming.Also, the Emotiva PT-100 + an A-300 amp would be worth checking out.
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That CG5 is impressive and the CG25 too. For music focused listening how's the CG23 MTM design going to sound versus the bottom tweeter CG5 at moderate volumes? There's a steep price jump to the CG5 (understandable with the higher cost components being used) vs CG23 but from there if you have the room and $200 the CG25 looks like the way to go. It's way too easy to spend money on home audio.

CG25 and 10S 2.1 system looks like $1,400 and subbing in CG5 would be $1,200 vs $799 for the CG23 and 10S 2.1. Figure $700 or more for something like the Outlaw or the Marantz PM6006 and you're looking at about $2,100 vs $1,900 vs $1,400. I may give the CG23 and a 10S a run if it's enough I'll be good or can return for a CG5 or CG25. Know if I try the CG5 or CG25 they'll be so good I'll never want to them up!



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CG5 Bookshelf bottom tweeter arrangement $800 for a Pair

5.25” woofer 1” silk tweeter
54-35,000 Hz ± 3dB
16 lbs.
H: 12 5/8” W: 7 5/8” D: 11 1/2″

CG25 Monitor MTM arrangement for $1,000

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What trim levels are peoples avr using for the rsl c34e speakers? Mine are set to +2ish while all the other speakers are way on the negative like -4.5 and -7. And I still think I should bump the c34e up a tad...

Only the atmos speakers are ran from the x4400h.

I know everyone's trims will be different.. guess I just want to know if these tend to need a higher trim than the rest for people who have them. Ceiling is like 6' 6" so it's not like these are far away.
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What trim levels are peoples avr using for the rsl c34e speakers? Mine are set to +2ish while all the other speakers are way on the negative like -4.5 and -7. And I still think I should bump the c34e up a tad...

Only the atmos speakers are ran from the x4400h.

I know everyone's trims will be different.. guess I just want to know if these tend to need a higher trim than the rest for people who have them. Ceiling is like 6' 6" so it's not like these are far away.
Audyssey Multeq XT32 had my c34es installed as Top front and Top rear at -0.5 while the LCR and surrounds were in the -7.0 to -8.5 range. I ended up bumping them up to +1.5.

Ceiling is 8ft.
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Audyssey Multeq XT32 had my c34es installed as Top front and Top rear at -0.5 while the LCR and surrounds were in the -7.0 to -8.5 range. I ended up bumping them up to +1.5.

Ceiling is 8ft.

Thanks so not really that much different than mine. Alright. Thanks for the info!!
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Anybody have any experience on the W26 in-wall speakers? Looking to use them for surround/rear duty, along with EMPTek (RBH) Impression R55Ti/R56Ci in the front, and 2x C34E Atmos in-ceiling speakers (for a 7.1.2 setup).

Price on the W26 in-walls seem fairly inexpensive, but wondering if it's worth it to spend a bit more on other in-wall speakers like the KEF Ci160QS. Their C34E seem to get great reviews, which is what led me to look at the W26, but can't really find any reviews online.

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RSL or SVS

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I'm thinking about upgrading my main 5 DefTech speakers. I initially wanted to get SVS Prime Center, Bookshelfs and Satellites, but many people here are steering me towards RSL which I have heard nothing about prior to starting a discussion here.

Now, I'm not in the US, so here's the deal - A set of four CG3s with one CG23, international shipping and customs fees will cost me around $100 less than buying Prime Center, Bookshelfs and Sats from a local dealer with a discount, and if I replace two CG3 for FR/FL with two CG23s it's going to be almost equal, so price is not a major factor here.

Have any of you had experience with both RSL and SVS and if so can you share your opinions to help me make the right decision? Also, would you go CG3 or CG23 for FL/FR?

P.S.: My system components description is in my signature, if you need that and my room is 19.1'x9.5'x8.2' (1487 cubic feet) with HT occupying around 2/3s of the space.
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Screen: LG OLED77C9 AVR: Denon X4400H, External amps: Emotiva XPA-5 Gen3/A-500, Center: SVS Ultra Center, Fronts: SVS Ultra Bookshelfs, Surrounds: SVS Prime Bookshelfs, Surround backs: SVS Ultra Surrounds, Sub: Dual SVS PB-3000s, Heights: 4xCambridge Audio Minx 22, 4K Blu-Ray Player: Sony X700, Media player: Nvidia Shield

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I would a say the the RSL's are better than the SVS Primes. SVS' Ultra line is another story. Using CG23's for the fronts and center and 2 CG3's for the surrounds is generally what most people seem to be using and that is what I would use. I would check the crossover settings on your subs to make sure they can be crossed at 100hz or even 120hz. Otherwise you will gave a gap in the low extension of the RSL's and the upper extension of the sub. If your subs can't reach 100 hz then the Primes may be the better option.
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I would a say the the RSL's are better than the SVS Primes. SVS' Ultra line is another story. Using CG23's for the fronts and center and 2 CG3's for the surrounds is generally what most people seem to be using and that is what I would use. I would check the crossover settings on your subs to make sure they can be crossed at 100hz or even 120hz. Otherwise you will gave a gap in the low extension of the RSL's and the upper extension of the sub. If your subs can't reach 100 hz then the Primes may be the better option.
My SB-3000 is rated at 18-270Hz ± 3 dB and the crossover panel on the sub shows 140Hz and LFE a bit after.

Have you had a chance to listen to both Primes and CG23/3s?

My system: 7.2.4
Screen: LG OLED77C9 AVR: Denon X4400H, External amps: Emotiva XPA-5 Gen3/A-500, Center: SVS Ultra Center, Fronts: SVS Ultra Bookshelfs, Surrounds: SVS Prime Bookshelfs, Surround backs: SVS Ultra Surrounds, Sub: Dual SVS PB-3000s, Heights: 4xCambridge Audio Minx 22, 4K Blu-Ray Player: Sony X700, Media player: Nvidia Shield
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