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At least please tell me you have something very enjoyable to listen to currently... If you are system-less for this long while you are evaluating your choices, I feel bad for you. I'd go crazy.
I am not system-less. I currently have a quite enjoyable system (especially for movies but music performance could be better) that could blow my ear drums out if need be as the speakers are quite large for the room size they are in.

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I've gone through this forum quite a bit, but still confused about what makes this speaker special...

Could someone explain why this speaker is better or why you would pick this speaker over the Revel Ultima Studio/Salon's vs the JBL Everest vs the JBL 4367?

Or really any speaker from another manufacturer?

From what I've gathered is its phenomenal off axis response and even directivity across the freq. spectrum, which is what we predominantly hear in a room.

Presumably all of the Revel/Harmon/JBL speakers focus on this, so not sure why this speaker is so well regarded relative to the other JBL speakers.

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I've gone through this forum quite a bit, but still confused about why makes this speaker special...

Could someone explain why this speaker is better or why you would pick this speaker over the Revel Ultima Studio/Salon's vs the JBL Everest vs the JBL 4367?
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I've gone through this forum quite a bit, but still confused about why makes this speaker special...

Could someone explain why this speaker is better or why you would pick this speaker over the Revel Ultima Studio/Salon's vs the JBL Everest vs the JBL 4367?
What makes the M2 special (IMO) is its combination of outstanding neutrality, active crossovers, and big clean SPL output capability. The other speakers you listed don't check all those boxes.

But they're all great speakers. The Salon2 and Everest are more expensive, with the Everest priced and targeted most of all to the big pocket audiophile. They're more about owner prestige than SQ IMO and I'm not sure the Everest is even a better speaker than the M2 despite its cost. The M2 has more clean SPL capability than the Salon2 if that matters to you, although the Salon2 likely has adequate clean output in most typical residential room sizes and likely edge out the M2 in listening preference for many. The M2 is active and requires specific electronics vs. the 4367 which is passive. Objectively, the M2 measures a little better than the 4367, but the 4367 has more limited vertical dispersion which some may prefer. I think these two speakers are likely VERY similar in SQ overall, although I haven't heard the 4367's.

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I've heard the 4367 and purchased the M2's after hearing them. Personally, IMO, there is no comparison between the two. I now use the M2's with a BSS BLU 50 and (2) Hypex NC502MP amps. My Crown DCi 4 1250N is for sale for a steal and it's loaded with the M2 tuning files and I'm even including the interconnect cables and power cord with 15A plug ready to go.
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I've heard the 4367 and purchased the M2's after hearing them. Personally, IMO, there is no comparison between the two. I now use the M2's with a BSS BLU 50 and (2) Hypex NC502MP amps. My Crown DCi 4 1250N is for sale for a steal and it's loaded with the M2 tuning files and I'm even including the interconnect cables and power cord with 15A plug ready to go.
I'm curious, what is the difference between them in your opinion?
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I'm curious, what is the difference between them in your opinion?
Been a couple of years at this point. I clearly remember listening to the 4367's of a kind member here. Then when I went to Harman and heard the M2's there was no comparison of detail and dynamics. The Harman M2 room is far from ideal in many ways too. The M2 polar plots just tell the story. On top of that though, I've listened to the S2's several times and don't get the draw to them either so take it all with a grain of salt. I'm a huge fan of compression driver with a proper CD Waveguide.
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I'm a huge fan of compression driver with a proper CD Waveguide.

Few and far between.....
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From the looks of it, someone with a ton of money bought most of these speakers you listed plus SCL-3's, auditioned them all, and stayed with the Everest and sold/is selling everything else.

There must be something to the Everest after all?
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There must be something to the Everest after all?
Maybe. I would like to see Everest spins, but I don't think that is ever going to happen. Measurements don't matter to potential Everest clientele.
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Few and far between.....
For sure, I've had GedLee Abbeys, JBL M2 and JBL 708P so I'd say I've had them.
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I've heard the 4367 and purchased the M2's after hearing them. Personally, IMO, there is no comparison between the two. I now use the M2's with a BSS BLU 50 and (2) Hypex NC502MP amps. My Crown DCi 4 1250N is for sale for a steal and it's loaded with the M2 tuning files and I'm even including the interconnect cables and power cord with 15A plug ready to go.
Do you experience any audible difference (except for the fan-noise ) between the DCi and the Hypex amp?

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Do you experience any audible difference (except for the fan-noise ) between the DCi and the Hypex amp?
My subjective side says yes, the engineer in me says that I wouldn't be able to pick out the Hypex in a blind test.
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My subjective side says yes, the engineer in me says that I wouldn't be able to pick out the Hypex in a blind test.
Haha, I'm an engineer myself but the audiophile devil in me tries to make me buy another amp

What differences do you subjectively hear between the two?

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Haha, I'm an engineer myself but the audiophile devil in me tries to make me buy another amp

What differences do you subjectively hear between the two?
If you want to buy another Crown, see mine.

You asked! As for subjective comparison, I do feel the Hypex is actually "warmer" with more micro detail. It's IMO a better presentation with a much lower noise floor. I couldn't be happier with this combo. I run the dac direct to the BSS which of course goes to the amps.
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If you want to buy another Crown, see mine.

You asked! As for subjective comparison, I do feel the Hypex is actually "warmer" with more micro detail. It's IMO a better presentation with a much lower noise floor. I couldn't be happier with this combo. I run the dac direct to the BSS which of course goes to the amps.
Noise floor is easily measurable though - so that could make the engineer in me happy.

Are you going analog into the BSS and using it's internal AD/DA? I did read somewhere that the A/D part is the weak link in the BSS but I don't know if this is audiophile rumours or not. I got a DBX TR1616 cheap which then does the A/D to D/A in my system digitally connected to the BSS to do M2 crossover. Specs are better but don't know if it's audible or not.

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Noise floor is easily measurable though - so that could make the engineer in me happy.

Are you going analog into the BSS and using it's internal AD/DA? I did read somewhere that the A/D part is the weak link in the BSS but I don't know if this is audiophile rumours or not. I got a DBX TR1616 cheap which then does the A/D to D/A in my system digitally connected to the BSS to do M2 crossover. Specs are better but don't know if it's audible or not.
Take a look at the Hypex NC502MP and the Crown DCi 4 1250 specs and let me know.

Yes, analog into the BSS BLU 50 and use its internal conversion. If I were to do anything I'd use Audiolense but I'll only use that for subwoofer integration and load the convolution filter into Roon. The M2's sound just fine to me using the BSS and quite frankly I enjoy pressing play and listening and less tinkering.
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Is the signal path in dci analog series pure analog?

Got a nice price on 2x DCi 4/1250
Going to use it with bss Blu 160 analog in/out and 3xJbl M2.

Little worried that I made the wrong choice and not got the N version and used Blu link from my Blu 160....

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You'll be fine. Of course it's better to remain in the digital domain as as much as possible which is the advantage of a DSP amp like the DCI-N but it's not uncommon to use the BSS Blu especially for clients that want to keep their own amps. JBL had a demo a couple of years ago showing the M2 with Mark Levinson amps + BSS Blu. Sounded great.

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Is the signal path in dci analog series pure analog?

Got a nice price on 2x DCi 4/1250
Going to use it with bss Blu 160 analog in/out and 3xJbl M2.

Little worried that I made the wrong choice and not got the N version and used Blu link from my Blu 160....

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Hope you're right!!


Somebody know if it is possible to use Audio Architect instead of London Architect (LA) with M2 and Bss dsp?

The M2 files on jbl website only support LA.
I want to use the new program to control it with my Ipad
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You'll be fine. Of course it's better to remain in the digital domain as as much as possible which is the advantage of a DSP amp like the DCI-N but it's not uncommon to use the BSS Blu especially for clients that want to keep their own amps. JBL had a demo a couple of years ago showing the M2 with Mark Levinson amps + BSS Blu. Sounded great.
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Not possible audio Architect does not support macros.

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Ok. Have you spoken to Jbl about it?
It cannot be just us who want that to work.
LA is a bit old these days and M2 are still for sale. So I think support for AA should be provided by JBL

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I`m using BSS Blu-USB as a source its a New toy from BSS

It has USB input and with BLU Link goes DA to Bss blu-50, so no need for DA-AD,

It`s cheap and can be used as BLU Link source to N versions of Crown Dci amps

It works better than any other way I tried
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My stereo setup consists of M2, one JBL Sub 18, and three Crown ITech 5000. I wish to expand this into a multi channel arrangement to take advantage of my sizable collection of 5 channel SACD. I am mainly interested in getting more musical involvement from two additional real channels and don’t see a need for a center channel since movie watching will not be involved, only music. I also would not access the discrete sub channel. I would plan to use a 7 channel Parasound pre amp driving the 3 Crowns of my current setup, but also driving 2 JBL 708P for the rear channels. Does this make any sense?

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does the M2 have a mini desktop version?

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does the M2 have a mini desktop version?
Sort of. My desktop speakers: LSR 305

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Yes.


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My stereo setup consists of M2, one JBL Sub 18, and three Crown ITech 5000. I wish to expand this into a multi channel arrangement to take advantage of my sizable collection of 5 channel SACD. I am mainly interested in getting more musical involvement from two additional real channels and don’t see a need for a center channel since movie watching will not be involved, only music.
Good idea. Multichannel hi-res music recordings are often quite rewarding. You will be fine without a center speaker.

Do you currently use the Sub 18 with the M2s in a bass managed setup? Or how?

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I do not understand this. The LFE channel is sometimes important in 5.1 music recordings (but yes, sometimes it is not used at all). I just see no point in discarding it. What's the reason?

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The 708's ought to work swell, especially if well matched (EQ-wise) with the M2s.

The Parasound ought to handle the downmixing to phantom center nicely for you, as well as the bass management, whether you configure the system with or without a subwoofer, and whether you configure all speakers as large or not. Of course all this assumes feeding the Parasound with a digital signal. If that's not your plan, these duties will shift to the SACD player (Oppo??).

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Also available in a powered version as the LSR 705P. And, if you want something bigger (8" woofer instead of 5") look at the LSR 708i or LSR 708P.
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Does JBL use a separate DSP programing etc to set them up?

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