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I'm in the market for a theater chair. Would you recommend what you got?
I just bought new chairs. The model I purchased are the Octane Edge XL800. I really like them because they have a low headrest, which doesn't block my ears. I don't like high backed chairs because it detracts from multi-channel audio and movie surround content. I always scratch my head when I see theaters with massive, plush chairs with headrests that come above ear level. Great for naps, but not so good for all the thousands of dollars spent on surround sound gear that is blocked by the chair. I am 6'0 and the chair fits me comfortably. The foot rest is the proper length for my feet. A lot of chairs I tried had foot rests that came up too high on the calf for my liking.
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That's a lot of woofer. Looks awesome. Envious of that M2 center.
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@Molton_labe : How are you planning to setup bass management with the M2s and various subs? Looks great by the way

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@Molton_labe : How are you planning to setup bass management with the M2s and various subs? Looks great by the way

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That's a lot of woofer. Looks awesome. Envious of that M2 center.
The theater is above a three car garage. Being a suspended floor, things can get ridiculously violent where the house feels like it is coming apart. It never gets old to me. The purest wouldn't approve, but who cares - movies are a lot of fun.
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Manual distance and PEQ via a MiniDSP 2x4 via REW followed by Audyssey below Schroeder. Eventually, I would like to go back to Dirac Live, but I am going to wait a year or two to wait for the Monoprice or Emotiva processors to mature. I went back to the Marantz 8805 for the time being.
I was talking about bass managent.. I.e. do you send some of the bass from M2 to subs or will you play the M2s fullrange? And will the 24" and 18" receive the same signal or do you let the 24" handle below a certain frequency?

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I was talking about bass managent.. I.e. do you send some of the bass from M2 to subs or will you play the M2s fullrange? And will the 24" and 18" receive the same signal or do you let the 24" handle below a certain frequency?
I usually cross between 60hz and 80hz depending on measurements. I don't run any of my speakers full range. I run a high pass filter on the 18's @ 20hz since they can't handle the output of the low stuff like the 24s can.

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Manual distance and PEQ via a MiniDSP 2x4 via REW followed by Audyssey below Schroeder. Eventually, I would like to go back to Dirac Live, but I am going to wait a year or two to wait for the Monoprice or Emotiva processors to mature. I went back to the Marantz 8805 for the time being.

The theater is above a three car garage. Being a suspended floor, things can get ridiculously violent where the house feels like it is coming apart. It never gets old to me. The purist wouldn't approve, but who cares - movies are a lot of fun.
I feel you. With two Skhorns and 4 18" LMS ultras, I'm not EQ'ing flat.

Unfortunately I'm on a slab, so I filter out the sub 20 stuff to save my house/walls.

Still, stadium bass is way more fun than the "purest" approach.
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I am crossing my M2s at around 80 Hz.
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I feel you. With two Skhorns and 4 18" LMS ultras, I'm not EQ'ing flat.

Unfortunately I'm on a slab, so I filter out the sub 20 stuff to save my house/walls.

Still, stadium bass is way more fun than the "purest" approach.
Accurate of above Schroeder, let all hell break loose below it is how I like it
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Anyone using any B&C 18TBW100 or similar for their ULF? I really thought I'd just build the Ultimax 18" but have thought about going the B&C or similar route. I'll likely build 3 ported 2 cu ft tuned to 21Hz using the Dayton RSS315HO*4 12" so the 18" would be for ULF using a high quality driver with as least amount of distortion possible.

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Anyone using any B&C 18TBW100 or similar for their ULF? I really thought I'd just build the Ultimax 18" but have thought about going the B&C or similar route. I'll likely build 3 ported 2 cu ft tuned to 21Hz using the Dayton RSS315HO*4 12" so the 18" would be for ULF using a high quality driver with as least amount of distortion possible.
If only going for very bottom end supplementation say below 30hz or whatever, I'd stick with the long throw style subs. The HST-18 from SI is an excellently valued monster that does amazing for this specific task.
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If only going for very bottom end supplementation say below 30hz or whatever, I'd stick with the long throw style subs. The HST-18 from SI is an excellently valued monster that does amazing for this specific task.
Do you have any idea if he's planning on some new measurements by data-bass.com? Also, the high XMax isn't really required for 2 ch audio only.

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Do you have any idea if he's planning on some new measurements by data-bass.com? Also, the high XMax isn't really required for 2 ch audio only.
No clue on the first part. On the second, you are certainly correct but I was assuming you were going to do the 15's as your main bass system for 2 channel or is this an either/or scenario?

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No clue on the first part. On the second, you are certainly correct but I was assuming you were going to do the 15's as your main bass system for 2 channel or is this an either/or scenario?
Not sure what you mean exactly. I'll have (3) 12's and (1) 18" or 15" subwoofer for ULF.

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Not sure what you mean exactly. I'll have (3) 12's and (1) 18" or 15" subwoofer for ULF.
So explain the plain off attack. Use the 3 12's for what range of bass, then use the 18 or 15 for what range? I know it will vary somewhat once in-room, but at least your objectives to start with will help. Making two different sub systems play nicely together is a real bear almost 100% of the time. You've then got three legs of the system to get in phase, and playing nicely and it's tough to make it work believe me. I've been doing it now for almost two years. It has also taken me two years to realize that simply running the skhorn for all but the crazy EDM stuff is all I need and sounds better than letting a sealed sub of any type handle the lowest register that the skhorn can still get enough output on to sound fine.

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So explain the plain off attack. Use the 3 12's for what range of bass, then use the 18 or 15 for what range? I know it will vary somewhat once in-room, but at least your objectives to start with will help.
12" Flanking subs: Low-pass = 100Hz 2nd order, High-pass 20Hz 4th order

18" Distributed multisub(s): Low-pass = 60Hz 4th order, High-pass 20Hz 4th order


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Making two different sub systems play nicely together is a real bear almost 100% of the time. You've then got three legs of the system to get in phase, and playing nicely and it's tough to make it work believe me.
I've done it before with my Geddes system, it's not hard for me; just time!

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So explain the plain off attack. Use the 3 12's for what range of bass, then use the 18 or 15 for what range? I know it will vary somewhat once in-room, but at least your objectives to start with will help. Making two different sub systems play nicely together is a real bear almost 100% of the time. You've then got three legs of the system to get in phase, and playing nicely and it's tough to make it work believe me. I've been doing it now for almost two years. It has also taken me two years to realize that simply running the skhorn for all but the crazy EDM stuff is all I need and sounds better than letting a sealed sub of any type handle the lowest register that the skhorn can still get enough output on to sound fine.
Hahaha I still haven't given up!

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12" Flanking subs: Low-pass = 100Hz 2nd order, High-pass 20Hz 4th order

18" Distributed multisub(s): Low-pass = 60Hz 4th order, High-pass 20Hz 4th order



I've done it before with my Geddes system, it's not hard for me; just time!
Where do you cross your M2s then?

I ended up getting the best result in my room when I actually include the M2s bass response when doing bass management. So all my bass below 80hz is redirected to three SUB18s and to each M2 speaker meaning that all M2s behind the screen play the same bass below 80hz. This is by far the best bass I've had in my room due to the amount of distributed drivers (and the 15"'s in the M2s have incredible slam and articulation).

It does require a DSP like BSS to do this though.

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Where do you cross your M2s then?
I don't, run them full range and blend the subs to the mains.
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Where do you cross your M2s then?



I ended up getting the best result in my room when I actually include the M2s bass response when doing bass management. So all my bass below 80hz is redirected to three SUB18s and to each M2 speaker meaning that all M2s behind the screen play the same bass below 80hz. This is by far the best bass I've had in my room due to the amount of distributed drivers (and the 15"'s in the M2s have incredible slam and articulation).



It does require a DSP like BSS to do this though.
Do you even mix the LFE channel to the M2s?

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Do you even mix the LFE channel to the M2s?

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Yes all bass is reproduced exactly the same way No matter if the bass is coming from center, L/R or LFE. I have configured it so the M2s does not contribute below 40hz though.

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I am excited to be a new owner of 3 JBL m2's! Can someone please confirm if what I was told by emotiva is correct about biamping?

Is it possible to use a Y splitter from the crown amp to the preamp, so I only have to use 1 channel on the preamp, as opposed to 2 channels for each speaker? I would bi amplify utilizing crown 4 | 1250n amps.

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I am excited to be a new owner of 3 JBL m2's! Can someone please confirm if what I was told by emotiva is correct about biamping?

Is it possible to use a Y splitter from the crown amp to the preamp, so I only have to use 1 channel on the preamp, as opposed to 2 channels for each speaker? I would bi amplify utilizing crown 4 | 1250n amps.

Thanks for any input everyone.
Congrats!

You'll take one line level channel from the prepro for each M2, then the Crown amp will split the signal to the woofer and CD - one amp channel for each.
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By the way, if anyone in the EU is interested in a DCi2|600N that will power a single M2 let me know. I ended up using a BSS unit so the amp was only ever used for a day or two from new.
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Does anyone know anything about the crown DCi 4/1250 amps vs CDi 4/1200 for the M2's? I'm trying to decide on these vs the SDA 4/600.

I have a SDP-75 so no need for the DSP files so other amps are possible as well.

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@Molon_Labe you ever get everything straightened out and get the system up and running?
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Not yet. Was planning to finish it the past weekend but had to fly out to California for a work emergency. Taking off Thur and Friday, so it should be live this holiday weekend. You gonna be around? If I have issues with setting up the amps, I would like to have "phone a friend" lifeline.
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Not yet. Was planning to finish it the past weekend but had to fly out to California for a work emergency. Taking off Thur and Friday, so it should be live this holiday weekend. You gonna be around? If I have issues with setting up the amps, I would like to have "phone a friend" lifeline.
Yeah, I'll be around. I'll do my best support center Indian accent
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