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A Trinnov! That's my dream processor. I have to get one when my theater is done. Might have to sell my car to get it.
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Small world. My friend has been bugging me to buy my old Dodge 12v Cummins truck. This truck was my baby that I restored, but I just didn't like driving it anymore as I get older since it is a 5 speed and lacks about every creature comfort of modern vehicles. It had been sitting for over a year since buying a newer Chevy Duramax. I sold it to him today and ordered the Trinnov. I hated to see it go, but the longer it sat the more things would go wrong with it. I hate my ole girl is gone, but I now own a Trinnov. My wife is going to kill me
Lol very nice! If you weren't using it, I'd say it was a good move. Maybe she won't notice the new processor, get it in and installed and see if she notices a difference

The processor is one of the things I can't wait to change out. I currently have an AVM60 which I know a lot of people like on here, but I was just never crazy about it. Maybe I got a wacky unit, I don't know.
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I had the AVM60 and found it to be one of the biggest let downs thus far. I sold it after a couple of months. I bought the AVM based on the rave reviews, but I was never a fan and prefered ARC off. Maybe the new Genesis is the ticket - dont know. It wasn't bad per say, but I was expecting more, a lot more based on the hype it was receiving. I have bounced around almost all the current RCs on the market and felt they were all lacking "something". I haven't found a negative review of the Trinnov yet, so I figured it was now or never. I sure hope it lives up to the press.
Me and you have the same opinion on the AVM60. I prefer ARC off as well, but not because of the low frequencies, but because of the mids and highs that it supposedly doesn't effect. I have it set to only correct up to 280hz, yet it seems to impact all frequencies when on, and also seems like dynamics take a slight hit as well. I thought it was only me that thought this.

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Me and you have the same opinion on the AVM60. I prefer ARC off as well, but not because of the low frequencies, but because of the mids and highs that it supposedly doesn't effect. I have it set to only correct up to 280hz, yet it seems to impact all frequencies when on, and also seems like dynamics take a slight hit as well. I thought it was only me that thought this.

Let me know what you think of the Trinnov when you get it, looking forward to the comparison.
You have the same impression of Genesis?
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I had the AVM60 and found it to be one of the biggest let downs thus far. I sold it after a couple of months. I bought the AVM based on the rave reviews, but I was never a fan and prefered ARC off. Maybe the new Genesis is the ticket - dont know. It wasn't bad per say, but I was expecting more, a lot more based on the hype it was receiving. I have bounced around almost all the current RCs on the market and felt they were all lacking "something". I haven't found a negative review of the Trinnov yet, so I figured it was now or never. I sure hope it lives up to the press.
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Me and you have the same opinion on the AVM60. I prefer ARC off as well, but not because of the low frequencies, but because of the mids and highs that it supposedly doesn't effect. I have it set to only correct up to 280hz, yet it seems to impact all frequencies when on, and also seems like dynamics take a slight hit as well. I thought it was only me that thought this.

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You have the same impression of Genesis?
Congrats on the new Trinnov!

I have the AVM60, which has been great in my system for the last 3.5 years.

After going through the Genesis calibration last month, I feel like I have a new system.
I have been SUPER impressed with what Genesis does to my system. My 4429's sound like a new speaker for sure.
The intrigue of Dirac is still there and I can easily see myself jumping into something with it when it is time for a new processor, but for now I am very happy with my AVM60.
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Congrats on the new Trinnov!

I have the AVM60, which has been great in my system for the last 3.5 years.

After going through the Genesis calibration last month, I feel like I have a new system.
I have been SUPER impressed with what Genesis does to my system. My 4429's sound like a new speaker for sure.
The intrigue of Dirac is still there and I can easily see myself jumping into something with it when it is time for a new processor, but for now I am very happy with my AVM60.
Agreed. Genesis is a huge step up.
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You have the same impression of Genesis?
Being honest, I don't even know what Genesis is lol. I've been out of the loop for a while, so I have some catching up to do. I'm assuming it's a new/updated version of ARC?

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That appears to be the consensus and great news. What changed exactly?
Same question
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That appears to be the consensus and great news. What changed exactly?
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Being honest, I don't even know what Genesis is lol. I've been out of the loop for a while, so I have some catching up to do. I'm assuming it's a new/updated version of ARC?



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Sounds fantastic. No loss of dynamics(micro or macro) and clean tight bass. Not sure what they changed under the hood, but it's simply fantastic. It's like there's no RC, just better sound, if that makes any sense.
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Sounds fantastic. No loss of dynamics(micro or macro) and clean tight bass. Not sure what they changed under the hood, but it's simply fantastic. It's like there's no RC, just better sound, if that makes any sense.
Sounds exactly like what I expected ARC to be originally. I'll definitely try it out.
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I was just looking at a Trinnov, very interested to hear (read) your impressions. There is a thread in the "$20k" forum here on them. I was also considering the Altitude 16 since I don't plan on Atmos etc. so don't really need the upgradability (no space, and any home from here on is likely to be smaller, not bigger). Despite an almost complete lack of specs Trinnov seems to been more highly regarded than Dataset for whatever reason. I've also considered the SDP75 (though I keep forgetting about it; John reminded me again last night). But @$#@ they are expensive! Can't sell my Jeep, still need it...
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Sounds exactly like what I expected ARC to be originally. I'll definitely try it out.
I preferred ARC off, particularly for 2 channel. But I also preferred it off for Dirac and Audyssey. Not so for Genesis.
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Maybe not, the Trinnov will take up a lot less space, and if you hide your rack, she never needs to be reminded it's there!
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#1 1x DCi 8|600N for three M2's?

#2 3x DCi 2|600N for thee M2's?



Just think option one saves space , can also power a pair of surrounds and has less fans?

Which option? and why.

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#2 3x DCi 2|600N for thee M2's?



Just think option one saves space , can also power a pair of surrounds and has less fans?

Which option? and why.
I personally use the DCI/N 600x2 for each M2. I prefer each speaker have their own dedicated amp/powersupply. Is it neccesaery? No but it's my personal preference. They are essentially mono blocks for my system. If cost, space and fan noise are factors, the 8 channel may make more sense.
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how about we do some thread bumping?

I just purchased 3x JBL M2's (brand new)

@Molon_Labe thanks for the help and tips!
@adidino thanks for making this happen!

now its time to think of surround/atmos speakers hmm..

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#1 1x DCi 8|600N for three M2's?

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Just think option one saves space , can also power a pair of surrounds and has less fans?

Which option? and why.
3 DCi 2|600

If you power all your mains with one amp and ever have an amp problem, your whole system will be down. If you have three you can use two to run a phantom center temporarily.
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Does anyone know or have someone to call to find out what size and voltage the fans are in the DCIn amps?
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If a speaker has a horn type tweeter then they are not for me IO have been threw many speakers with horn tweeter and it got to the point wear it hurt my ears to listen to them. I now have Ascend Sierra Tower's and a horizon center can listen all day with no issues.
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If a speaker has a horn type tweeter then they are not for me IO have been threw many speakers with horn tweeter and it got to the point wear it hurt my ears to listen to them. I now have Ascend Sierra Tower's and a horizon center can listen all day with no issues.
Horn type tweeter? I see......

Since you can listen all day pain free, then I would suggest that you get right back to it.
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If a speaker has a horn type tweeter then they are not for me IO have been threw many speakers with horn tweeter and it got to the point wear it hurt my ears to listen to them. I now have Ascend Sierra Tower's and a horizon center can listen all day with no issues.

Everyone who has heard the JBL M2 and LSR 7 series speakers has stated the compression drivers and horn waveguides do not sound like any other CD/horn they have ever heard. You should make an effort to listen to them to hear the difference for yourself.
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If a speaker has a horn type tweeter then they are not for me IO have been threw many speakers with horn tweeter and it got to the point wear it hurt my ears to listen to them. I now have Ascend Sierra Tower's and a horizon center can listen all day with no issues.
Is this a reply to a previous post? Or is it just a statement about your previous speaker impressions which you are using to make assumptions about how the M2 speakers sound?

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If a speaker has a horn type tweeter then they are not for me IO have been threw many speakers with horn tweeter and it got to the point wear it hurt my ears to listen to them. I now have Ascend Sierra Tower's and a horizon center can listen all day with no issues.
Surprised the professional mixers and sound stages haven't caught on to those soft dome tweeters yet and are still using crappy "horn" tweeters

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If a speaker has a horn type tweeter then they are not for me IO have been threw many speakers with horn tweeter and it got to the point wear it hurt my ears to listen to them. I now have Ascend Sierra Tower's and a horizon center can listen all day with no issues.
Nice generalization, though inaccurate for most of us. There are great and bad horn speakers, just like there are great and bad conventional speakers, planar speakers, etc.

I hope you did not get the ribbon tweeter in your towers as ribbon tweeters have poor vertical dispersion, more limited output capability, and tend to "beam" more than conventional dome or horn tweeters. Been "threw" many of them... You might like the M2s if you listened to them instead of jumping in with an out-of-context unsupported denigration of all horn speakers.

Fortunately, the other posters in this thread can listen to their M2's all day without hurting their ears.

A well-designed horn tweeter doesn't really sound any different than a well-designed conventional tweeter to me, typically just takes less power and distorts less for the same SPL. I lot of older speakers had an upper midrange peak that would exacerbate the horn but that is a flaw in the overall speaker design.

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