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Got it - but one thing at a time, since that would be a relatively radical step compared to my current system, which evolved once I bought the Altitude from the 5.1 system I'd had before then. My room's 20x15x9 (20' length, 15' width) with one row of three seats. Would the M2 be overkill compared to the 708 or even the 705 in a bass managed system with four subs? My tastes are roughly 50/50 movies vs. music BTW, and aside for listening tests I more often than not upmix.my two-channel content with DSU or Neutral:X.


I'm aware from some of the posts that the 708 and M2 are more similar than different, but the M2 has higher SPL capability. But at the end of the day, I'm curious how an active two-way monitor pair of mains would sound compared to my existing 5-way transitional array with the T2s as a starting point. If I find I prefer the JBLs, then my work's cut out for me.

Of course, if I went full JBL, I might as well look into the complete Synthesis route that you mentioned, and trade out my four HSU ULS-15 subs too for JBL subs. Depends just how far I want to go in getting a moderate channel count (9.4.4) setup swapped in the interests of going to a reference system that's more removed from the "circle of confusion" .

I might move further comments to the JBL Synthesis or even the 705/708 thread depending on where this goes...
Got it

I have a space that's 15.5' wide x 22' deep, and am running 3 LSR708is across the front paired with two JBL S2S-EX subs in the front, and two JBL HTPS400 subs in the back (four subs total). I can hit pretty astonishing volume levels with no audible signs of strain.

The M2s to me sound a bit more refined, especially on the top end, but to me it's a fairly subtle difference. We have some M2s in our possession right now but have not had time with all these home theater seminars we've been doing to do another side by side comparison. If I had the space (or an acoustically transparent screen), I would upgrade to the M2s. I don't think that the M2s would be overkill; it would be more of a matter of whether or not the M2's additional output / refinement is worth the extra $$$ to you.

I don't disagree with Gooddoc's statement above

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Got it

I have a space that's 15.5' wide x 22' deep, and am running 3 LSR708is across the front paired with two JBL S2S-EX subs in the front, and two JBL HTPS400 subs in the back (four subs total). I can hit pretty astonishing volume levels with no audible signs of strain.

The M2s to me sound a bit more refined, especially on the top end, but to me it's a fairly subtle difference. We have some M2s in our possession right now but have not had time with all these home theater seminars we've been doing to do another side by side comparison. If I had the space (or an acoustically transparent screen), I would upgrade to the M2s. I don't think that the M2s would be overkill; it would be more of a matter of whether or not the M2's additional output / refinement is worth the extra $$$ to you.

I don't disagree with Gooddoc's statement above
I have an AT screen (more accurately, I'll have one installed within the next month), and my room's a lot like yours dimension-wise....we could JUST fit three M2s in front from what I've read of the specs, or I could do what Gooddoc is currently doing with the 708 as a center. Pity I don't live near Gooddoc or in Denver, since I'd love to hear the M2s and 708 in the same room and make a decision about whether the price difference is worth it for the upper frequency refinement. From a cost standpoint, some combination of the 708s and 705s would really be the sweet spot for me if I could work out getting my existing gear sold, but since the M2s are the higher end I would want to see if the difference is worth it (for both music and movies) to justify a different price class.

Anyway this is food for thought. I may be in touch here if this evolves...although the quick thing I could do is get a couple of 708p from Sweetwater and set up a preset on the Altitude with a separate calibration, then compare to the existing PSB Imagine T2s. Sweetwater has a 30-day return policy so it's easily doable.
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Sweetwater makes an exemption in that policy for speakers, among other items. Maybe another prosumer outlet is more liberal?

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Sweetwater makes an exemption in that policy for speakers, among other items. Maybe another prosumer outlet is more liberal?

Ugh...I just saw that at the bottom of their return policy page, so much for that idea. I've worked with them before and done returns, but not quite at that level. I suppose I can always call them and see if they'd make an exception since I'm almost local (Ft. Wayne isn't THAT far from Chicago). BTW they do sell an individual speaker M2 system at half the price of a two-channel. Maybe if I go this far the 708p is where I might start, since this is essentially a thought experiment right now until I get something in-room. Wish I could hear the 708 and M2 in the same place though, which is where an AXPONA comes in...

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It always used to be that 7 and M series speakers were only sold as part of a system, and that a system designer needed to be on staff to even sell them. With the 708P, much of the complicated setup is removed from the equation, so that might have changed.

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Ugh...I just saw that at the bottom of their return policy page, so much for that idea. I've worked with them before and done returns, but not quite at that level. I suppose I can always call them and see if they'd make an exception since I'm almost local (Ft. Wayne isn't THAT far from Chicago). BTW they do sell an individual speaker M2 system at half the price of a two-channel. Maybe if I go this far the 708p is where I might start, since this is essentially a thought experiment right now until I get something in-room. Wish I could hear the 708 and M2 in the same place though, which is where an AXPONA comes in...
A plane ticket to Denver or NJ is a small expense compared to the expense of the system you're contemplating. Just saying.

The other option are the 4367's which carry a very strong recommendation by @beastaudio . A ticket to North Carolina a good deal in the big picture too. Just saying.
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Wish I could hear the 708 and M2 in the same place though, which is where an AXPONA comes in...
I wish I could remember where I saw it but I could have sworn Sweetwater has M2s set up in their facility. I'm not sure about the 7 series though.

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A plane ticket to Denver or NJ is a small expense compared to the expense of the system you're contemplating. Just saying.

The other option are the 4367's which carry a very strong recommendation by @beastaudio . A ticket to North Carolina a good deal in the big picture too. Just saying.
And direct! I was surprised by that. ~$300 round trip. Since I am looking at the same thing going up there for Axpona, these prices should be relatively accurate
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I wish I could remember where I saw it but I could have sworn Sweetwater has M2s set up in their facility. I'm not sure about the 7 series though.
Just spoke with a salesperson there. The M2s are special order and they don't have a pair on display. The same for the 708p but they're in stock.

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hello everyone! i'm a jbl owner of the 708i LCR, (2) s2s-ex, (4) 8340a, sda 8300 & 4600. i'm interested in listening to another 708i system to compare it to mine. i feel mine maybe missing some of the midrange frequency. Does anyone in the New England/NYC area know where i can auditioned the jbl 708i in a dedicated room?? what is everyone using for pre/pro with the 708i/M2?? any help will be appreciated.
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hello everyone! i'm a jbl owner of the 708i LCR, (2) s2s-ex, (4) 8340a, sda 8300 & 4600. i'm interested in listening to another 708i system to compare it to mine. i feel mine maybe missing some of the midrange frequency. Does anyone in the New England/NYC area know where i can auditioned the jbl 708i in a dedicated room?? what is everyone using for pre/pro with the 708i/M2?? any help will be appreciated.
I'm in NJ, a little south of NYC, but not a "dedicated" room. I'm currently using an anthem AVM60.

Without measurements it's kind of difficult to troubleshoot. But just thinking of what is the biggest cause of such problems, and I would say it is likely your room and/or a bad calibration if your system is calibrated.
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thanks for the reply! i had a marantz 7702mkii but i wasn't too happy with the sound. it sounded too bright after being calibrated. i sold it and purchased a used mc-12hd. my speakers sound less harsh then before but i miss all the latest codecs like dts x. i will soon sell my mc-12 and maybe buy the av60. Do you think that anthem's calibration is better at correcting "bad" rooms than audyssey?? through the years i've never been satisfied with audyssey's sound. i'm originally from nyc and frequently visit my friends and family. is it possible to listen to your system on one my visits to nyc??
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thanks for the reply! i had a marantz 7702mkii but i wasn't too happy with the sound. it sounded too bright after being calibrated. i sold it and purchased a used mc-12hd. my speakers sound less harsh then before but i miss all the latest codecs like dts x. i will soon sell my mc-12 and maybe buy the av60. Do you think that anthem's calibration is better at correcting "bad" rooms than audyssey?? through the years i've never been satisfied with audyssey's sound. i'm originally from nyc and frequently visit my friends and family. is it possible to listen to your system on one my visits to nyc??
Sure, just PM me when you're coming down and we can try to coordinate.

In my room, I prefer ARC and Dirac to Audyssey.
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Sure, just PM me when you're coming down and we can try to coordinate.

In my room, I prefer ARC and Dirac to Audyssey.
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In my room, I prefer ARC and Dirac to Audyssey.
I'm open as well if interested in listening. I'm in Norther NJ. (about 15 miles outside NYC).
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Just about all of us here are using the Anthem. Audyssey tries to EQ the speaker as well as the room; you can tell ARC to leave the speaker alone and just EQ the room.

I think it might be an issue of the preset tunings not loaded in properly.

708s are fully loaded in at PostWorks in NYC as their main mastering speakers. Not sure they'd let you in for a listen though...
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Just about all of us here are using the Anthem. Audyssey tries to EQ the speaker as well as the room; you can tell ARC to leave the speaker alone and just EQ the room.

I think it might be an issue of the preset tunings not loaded in properly.

708s are fully loaded in at PostWorks in NYC as their main mastering speakers. Not sure they'd let you in for a listen though...
Thanks john! i'm definitely now considering in getting the av60 after all these positives comments. i like that option of letting the speaker sound the way the engineers intended it to sound.
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I'm open as well if interested in listening. I'm in Norther NJ. (about 15 miles outside NYC).
Thanks adidino! i will also definitely pm you when i plan my next trip to the big apple. Which pre/pro are you using with your jbls?
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4 sealed LMS Ultras. One in each corner of the room, but I kinda wish it was 8. Or they were ported low. That may happen in the future.
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I'm following this thread carefully as I'm planning to listen to M2's soon.
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Hello Gooddoc and other owners!

I've been reading the M2 thread and have a few questions that I'd like to ask. My biggest question is regarding amps. I've read somewhere that there might be a firmware update coming that will cut fans off in the I Tech amps. Do you know anything about this? My amp(s) will have to be in my listening room which leads me to the next question. I thought I'd go with the I Tech 4 3500 until I called Crown and they said the DCi 4 1250 would be fine. However, when I read this thread I question whether that power will be enough. My room is the typical room 14' x 25' sitting ~10' away. Any input you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
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I've been reading the M2 thread and have a few questions that I'd like to ask. My biggest question is regarding amps. I've read somewhere that there might be a firmware update coming that will cut fans off in the I Tech amps. Do you know anything about this? My amp(s) will have to be in my listening room which leads me to the next question. I thought I'd go with the I Tech 4 3500 until I called Crown and they said the DCi 4 1250 would be fine. However, when I read this thread I question whether that power will be enough. My room is the typical room 14' x 25' sitting ~10' away. Any input you can provide would be greatly appreciated.
I was told of a potential update on the fans 3 years ago when I bought my M2's. Still haven't seen it, so I wouldn't count on it Is there a room below that you can put the amps in?

Are you only running these in stereo for music, or is a center channel in the future potentially?
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I was told of a potential update on the fans 3 years ago when I bought my M2's. Still haven't seen it, so I wouldn't count on it Is there a room below that you can put the amps in?

Are you only running these in stereo for music, or is a center channel in the future potentially?
No, amps will be in the listening room. At least in this place as I'm renting since my divorce.

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No, amps will be in the listening room. At least in this place as I'm renting since my divorce.

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Are replacing the fans an option with a quieter one? I did this in my Samson amp when I used it for two bandpass subs with my old setup.
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