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here's another +1 for HSU. I'm very happy with my set... 4 HB1s, an HC1, and 2 vtf3 mk 3's.

I don't think any of your choices would be bad. Post a location and someone with one of those brands might be close, and offer a demo... smile.gif

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A good deal could probably be had on a set of Rosenut HC-1s, since they have been on sale for awhile. I think Hsu probably has a glut of them.
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These Speaker decisions are tough! Right now the tally is Ascend at 9 the HSU Speakers at 6 and the Arx at 1 but I must say that I was looking at a few threads and this thread (https://www.avsforum.com/t/1407993/arx-svs-hsu-need-help-with-speaker-selection) makes me want to give Arx another point. Ribbon Tweeters are interesting and the person that picked them liked them quite well. Thread was similar to this one. Arx at 2.

I gotta say its tough for me pick to my lack of experience with the subject. I really only know what I can read and not really what a good system should sound like, But so far it seems like the ascends are really sounding good. The Thread on the Arx makes me think that they would sound similar.

On a Side note I know my Wife likes the volume low at times frown.gif. Which would still not stop me from blasting it on movie night.wink.gif So really I would like something that would sound awesome even at a lower volume.

I can't thank you guys enough for all the Advice! Keep it coming tho I really want to be able to sit back and know I made a good buy with my money.

Keep Those Votes coming!biggrin.gif
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If you place this order through Ascend Acoustics the total for this package is $1596 shipping included.
That's even more incentive to go for it. smile.gif
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Part of the problem in this subjective based decision, it seems to me all of the them are good sounding speakers, all of them are "worth more than they cost".

For those who own/demoed these speakers, i think it would be useful to define the characteristics of all these speakers. For ex:

Low level listening and reference level listening, clarity
dynamics, soundstage, imaging
Brightness
Hometheater vs Music application,
Other, etc.

I think the OP can decide based on those characteristics which one he feels it'll be more to his liking. Counting votes looks like it is just a popularity contest.
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That does make sense. To be honest I think my ratio is 40% HT /30% games/30% music. So really a well rounded system is what I need.
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+10 for the ascend set up
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In in exactly the same boat. Referencing an earlier post, I'd probably be doing about 50/50 movies/music, low-high level listening (but not reference), and I think I value soundstage and clarity among the most important characteristics. Which would be the best setup for my situation?
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OP, is it out of the question to audition both?

If it were me, I would order both, listen to each for a week, and then send back whichever you feel doesn't work for you.

The great and best thing about all the listed ID companies is their 30-day in-home trial policies. It may cost a bit more for return shipping, but the peace of mind and lack of second guessing would be priceless.

This is what I would do.
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OP, is it out of the question to audition both?

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Get a pair of the HSU HB-1s and the CBM-170 SEs (since the CMT-340s would be more expensive to ship back). That would give you a more definitive sense of what would suit you best than anything anyone else can add to this thread.
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Part of the problem in this subjective based decision, it seems to me all of the them are good sounding speakers, all of them are "worth more than they cost".

For those who own/demoed these speakers, i think it would be useful to define the characteristics of all these speakers. . . .

I agree with the first part, which is why the second part is still extremely problematic. Everyone's experience with the different speakers is based in part on their experience with other speakers and their personal listening tastes (which may or may not be influenced by that other speaker experience). When it comes down to it, reading testimonials and reviews can only get one about 80% of the way there in speaker choice.

Best thing to do at this point is follow l0nestar8's suggestion and do an in-home demo. It would be worth the $30 or $40 to ship a pair of speakers back to have that experience. No substitute for listening with your own ears smile.gif
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True, that would be ideal, but it will cost $100+ which will eat into the budget. By far the best way, not the most convenient though!
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True, that would be ideal, but it will cost $100+ which will eat into the budget. By far the best way, not the most convenient though!

The only other alternative is to find people who have good experience with both the HSUs and the Ascends.

I do think your list above is very good:

Low level listening and reference level listening, clarity
dynamics, soundstage, imaging
Brightness
Hometheater vs Music application,
Other, etc.

But it's impossible to take much from a description of either speaker with that without some kind of common reference. For example, clarity is difficult to discuss without comparing it to some other speaker, and then the reader has to be familiar with that speaker.
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I wanted to get the community average on this one so I would like everyone to vote. I just want to get a feel as to what the community as a whole likes out of the 4 sets of speakers that will be listed for a 5.1 home theater in a 20Wx12Lx7H room. Now I am planning on pairing any one of these sets with a VTF3- MK4 so the subwoofer is all set. After pouring over the forums it seems that they are all pretty even, but now we can truly get a feel for what the majority of the community uses or feels is the best for this price range which my budget is right about $1600.

1. HSU Hybrid 3 5.1 Package of the 4 HB-1 MK2, and 1 HC-1 MK2 with the VTF3- MK4 for $1600 Shipped

2. Ascend CBM-170 SE x 4 Surround and a CMT-340 SE Center

3. Ascend (This blows my budget up) CMT-340 SE x4 Surround and CMT-340 SE Center

4. Arx A2c x 4 Surround and 1 Center

After pouring over the threads for speakers in this price range this is what most comes up and all have good reviews. Everyone states these choices are all solid which is awesome so I really can't go wrong. Now it’s just all about finding out what the AVS community uses or feels is the best at this time. biggrin.gif


Either the HSU's or the Arx's. Whatever you do do NOT get the CBM-170SE as 5.1. If you are gonna go with the Ascends, atleast get the 340SE.. I have never heard them personally but I HOPE their soundstage is imporved over the 170SE.

But this would also cost you alot more. So it really comes down to HSU and the Arx's IMHO. Horn tweeters are always better than Soft dome tweeters for 5.1 movie viewing.
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Either the HSU's or the Arx's. Whatever you do do NOT get the CBM-170SE as 5.1. If you are gonna go with the Ascends, atleast get the 340SE.. I have never heard them personally but I HOPE their soundstage is imporved over the 170SE.

But this would also cost you alot more. So it really comes down to HSU and the Arx's IMHO. Horn tweeters are always better than Soft dome tweeters for 5.1 movie viewing.

I don't think Nexus221 has to worry. Doubtful he is planning on putting his right speaker in a bookshelf and placing his center channel back behind his TV like your setup. It is highly likely he will get better soundstage than your setup regardless of what speakers he goes with.
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I don't think Nexus221 has to worry. Doubtful he is planning on putting his right speaker in a bookshelf and placing his center channel back behind his TV like your setup. It is highly likely he will get better soundstage than your setup regardless of what speakers he goes with.

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But this would also cost you alot more. So it really comes down to HSU and the Arx's IMHO. Horn tweeters are always better than Soft dome tweeters for 5.1 movie viewing.

Sorry, are you saying "IMHO it comes down to HSU and Arx" or "IMHO horn tweeters are always better then soft dome tweeters for 5.1 movie viewing" ?
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Horn tweeters are always better than Soft dome tweeters for 5.1 movie viewing.
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Sorry, are you saying "IMHO it comes down to HSU and Arx" or "IMHO horn tweeters are always better then soft dome tweeters for 5.1 movie viewing" ?

Both.
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I think bill can give you a very good advice, his is a acoustic engineer ,there is other factors like tweeters and driver design,cabinet and size of speakers ,room size/ shape and many other factors ,need to be more specific and we can help you better on that.


I cant really said which one is the best that suit you, but we can get very close at your choice, at the end ,everything is all about personal preference.

In a home theater horn are not the only choice for movies.


hdnewbie21 have another excellent point.
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Both.

I think it's safe to say that you've now "officially" proven you know nothing about home audio so you should probably stop posting at this point. rolleyes.gif
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Planar ribbons in the Arx models are fantastic for hometheater and definitely had a larger soundstage than the HSU were capable of in my room. Its really just personal preference and the room.
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I don't think Nexus221 has to worry. Doubtful he is planning on putting his right speaker in a bookshelf and placing his center channel back behind his TV like your setup. It is highly likely he will get better soundstage than your setup regardless of what speakers he goes with.

Regardless behind or front, the set up was the same as the Ascends. It sounded better with the same settings, same location, same calibration and same room.

I am talking about the CBM-170SE's compare to the Hsu HB'1. I come to realize that the first 6 posters are the "small group of people" that goes around telling people Ascend 170SE would be a good choice for front stage 5.1. Then people buy into this and buy it, not auditiong or demoing the Arx and Hsu and they miss out big time. If you only heard the Ascends, ofcourse you would be satisfied with them.They hold their own pretty well compare to the Energy CB-10's. Most members that buy the Ascends most likely only had the chance to go to big retailers, and the big retailers do not carry the Hsu's or Arx's.

Come to think of it, I listened to the B&W's that I think retailed for $750.00 each. It was the highest line of B&W towers available. If you were to put the Sierra 1's w/ NrT's installed, I'd go for the B&W's. This is NOT a biased opinion, B&W was simply damn good when I demoed it. I think they both go about the same price.


Anway, I am getting off point. Simply speaking, Ascends themselves say the CBM-170SE are SORROUND SPEAKERS. Yes, they labeled them as the sorounds. Members like you (Ascend owners/ the small group/weirdo's) midlead people and make them make a bad choice. I do know ignorance is bliss, and this is comparison to if you never heard it, ofcourse you wont be able to tell the difference which are the better speakers.


Hsu HB-1's have a bigger cabinet than the Ascends 170SE. This should tell you logically that Hsu will have more POWER and a bigger soundstage than the Ascends 170SE, not to mention there will be less distortion and higher volume levels.

This is simple physics weirdo's.



Anyway, Ascends LABELED the CBM-170SE as sorrounds. Maybe its time for you to upgrade and demo other speakers, and I actually feel bad that you convinced yourselves into believing 170SE's are good for front stage.

Try the Arx's, then try the Hsu's, you wont go back to using the CBM-170SE as your fronts.



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Besides, Ascends themselves say the CBM-170SE are SORROUND SPEAKERS. Yes, they labeled them as sorounds. Members like you (Ascend owners/ the small group/weirdo's) midlead people and make them make a bad choice. I do know ignorance is bliss, and this is comparison to if you never heard it, ofcourse you wont be able to tell the difference which are the better speakers.


Hsu HB-1's have a bigger cabinet than the Ascends 170SE. This should tell you logically that Hsu will have more POWER and a bigger soundstage than the Ascends 170SE.
The CBM-170SE's are bigger. I gave you a link to the dimensions. You know how to calculate enclosure volume, don't you?

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170specs.html

The CBM-170SE's can be used as a surround speaker, but it isn't specifically a surround speaker...just like the HB-1. Neither is labeled or marketed specifically as a surround speaker. No Ascend or Hsu, or Arx, for that matter is labeled as a surround speaker...but all can be used as one.
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Planar ribbons in the Arx models are fantastic for hometheater and definitely had a larger soundstage than the HSU were capable of in my room. Its really just personal preference and the room.


One of the members here that have helped me tremendously to pick out the best 5.1 speakers mentioned the Arx and the Hsu's. He counted out the Ascends, but when I told him I purchased them, he kinda frowned.

So far all his advice were spot on. VERY knowledgeable guy in home theatre. Anyway, I hope I demo the Arx's one day simply because that particular member told me staright up that I would be happy with either of them.

I am getting a 5.1 system for my personal bedroom soon, maybe in 2 months or so, so this time I will definately demo the Arx's. And hopefully by then the Center channel will be availble.


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The CBM-170SE's are bigger. I gave you a link to the dimensions. You know how to calculate enclosure volume, don't you?

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170specs.html

The CBM-170SE's can be used as a surround speaker, but it isn't specifically a surround speaker...just like the HB-1. Neither is labeled or marketed specifically as a surround speaker. No Ascend or Hsu, or Arx, for that matter is labeled as a surround speaker...but all can be used as one.



Hello CSChang, I mentioned to the salesperson at Ascends of my room size which is really 13 x 14.5 x 9 and he recommended the 340SE over the 170SE as front stage. That should tell you something.

Not to mention all the reviews that have been done by pro's have concluded Ascends to be sorrounds. They go as far as using the header line of, Ascends CBM-170SE sorround speakers review.
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Regardless behind or front, the set up was the same as the Ascends. It sounded better with the same settings, same location, same calibration and same room.

I am talking about the CBM-170SE's compare to the Hsu HB'1. I come to realize that the first 6 posters are the "small group of people" that goes around telling people Ascend 170SE would be a good choice for front stage 5.1. Then people buy into this and buy it, not auditiong or demoing the Arx and Hsu and they miss out big time. If you only heard the Ascends, ofcourse you would be satisfied with them.They hold their own pretty well compare to the Energy CB-10's. Most members that buy the Ascends most likely only had the chance to go to big retailers, and the big retailers do not carry the Hsu's or Arx's.

Come to think of it, I listened to the B&W's that I think retailed for $750.00 each. It was the highest line of B&W towers available. If you were to put the Sierra 1's w/ NrT's installed, I'd go for the B&W's. This is NOT a biased opinion, B&W was simply damn good when I demoed it. I think they both go about the same price.


Anway, I am getting off point. Simply speaking, Ascends themselves say the CBM-170SE are SORROUND SPEAKERS. Yes, they labeled them as the sorounds. Members like you (Ascend owners/ the small group/weirdo's) midlead people and make them make a bad choice. I do know ignorance is bliss, and this is comparison to if you never heard it, ofcourse you wont be able to tell the difference which are the better speakers.


Hsu HB-1's have a bigger cabinet than the Ascends 170SE. This should tell you logically that Hsu will have more POWER and a bigger soundstage than the Ascends 170SE, not to mention there will be less distortion and higher volume levels.

This is simple physics weirdo's.



Anyway, Ascends LABELED the CBM-170SE as sorrounds. Maybe its time for you to upgrade and demo other speakers, and I actually feel bad that you convinced yourselves into believing 170SE's are good for front stage.

Try the Arx's, then try the Hsu's, you wont go back to using the CBM-170SE as your fronts.



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Hello CSChang, I mentioned to the salesperson at Ascends of my room size which is really 13 x 14.5 x 9 and he recommended the 340SE over the 170SE as front stage. That should tell you something.

Not to mention all the reviews that have been done by pro's have concluded Ascends to be sorrounds. They go as far as using the header line of, Ascends CBM-170SE sorround speakers review.
Now you are not just being ignorant, you are making stuff up.

Link us to the reviews that have that headline.
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Hello CSChang, I mentioned to the salesperson at Ascends of my room size which is really 13 x 14.5 x 9 and he recommended the 340SE over the 170SE as front stage. That should tell you something.

Not to mention all the reviews that have been done by pro's have concluded Ascends to be sorrounds. They go as far as using the header line of, Ascends CBM-170SE sorround speakers review.

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HSS HB-1

Enclosure Dimensions 153⁄8” H x 8” W x 8” D
Dimesions with Grill 153⁄8” H x 8” W x 8”5⁄8" D



Ascend CBM-170SE
Dimensions H x W x D** 12" x 9" x 10"
Right...now calculate the volume. The CBM-170SE has more volume.

1080 cubic inches for the CBM-170SE vs 1061 cubic inches for the HB-1.

You know how to do that math...right?
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