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Yeah--I saw that. I'm betting they won't measure up to the modded Pioneers, but I may pick up a pair to make sure.

The Insignia of course can use some type of mod - and for you, they may be more forward than you like.smile.gif

I will throw your modded Pioneer, against the modded Cambridge and the Boston E60

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The Insignia of course can use some type of mod - and for you, they may be more forward than you like.smile.gif

I will throw your modded Pioneer, against the modded Cambridge and the Boston E60


Uh Boy What's the Boston E60?
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Uh Boy What's the Boston E60?

The red line on this chart - use to list for $600 each
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/boston-acoustics-reference-e-series-e70-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

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What are some good preamp/dac/amp/sub to go with these speakers?

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What are some good preamp/dac/amp/sub to go with these speakers?

They won't need anything special. SVS PB/SB1000 seems to be the least expensive sub to get unreservedly positive reviews, as long as your space isn't too big for one. The Dayton SUB1200 holds the crown for the least expensive sub worth buying.
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Can they be wall mounted?

Sure. People stick them on those articulated wall mounts, or even just stick them in macrame plant hangers.
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They won't need anything special. SVS PB/SB1000 seems to be the least expensive sub to get unreservedly positive reviews, as long as your space isn't too big for one. The Dayton SUB1200 holds the crown for the least expensive sub worth buying.
Sure. People stick them on those articulated wall mounts, or even just stick them in macrame plant hangers.

Articulated wall mount?
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Articulated wall mount?

My own terminology. eg. http://www.amazon.com/Pinpoint-AM-40B-Clamping-Bookshelf-Speaker/dp/B002UV03MW

They let you aim the speaker around a little, so you can fiddle with the axes somewhat.
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Hmmm.... given that these soakers have rear ports, I would be hesitant to put it close to walls.
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Hmmm.... given that these soakers have rear ports, I would be hesitant to put it close to walls.
As far as I can tell, most people posting this kind of comment have no real idea what that does, or why, or how close is too close.

Wall mounting would be OK for most people, especially those buying this speaker, and it helps if you have a mount that keeps it a couple inches from the wall.
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I think people tend to just assume that rear port = bad for wall mounting and sealed = good. But it's not so simple.

This really depends on the cabinet tuning as well as the amount of baffle step compensation.

Not all sealed speakers are meant to be near or on wall... and some will sound bloated when placed there. Just like some rear ported speakers can perform OK near wall (ie. not flush against the wall)...
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I have had a set of SP-BS21-LR for over a year now. I love the sound. Recently, one of the woofers started to die. I have reached out to Pioneer; however, they do not sale the woofer separately. Does anyone on this forum have a suggestion for a replacement driver?
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I would probably just save up for a new pair of the BS22, they are a nice step up from the original series, and when on sale, you can get them for as low as $50/pair. Amazon is probably about due for another sale on them soon, so keep an eye out.

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Sorry, typo. I meant that I had the SP-BS22-LR set and needed advice on a woofer replacement.
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Sorry, typo. I meant that I had the SP-BS22-LR set and needed advice on a woofer replacement.
Several of the stock 22's I've ordered have had defective woofers. I e-mailed Pioneer to see if I could purchase replacements, but I never received a reply. I think ordering a whole new speaker is the only recourse. You can't just drop in a different model woofer.
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Several of the stock 22's I've ordered have had defective woofers. I e-mailed Pioneer to see if I could purchase replacements, but I never received a reply. I think ordering a whole new speaker is the only recourse. You can't just drop in a different model woofer.
@ Dennis. Would you recommend people staying away from the low end Pioneers for the time being?
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@ Dennis. Would you recommend people staying away from the low end Pioneers for the time being?
No--they're still good buys. The QC on the tweeter has actually improved, and the percentage of woofers with problems has been low. It's just that I see a lot of Pioneer woofers. The defective ones will run out of headroom faster, but they still play at moderate to fairly loud volumes.
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Oh, okay. I was afraid that there was a newly discovered issue with these AVS darlings. I wouldn't plan on blasting them. I'm looking to throw something inexpensive in my bedroom. Pioneer FS52, BIC America Venturi DV64, or CAMBRIDGE AUDIO S70. All seem to be at a decent price.

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I've been experimenting with the 22's over the last week to see whether there was an easy way to fix what I found to be a drawback for serious music listening. The lower treble became murky and withdrawn on complex program material. I quickly discovered that the crossover was not the issue. As you would expect from Andrew Jones, it's extremely well done. The problem is an underachieving tweeter. Please note that I am extremely picky about sound, and what strikes me as a problem may be a non-issue for you. Also realize that these speakers are probably fine for HT, and an amazing bargain in that function. But, since they are so inexpensive, and the woofer and box tuning are so good, I did experiment with a cheap tweeter that's always performed well for me. It's a Vifa silk dome that costs me about $25/pr with shipping.

I came up with two revised crossovers to use with the Vifa. The first simply adds one $1.50 capacitor to the tweeter circuit. That significantly improves the detail and presence of the stock 22, although the midrange is a little fuller than optimal. The second adds 3 components costing around $20/pr. That produces first class sound that is probably a little better than the Cambridge S30 or the NHT Super Zero. I've attached a plot I made of the frequency response. Unfortunately, this isn't really something you would want to try at home. The Vifa terminals aren't in the same location as the stock tweeter, and you have to enlarge the through-hole sightly in one location. And the more complex mod can't be simply added on to the stock printed circuit board. You have to build a new board. And, of course, all of this voids the warranty. Still--if you use your 22's for serious music listening and would be interested in hearing what the mod sounds like, I would be happy to ship out my pair for a listen. You would have to pay return shipping, so the closer you are to Washington D.C., the better.
I should also add - I'd be more than willing to pay to ship them back to you in order to give them a listen. I don't have the stock BS22's or the S30 to compare to, but it'd be fun to hear them.
Dennis Murphy, I would like to get circuit diagrams for the two crossover mods you mentioned. I'm a new member (I joined in hopes of being able to contact you) so I can't send you a PM. I have the reply notification set for my account, and my email is dadwhiskers at gmail.com I'm 70, and don't have much to do, so I thought modding my set would be a welcome little project. Thanks.
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