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I have been playing with the prototype modded Pioneer BS22 speaker, modified by Dennis
Murphy. He has replaced the stock tweeter with a Vifa tweeter, and modified the crossover
to give what I call near flatbread measurements. > I have also compared it to the stock
version which I still liked and sounds good to me, based on the price. The one thing about
the BS22 speaker that stood out, was good bass from the small woofer, decent midrange
and decent highs for the price - with nice detail for music and movies. The tweeter was
nice for the price and had a somewhat artificial vividness/shine, which some would call a
zing - however, it was not really irritating to me. I have always liked the BS22 better than
the towers for music. The one thing I have desired from the BS22 was better detail and
definition. I have tested this DNA speaker with both music and movies, to find out if it is
the real deal and a step up from the stock version. The main music was >>>

Chris Botti with
Sy Smith - The Look of love
Lucia Micarelli - Emmanuel
Sting and Josh Groban - Shape of My Heart

Willie Nelson, Wynton Marsalis and Nora Jones
Hit the Road Jack
Come Rain or Shine

Jackie Evancho
Angel
The Lord's Prayer
O Holy Night

Diana Krall
You Are My Thrill

Micah Stampley
Overcome
Worthy

Chris Tomlin
Whom Shall I Fear (God of Angels Armies)

However, the speakers can handle other forms of music such as > Rock, R&B, Hip Hop, Heavy
Metal, Dance/Electronica - with the benefit of a subwoofer > they can take some power. Now
extreme head-bangers will want a bigger speaker.

The BS22-DNA, tends to remind me of the NHT signature sound > more along the lines of the
Classic Two speaker - the mod is better than the NHT SuperZero. One thing to note, this speaker
is less sensitive than the stock version.

The modified BS22 is neutral, clean/clear, balanced and natural sounding - it is neither forward
or laid back. It has good detail without needing the aid of a mushroom at 1khz, or a rising treble
in the higher octaves. The Vifa tweeter is smooth and detailed. Male and Female voices are more
realistic and clean sounding - instruments are more natural sounding - piano, harmonica, trumpet,
saxophone and guitar, all sound good with no edgy or sharp sound. Also, the violin sounds realistic
with no edginess. Drums and cymbals also sound more realistic and natural.

The bass even sounds better with less resonance - and I believe partly due to Dennis putting some
SonicBarrier damping, in the bottom half of the speaker. The main reason may have been to help
hold the crossover in place >> however I believe it helped, as the bass sounds more clean and less
boomy.

Now how does the stock compare to the modified BS22? Even with the vividness/shine on the treble
The BS22 is somewhat closed in, somewhat dull - lacking in detail (extension of certain notes). The
imaging is a little weak compared to the DNA 22 - and the speaker is somewhat boomy in the bass.

Now as nice as the mod version is - some people who do not have a critical ear, may or may not like
the modded version - due to the vividness of the stock 22 treble. And there are some who have a
good ear, that may still prefer the treble rise. It is a matter of preference and taste.

Now how about movie sound tracks - the speaker was tested with > Man of Steel and Star Trek Into
Darkness - fullrange without a subwoofer. If a speaker is going to be used as surrounds, then it
needs to be able to handle the front as well. It did good and did not burp - and for its size, it has
decent dynamics, the sound was clean, clear and open - it can get loud and has some decent
bass, and does have some punch. For one on a tight budget - this is a good starter system for the
fronts. Dennis is suppose to be checking out the center channel.

If things work out - you will be able to get a set of modded speakers from him with a serious good
price. You will not have to buy and send the speakers to him. I believe the BS22-DNA speakers while
not in the same league with $500 to $1000 speakers - will still be tough to beat from $350 on down.

Now MurphyBlaster also modded the Cambridge S30 speaker which I own. He also modded the
crossover for the near flatbread measurements. Now how do these 2 compare? Well since this is
a Throwdown and I am a Audio Nut, I have compared them >The Cambridge S30 does have a good
woofer and a decent tweeter. The modded Pio has a decent woofer and a new tweeter. The S30
has a decent built cabinet and is cross-braced with good foam dampening. The Pioneer while nice for
the price, has a weaker cabinet and no cross-bracing and the modded version has the small amount
of stock poly-batten and some SonicBarrier. The Cambridge had a list price of $259 a pair and former
street price of $219 a pair.

They are close - however not quite the same even with the good modded measurements. The S30
has more of a live presentation to me with better imaging and soundstage presentation. The S30
sounds more rich to me with a little better midrange detail (inner detail and nuances) > There tends
to be a little more definition and sense of depth - Things like the violin and guitar tend to vibrate
more The S30 goes a little lower in the bass and is more tight and controlled. > However, both
speakers are good with the human voice. I will say in some areas that the DNA tweeter will sound
slightly more smooth than the stock S30 tweeter. I believe the DNA tweeter is better than the stock
Pio woofer. Dennis believes that the S30 woofer is better than the S30 tweeter. For me it is the
cohesiveness of the S30 modded speaker as a whole. However I will not say that the S30 is a hands
down better speaker. The BS22-DNA speaker is a good one - and based on the cost and what you get
for the price, is a better deal.

Now, why did I call the Pioneer modded speaker the BS22-DNA?

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Here is another take on the modded Pioneer BS22-DNA speaker, from Dennis Murphy
Do not pay much attention to the first graph
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=113182.msg1277785#msg1277785

Here is a response/answer about the first graph.
http://www.audiocircle.com/index.php?topic=113182.msg1277821#msg1277821

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Dennis has done some more work on the center channel speaker mod - and he says it sounds good
The measurements also look good. The set-up with 2 pairs of the BS22-DNA speakers, along with the
C22-DNA center channel, will make a nice sweet sounding system. All one will need to do, is to buy a
subwoofer seperate.

I will take the Modded BS22-DNA speakers, over the Stock Cambridge S30 speakers.

However, it is still amazing and cool what Andrew Jones could do, with the stock Pioneer speakers.

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Nice review. Surprised there isn't more action here. People are always looking for good budget speakers...
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Nice review. Surprised there isn't more action here. People are always looking for good budget speakers...

Thanks

And, they do not cost much more than the list price of the speakers - that is the key thing about it.

And, they really do measure good.

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Nice review. Surprised there isn't more action here. People are always looking for good budget speakers...

I just don't think people trust Irish speaker designers. They could be right.
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I just don't think people trust Irish speaker designers living in the US, working for a Japanese company with speakers manufactured in China.

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Well, the prototype BS22-DNA speakers that I listened to, have already been sold.

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Does anyone have the link to where Dennis Murphy is selling these modified BS22s? I saw the link in a thread somewhere on the forums, but now I can't find it here (or on the interwebs) for the life of me.

 

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Does anyone have the link to where Dennis Murphy is selling these modified BS22s? I saw the link in a thread somewhere on the forums, but now I can't find it here (or on the interwebs) for the life of me.Thanks.

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http://philharmonicaudio.com/

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Just a heads up on availability. I've exhausted my supplier's stock of speakers and tweeters. They won't have the speakers back in stock until the beginning of the year, and the tweets aren't due in until Jan 17. I think I can use the shielded version of the Vifa tweeter, which is in stock, so that will speed things up a little. But I'll be traveling the first week of January and won't be able to take any new orders until Jan. 10.
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Just a heads up on availability. I've exhausted my supplier's stock of speakers and tweeters. They won't have the speakers back in stock until the beginning of the year, and the tweets aren't due in until Jan 17. I think I can use the shielded version of the Vifa tweeter, which is in stock, so that will speed things up a little. But I'll be traveling the first week of January and won't be able to take any new orders until Jan. 10.

Well a little vacation, or un-wind time can help > then come back to play, As the Audio World Turns!

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Thanks for the update! Do you also offer mods on the Andrew Jones tower, the sp fs52? I'm interested (when/if you get back to offering the modded pioneers) in getting some modified 22s, and maybe modified towers.


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Hmm, I will buy 2 sets of mod'd books and mod'd center. I currently have the stock versions displayed like trophy's while enjoying my new HTD level 2's. I'm bettin' the mod'd AJ's can compete with my HTD's. Anyone to comment?

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Hmm, I will buy 2 sets of mod'd books and mod'd center. I currently have the stock versions displayed like trophy's while enjoying my new HTD level 2's. I'm bettin' the mod'd AJ's can compete with my HTD's. Anyone to comment?

Yes they can - and I favor the modded Pioneer.

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I posted in our other thread but wanted to mention here to that even the stock version does an amazing job of blending with my new pb-1000. Way huge improvement, can't imagine the mod'd versions. Should I pre purchase or wait for return from vacation? Mr. Murphy or others involved, please advise : )

I'm sure the modified builds will love my sc-25 I just purchased.

Brian in Fresno...

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zieglj keeps recommending these speakers but just remember it's going to be at least late January before anyone gets a pair. (Waiting for parts and holiday season.) For the price, it's worth the wait - but it might be a long wait more likely February before most people will get them.
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Just checked his site and he also emailed me. Lookslike 2/1 will be a target date for purchasing. Can't wait! I also upgraded my PB-1000 to SVS's new SB-2000. This will easily blend nicely and compliment these upgraded units!

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Quote:Originally Posted by Hspecialist 

Just checked his site and he also emailed me. Lookslike 2/1 will be a target date for purchasing. Can't wait! I also upgraded my PB-1000 to SVS's new SB-2000. This will easily blend nicely and compliment these upgraded units!


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