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wingedhambone 12-29-2013 07:53 AM

Hello all,

     I recently purchased a new speaker set from the klipsch reference series and am looking for some insight on a receiver that would be adequate and provide the best sound at volume for movies. I'm new in the audio world and research on all the specs has been somewhat humbling, I.E calculations and contradicting explanations. Speakers include: RC-62, RF-82, and RS-42 II. All have nominal impedance at 8 ohms and  power handling at 150W rms / 600W peak, except the RS-42 II, which are 75W RMS / 300 W peak. I'm  looking for recievers that are in the $500-600 range that have provide good power without all the bells and whistles. Thank you for any insight that you can provide.

Regards.


wingedhambone 12-29-2013 08:06 AM

Also, I am currently using a Denon AVR-1613 that is 75 WPC at 8 ohms. Would the use of this receiver and the above speakers generate the potential quality and volume of the speakers. Thanks.


67jason 12-29-2013 08:21 AM

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Originally Posted by wingedhambone View Post

Also, I am currently using a Denon AVR-1613 that is 75 WPC at 8 ohms. Would the use of this receiver and the above speakers generate the potential quality and volume of the speakers. Thanks.

your denon will do fine.

if you do want to upgrade, look at features you want, better room correction, networking, airplay, multi zones etc.

commsysman 12-29-2013 08:27 AM

Trying to compare power ratings is counterproductive, because the minimal FTC ratings that most receivers give for specs are all but meaningless (and ONLY for two channels).

NAD and Cambridge Audio are the only ones that make a real attempt to give HONEST, meaningful ratings; especially for more than two speakers.

For example, the NAD T748 ratings would seem to be lower than a lot of cheaper receivers from Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc.; but the NAD has a better power supply and and MORE REAL POWER than anything else for $600 IMO.

For actually driving 5 speakers as well as possible, with the lowest distortion, there is no question in my mind mind that the NAD T748 is the best-SOUNDING one available for $600.

Your receiver probably can probably provide no more than 40 watts per channel when driving 5 speakers. That might be enough with the Klipsch speakers, since they are more sensitive than most speakers. With almost any other speakers, it would be marginal. The 75 watt rating is for 2 channels only, and only when driving an 8 ohm RESISTOR; which is a whole world different from a loudspeaker system...lol.

The maximum power ratings of the speakers are totally irrelevant, since you will never approach those power limits.

And, by the way, almost NO speaker on the market is really "8 ohms" They all have lower impedances at some frequebcies, which is what counts.

auceny 12-29-2013 08:33 AM

The 1613 should be fine but you could consider bumping up to the 2113/x2000 area for the better room correction capabilities.

bladerunner6 12-29-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by auceny View Post

The 1613 should be fine but you could consider bumping up to the 2113/x2000 area for the better room correction capabilities.

+1 on the Denon being fine but better room correction and other features can make an upgrade viable.

67jason 12-29-2013 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by commsysman View Post

Trying to compare power ratings is counterproductive, because the minimal FTC ratings that most receivers give for specs are all but meaningless (and ONLY for two channels).

NAD and Cambridge Audio are the only ones that make a real attempt to give HONEST, meaningful ratings; especially for more than two speakers.

For example, the NAD T748 ratings would seem to be lower than a lot of cheaper receivers from Yamaha, Pioneer, Onkyo, etc.; but the NAD has a better power supply and and MORE REAL POWER than anything else for $600 IMO.

For actually driving 5 speakers as well as possible, with the lowest distortion, there is no question in my mind mind that the NAD T748 is the best one available for $600.

Your receiver probably can provide no more than 40 watts per channel when driving 5 speakers. That might be enough with the Klipsch speakers, since they are more sensitive than most speakers.With almost any other speakers, it would be marginal.

The maximum power ratings of the speakers are totally irrelevant, since you will never approach those power limits.

And, by the way, almost NO speaker on the market is really "8 ohms" They all have lower impedances at some frequebcies, which is what counts.

bolded = baloney (imho tongue.gif)

in respect to ohm ratings - duh all speakers have different impedence ratings at different frequencies. 8 ohm speakers are supposed to 8ohm nominal just like 4 ohm or 6 ohm etc are nominal ratings.

except under the most sever conditions an average apprx 100 watt per channel @8ohm 2 channel driven rated avr will power most speakers set ups to satisfying levels most of the time. using powered subs even helps them perform even better.

op dont be scared off just because some people have a fear of catching cooties from anything but nad or cambridge gear. wink.gif

nothing inherently wrong with nad or cambridge, but you can usually get the same performance with more features at a lower price from other more common brands.

wronganswer 12-29-2013 08:59 AM

Klipsch speakers are really efficient. This means that you only need 1 watt to get 95db, Any low powered receiver will drive those speaker to insane volume.

wingedhambone 12-29-2013 09:59 AM

Thank you all for the responses!. So..., what I'm gathering is that the Denon-1613 is more than capable (and safe) to power the klipschs due to their efficiency. Another question; Would I see an improvement in sound if, say, I upgraded to a pioneer vsx-43? And if so, would it be worth the price tag if I was only looking for an improvement in sound quality? Unfortunately, there is nowhere locally that has this configuration that I can test out.   I typically listen to movies pretty loud, and I'm also utilizing a BIC f-12 450wat powered subwoofer.


67jason 12-29-2013 10:04 AM

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Originally Posted by wingedhambone View Post

Thank you all for the responses!. So..., what I'm gathering is that the Denon-1613 is more than capable (and safe) to power the klipschs due to their efficiency. Another question; Would I see an improvement in sound if, say, I upgraded to a pioneer vsx-43? And if so, would it be worth the price tag if I was only looking for an improvement in sound quality? Unfortunately, there is nowhere locally that has this configuration that I can test out.   I typically listen to movies pretty loud, and I'm also utilizing a BIC f-12 450wat powered subwoofer.

improvement is subjective, you will likely notice a difference between using audyssey and pioneers mcacc calibration softwares. if you prefer mcacc then its an improvement to you.

wronganswer 12-29-2013 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by wingedhambone View Post

Thank you all for the responses!. So..., what I'm gathering is that the Denon-1613 is more than capable (and safe) to power the klipschs due to their efficiency. Another question; Would I see an improvement in sound if, say, I upgraded to a pioneer vsx-43? And if so, would it be worth the price tag if I was only looking for an improvement in sound quality? Unfortunately, there is nowhere locally that has this configuration that I can test out.   I typically listen to movies pretty loud, and I'm also utilizing a BIC f-12 450wat powered subwoofer.

You can get better or worst sound, but is not because the amps on those receivers. It depends on the room correction software and equalizers.


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