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I have the Integra DTM 5.9 receiver with a pair of B&W 686 speakers. It sounds to me my speakers suck for what I'm trying to do. It's like I can't watch a movie that's loud cuz if I do than its going to blow something out so I have to leave the volume at decent low volumes, it shuts my receiver off into protect with the flashing red light.

So, what am I looking to do? Well, I love mafia movies, and other movies made to be loud and with a gun shot going off my receiver goes off. And I like rock music as well. Other than mafia, I was watching Pink Floyd The Wall on DVD with my volume at 68 and my system went off. It sounds like my speakers are not up to that kind of volume, right?

Would the Polk Audio RTI A3 be a good recommendation over my B&W 686? Or if not, please recommend better speakers.
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I have the Integra DTM 5.9 receiver with a pair of B&W 686 speakers. It sounds to me my speakers suck for what I'm trying to do. It's like I can't watch a movie that's loud cuz if I do than its going to blow something out so I have to leave the volume at decent low volumes, it shuts my receiver off into protect with the flashing red light.

So, what am I looking to do? Well, I love mafia movies, and other movies made to be loud and with a gun shot going off my receiver goes off. And I like rock music as well. Other than mafia, I was watching Pink Floyd The Wall on DVD with my volume at 68 and my system went off. It sounds like my speakers are not up to that kind of volume, right?

Would the Polk Audio RTI A3 be a good recommendation over my B&W 686? Or if not, please recommend better speakers.

sounds like you are over driving your receiver.
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So it's my receiver and not my B&W speakers? Uh ok. How do I fix the over driving?
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So it's my receiver and not my B&W speakers? Uh ok. How do I fix the over driving?

turn it down
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turn it down

Are there better speakers that won't overdrive the receiver and could handle loud volumes?
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yeah your speakers Sensitivity is only 84dB. you could get speakers rated around 90db and at the same volume on the receiver the sound would be about 60% louder....

i think i got that right... smile.gif
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Those B&W's at 84db sensitivity are very inefficient, so you are over-driving your receiver trying to push these speakers to loud volumes. You should find something at least 87-89db sensitivity, and you will be happier. You might really like Klipsch, since you seem to be looking for dynamics.
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Could you please recommend a pair of speakers that are better?
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Those B&W's at 84db sensitivity are very inefficient, so you are over-driving your receiver trying to push these speakers to loud volumes. You should find something at least 87-89db sensitivity, and you will be happier. You might really like Klipsch, since you seem to be looking for dynamics.

I assume you mean these? http://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B0040LG96O/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?qid=1389922450&sr=8-5&pi=AC_SX110_SY165_QL70
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those will play almost twice as loud as your B&W's at the same volume on the receiver.

people seem to either love or hate the klipsch sound because of the horn loaded tweeter.
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those will play almost twice as loud as your B&W's at the same volume on the receiver.

people seem to either love or hate the klipsch sound because of the horn loaded tweeter.

Thank you!
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I prefer the Polk's but you might want to look at the Klipsch RB-61 II's http://www.klipsch.com/rb-61-ii-bookshelf-speakers-pair/details

What guage of wires are you using for your speakers currently?

How far at the speakers apart from each other?

How far are the speakers from your listening sitting area?
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I prefer the Polk's but you might want to look at the Klipsch RB-61 II's http://www.klipsch.com/rb-61-ii-bookshelf-speakers-pair/details

those php will even sound louder than the ones you posted and are probably better.
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php, you should probably try getting a bigger mid-bass driver than the 5" you have now also. along with the higher sensitivity and bigger driver you will get a more dynamic sound and it will play much louder.
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Could you please recommend a pair of speakers that are better?

Focal 706
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-41246-focal-chorus-706v-bookshelf-speakers-pr.aspx

JBL Studio L830
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-3-Way-6-Inch-Bookshelf-Loudspeaker/dp/B000FYZARY/ref=sr_1_5?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1389939516&sr=1-5&keywords=jbl+studio+speakers

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that would be very nice for him.... 90dB, 8ohm, 6 1/2" driver.

he wants something that will play LOUD in his bedroom.
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Mark,

You said these http://www.klipsch.com/rb-61-ii-bookshelf-speakers-pair/details or did you say the Polks would sound much louder than the Klipsch I posted?
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Mark,

You said these http://www.klipsch.com/rb-61-ii-bookshelf-speakers-pair/details or did you say the Polks would sound much louder than the Klipsch I posted?

the klipsch is rated as have sensitivity of 95dB so yes they will play LOUD. this is the klipsch rb-61 II

i have not looked at polks lately but im sure you can find one with a 90dB rating which will play loud.

i dont know if best buy carries this model but i would try to listen to it first, there is more to sound than loud, make sure you are going to like them. if you do like the sound of klipsch then i like this model better for you than the rb-51II because it has a bigger driver.
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the klipsch is rated as have sensitivity of 95dB so yes they will play LOUD. this is the klipsch rb-61 II

i have not looked at polks lately but im sure you can find one with a 90dB rating which will play loud.

i dont know if best buy carries this model but i would try to listen to it first, there is more to sound than loud, make sure you are going to like them. if you do like the sound of klipsch then i like this model better for than the rb-51II because it has a bigger driver.

Thank you so much!
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ill try to explain sensitivity for you.

your speakers are rated 84dB meaning in simple terms 1 watt or really 2.83 volts at 1 meter it will play at 84db

the klipsch is rated 95dB

to double the sound level it takes 10dB so the klipsch is twice as loud as you B&W's or 11dB difference.

now a speaker with a 90dB sensitivity will still play loud for you, like the Focals listed above and they are a very good speaker for the price. they are rated 6db louder than your current speaker in sensitivity, so they will play about 60% louder at the same volume level on your receiver.



someone correct me if i have something wrong.... but i think i explained it pretty good.


remember you want a speaker that also sounds good to your ears.
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the polks you listed are rated at 89dB, so they will play louder as well.
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Thank you for explaining it! And which are louder those Klipsch or the KEF R300?
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Thank you for explaining it! And which are louder those Klipsch or the KEF R300?
The Klipsch's would be louder.

Given the price of the KEF R300's I would then recommend the Klipsch Reference Series RB-81 II over the RB-61 II's.

Without a real budget its hard to give you a solid recommendation
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Thank you for explaining it! And which are louder those Klipsch or the KEF R300?

Note one thing - Klipsch gets carried away with their sensitivity specs - they are around
90.5 db sensitive - however, they will still get loud.

Do not get too carried away with sensitivity specs, as far as the so-called highest. Most
speakers from around 89 db up will get Louder than what you have >> also impedance
tends to play a big part.

Klipsch is your call - note the measurement, 90.5 sensitivity
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/klipsch-reference-rb-61-ii-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

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yeah what is your budget? that would help a lot then we could try to recommend what we members think is best in a given price range.

also sounds like you dont have a sub.

if you prefer not to have sub in your room, do you have room for tower speakers?
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Note one thing - Klipsch gets carried away with their sensitivity specs - they are around
90.5 db sensitive - however, they will still get loud.

Do not get too carried away with sensitivity specs, as far as the so-called highest. Most
speakers from around 89 db up will get Louder than what you have >> also impedance
tends to play a big part.

Klipsch is your call - note the measurement, 90.5 sensitivity
http://www.soundandvision.com/content/klipsch-reference-rb-61-ii-speaker-system-ht-labs-measures

after i posted here and went to bed, way too late, i remembered hearing that about the klipsch rated sensitivity and was going to mention that to him.
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yeah what is your budget? that would help a lot then we could try to recommend what we members think is best in a given price range.

also sounds like you dont have a sub.


if you prefer not to have sub in your room, do you have room for tower speakers?


I did think about a sub. So get the Klipsch in that link that was posted and a SVS SB1000 12" inch sub? Get the 12" not the 10", right?

BTW, those KEF are too expensive.

And I haven't thought about a budget.
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I did think about a sub. So get the Klipsch in that link that was posted and a SVS SB1000 12" inch sub? Get the 12" not the 10", right?

BTW, those KEF are too expensive.

And I haven't thought about a budget.

I think you would be better off with the PB-1000.

you would be using it in a bedroom right? room size?

and since you are using this with a stereo receiver, would you know how to hook it up? i ask this because your speaker wire post suggest that you seem overwhelmed with pretty simple things dealing with hooking things up.
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I think you would be better of with the PB-1000.

you would be using it in a bedroom right? room size?

and since you are using this with a stereo receiver, would you know how to hook it up? i ask this because your speaker wire post suggest that you seem overwhelmed with pretty simple things dealing with hooking things up.

 

I too would go with the SVS PB 1000 sub over the SVS SB 1000 sub. 


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