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Paradigm are Canadian.

http://www.paradigm.com/

They were Canadian. Not sure if there stuff is made in Canada anymore. Are they any good? Energy is also Canadian but I think their stuff is made in China now. Sad but true. No offence to asians though.

What about Tannoy's? My dad said he used to have some a long time ago and they were (are) excellent.

Also what about PSB??

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Lots of brands. In fact so many if you consider them all it'll take a couple of years lol.

Many are now made in China. Kef, Celesion, Audiolab...all gone.

M&K, B&W, Kef, Castle, Naim, Ruark, Polk, JBL, Tannoy, Wharfedale, Monitor Audio, Focal, JM Labs, Paradigm, SVS, NHT, Celestion, etc. If you do manage to find a pair of Celestion A1, you need a good amp, you can't just connect them to a cheap amp...they need powe and amp able to drive 4 ohm speakers. Lovely speakers though.
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Lots of brands. In fact so many if you consider them all it'll take a couple of years lol.

Many are now made in China. Kef, Celesion, Audiolab...all gone.

M&K, B&W, Kef, Castle, Naim, Ruark, Polk, JBL, Tannoy, Wharfedale, Monitor Audio, Focal, JM Labs, Paradigm, SVS, NHT, Celestion, etc. If you do manage to find a pair of Celestion A1, you need a good amp, you can't just connect them to a cheap amp...they need powe and amp able to drive 4 ohm speakers. Lovely speakers though.

i just came across this. it seems to have great reviews on Amazon and I noticed I can add a sub if I wanted to and it has both digital and analog audio in. Worth looking into? I really don't need anything fancy. I'm no audiophile.
http://www.planetofsoundonline.com/p/Denon-D-M39S-Mini-System

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Well I'm not sure I can afford much more then that. I'm not exactly raking in lots of extra cash. I need something on a budget.

Then wait six months or a year until you can spend a little more money on a sub.

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Personally I don't like midi systems. I'd go for something like this, it'll last years and you can use it later on, ie move to a second room or a computer system

http://www.amazon.ca/Yamaha-RX-V375-5-1-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B00B981F38/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393169822&sr=8-1&keywords=yamaha

I have a 671. Perhaps look for second hand. AV amps generally plummet in price, you could get a 671 for peanuts.
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Personally I don't like midi systems. I'd go for something like this, it'll last years and you can use it later on, ie move to a second room or a computer system

http://www.amazon.ca/Yamaha-RX-V375-5-1-Channel-Theater-Receiver/dp/B00B981F38/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393169822&sr=8-1&keywords=yamaha

I have a 671. Perhaps look for second hand. AV amps generally plummet in price, you could get a 671 for peanuts.

That receiver I found here. http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Yamaha-receiver-and-Polk-Audio-system-W0QQAdIdZ560438524
The guy wants $300 CAD for the receiver and speakers. Think it's a good deal? I could always sell the speaker set later to upgrade to something better.

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oh you said you want 2.0 or 2.1, however if you plan to play from DTS and Dolby sources, it may be better to get a av amplifier. DTS cannot function with non DTS capable amps. Also AV amps have multiple digital inputs, so aids in connectivity.

If you can buy a 671 for $300 it'll outlast a couple of speaker upgrades and have power until you decide to go further..
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oh you said you want 2.0 or 2.1, however if you plan to play from DTS and Dolby sources, it may be better to get a av amplifier. DTS cannot function with non DTS capable amps. Also AV amps have multiple digital inputs, so aids in connectivity.

If you can buy a 671 for $300 it'll outlast a couple of speaker upgrades and have power until you decide to go further..

So is the receiver/speaker set I just mentioned not worth it??

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You may find satellite system to struggl to fill a larger room. personally I'd buy a av amp + stereo standmount speakers for now, the best you can afford, then buy remaining speakers as you save money up.

But one option - get that Yamaha Polk system, use it for a couple of years, and perhaps move it to another room or for your computer (or perhaps bedroom or garage) and buy a better system. That way you have a system now, and also reuse when you need it, and get a better AV amp ie Yamaha 810 with some decent Paradigm speakers, SVS sub etc.
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You may find satellite system to struggl to fill a larger room. personally I'd buy a av amp + stereo standmount speakers for now, the best you can afford, then buy remaining speakers as you save money up.

But one option - get that Yamaha Polk system, use it for a couple of years, and perhaps move it to another room or for your computer (or perhaps bedroom or garage) and buy a better system. That way you have a system now, and also reuse when you need it, and get a better AV amp ie Yamaha 810 with some decent Paradigm speakers, SVS sub etc.

Well even when I move into a bachelor place hopefully this year the living area won't be much bigger than what my bedroom (master) is now. So that Yamaha + Polk set would be good for now. Down the road I could just sell the Polk speaker set and upgrade to new and better ones and I'd already have the receiver.

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better ones and I'd already have the receiver.

True, and better than getting the Denon midi system.

However that yamaha is bottom of the range model, you might want to upgrade it too.
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True, and better than getting the Denon midi system.

However that yamaha is bottom of the range model, you might want to upgrade it too.

Well one thing I am curious on that Yamaha model is whether it can upconvert composite to component. My TV only has one composite/component AV input on it along with three HDMI. One of the component input colours is also composite input. Right now my PS2 is using the component input. So if I wanted to use say a VCR I'd have to unplug my PS2 to do so. Would this Yamaha receiver alleviate that?

However like I said i'm not looking for anything fancy. That Denon system would be more than fine for me.

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That receiver I found here. http://ottawa.kijiji.ca/c-buy-and-sell-electronics-Yamaha-receiver-and-Polk-Audio-system-W0QQAdIdZ560438524
The guy wants $300 CAD for the receiver and speakers. Think it's a good deal? I could always sell the speaker set later to upgrade to something better.
Thats not a bad starting point, It has a Polk RM6750 5.1 speaker set with the Yahmaha receiver

I similar priced system in the USA is around $400 new for speakers and receiver.

I started with the RM6750 and loved that system for the money I spent on it. I had it in a 13.5' x 14.75' x 8' completely open on one side and the thing always impressed me.

I sold it to a friend with a similar sized room but closed off and it sounds even better.

The subwoofer with it is a weak point BUT it still has plenty of bass for the average person
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You're probably looking at a higher end model if you want composite to HDMI conversion, usually lower end models are like for like.

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/?page=2&mode=compare&selected=451405_451399_
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Thats not a bad starting point, It has a Polk RM6750 5.1 speaker set with the Yahmaha receiver

I similar priced system in the USA is around $400 new for speakers and receiver.

I started with the RM6750 and loved that system for the money I spent on it. I had it in a 13.5' x 14.75' x 8' completely open on one side and the thing always impressed me.

I sold it to a friend with a similar sized room but closed off and it sounds even better.

The subwoofer with it is a weak point BUT it still has plenty of bass for the average person

How was the sub weak? Cause it's only an 8" sub? My current stereo (which I pictured above) has plenty of base. My roommate wanted me to turn it down cause it was "too much" and it's only a "bookshelf stereo system". So I think an 8'' sub would be plenty for me. I don't care to shake the room. LOL
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You're probably looking at a higher end model if you want composite to HDMI conversion, usually lower end models are like for like.

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/?page=2&mode=compare&selected=451405_451399_

Yeah I figured that.

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I have a Yamaha subwoofer with a 8" driver. It's bloody awful compared to the SVS SB12+
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I have a Yamaha subwoofer with a 8" driver. It's bloody awful compared to the SVS SB12+

Not sure I could ever afford one of those. That alone is over $600 on Amazon.

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Second hand it was half the price of new. Most of my gear is second hand. Use a Lexicon MC-8 V2, that retailed for $4500 US. I paid a fifth of that. And now they're about £500

Browse the classfieds, you may pick up a Yamaha 671 and SVS SB12NSD for much less than new.
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Second hand it was half the price of new. Most of my gear is second hand. Use a Lexicon MC-8 V2, that retailed for $4500 US. I paid a fifth of that. And now they're about £500

Browse the classfieds, you may pick up a Yamaha 671 and SVS SB12NSD for much less than new.

What about this one? https://www.avsforum.com/t/1518335/yamaha-rx-v571-7-1-receiver-like-new

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Even the 575 doesn't scale.

You have to get 675 for that

http://uk.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/av-receivers-amps/?page=2&mode=compare&selected=451401_451399_

Hmm okay. Well thanks for all your help. It's all very complicated to me which is what I don't want. I'll figure something out.

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Hmm okay. Well thanks for all your help. It's all very complicated to me which is what I don't want. I'll figure something out.

That's very understandable. One reason why they often call home audio a hobby is because it takes a good bit of learning to figure out what you want and make the best decisions about equipment. Certainly right now its hard to make decisions because you don't have the experience.

But you are right. It doesn't have to be that hard to get started. Buy an AVR: Yamaha, Onkyo, Denon, Pioneer, or Harman Kardon. Then get a set of bookshelf speakers. Those Wharfedale Diamonds you mentioned are very nice.

That would be a great starter setup, and then over time, you can figure out what you want to improve upon. If you want more bass, then you can explore subs and how to choose them. If you want to built a surround setup, then you can look into more speakers. And an AVR is important for this because it has many different features for building your own setup. But you don't have to understand them right now.

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yeah you don't want to buy a 375 because that's all your can afford and haven't researched into it, only to find why composite isn't upscaling to HDMI. You'd have to buy a new av amp, and lumped with the old one.
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How was the sub weak? Cause it's only an 8" sub? My current stereo (which I pictured above) has plenty of base. My roommate wanted me to turn it down cause it was "too much" and it's only a "bookshelf stereo system". So I think an 8'' sub would be plenty for me. I don't care to shake the room. LOL
Well I had that 8" subwoofer and I have compared it to the Bic H100/F12, Polk PSW12 and it is extremely weak in terms of bass performance. The 8" worked for me as I was in an apartment complex at the time so I was relegated to a compromise. I only got into one issue with the neighbor below me and it was my PSW12 and I might have been playing it alittle to loud alittle to late.

Sure it might have the volume but even the Bic f12 will create cleaner bass and give you lower bass frequencies.

The Polk RM6750 will be fine for your situation and you will likely love it. I know I did. I wish I still had it for my bedroom
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Well the BIC F12 is not exactly a "budget sub" in my view. If a sub costs around $100 no matter what the brand then that's a budget sub to me. $400 or more for a sub or even a pair of speakers is out of my price range. I'd rather not wait another few years to have a complete 2.1 set let alone 5.1.

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$100 isn't a budget subwoofer, it's bloody awful! that's in line with retail PC gear. I'd say this is a "budget" sub but good quality.

https://www.bkelec.com/HiFi/Sub_Woofers/Gemini.htm

If you get something like my 8" Yamaha I feel you're be wasting your money and be disappointed with it. It's crap. In fact I'd rather leave it switched off. It sounds better off

£200 would be the minimum I'd spend on a sub (£200 is $330)

I just wouldn't bother with something like this, nor would I recommend them.

http://www.richersounds.com/product/subwoofers/tannoy/sfx-sub/tann-sfx-sub-blk
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$100 isn't a budget subwoofer, it's bloody awful! that's in line with retail PC gear. I'd say this is a "budget" sub but good quality.

https://www.bkelec.com/HiFi/Sub_Woofers/Gemini.htm

If you get something like my 8" Yamaha I feel you're be wasting your money and be disappointed with it. It's crap. In fact I'd rather leave it switched off. It sounds better off

£200 would be the minimum I'd spend on a sub (£200 is $330)

I just wouldn't bother with something like this, nor would I recommend them.

http://www.richersounds.com/product/subwoofers/tannoy/sfx-sub/tann-sfx-sub-blk
http://www.richersounds.com/product/subwoofers/yamaha/ystfsw050/yama-ystfsw050-blk

Well "retail PC gear" is what I can afford. In any event I think there are far more important things to worry about right now. Thanks for all the help.

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Well the BIC F12 is not exactly a "budget sub" in my view. If a sub costs around $100 no matter what the brand then that's a budget sub to me. $400 or more for a sub or even a pair of speakers is out of my price range. I'd rather not wait another few years to have a complete 2.1 set let alone 5.1.

The fact that it does not fit your budget does not mean that it is not a "budget sub." There are some good reasons why it is classed that way among home audio enthusiasts, and it has do with the performance compromises it represents.

Unfortunately, you live in Canada. With an $800 budget, it would be very easy here in the US to put together a very good system, and everyone here knows what the best values are for the money. But in Canada its hard to find home audio equipment much below full MSRP, making it much more expensive to put together a home audio setup.

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The fact that it does not fit your budget does not mean that it is not a "budget sub." There are some good reasons why it is classed that way among home audio enthusiasts, and it has do with the performance compromises it represents.

Unfortunately, you live in Canada. With an $800 budget, it would be very easy here in the US to put together a very good system, and everyone here knows what the best values are for the money. But in Canada its hard to find home audio equipment much below full MSRP, making it much more expensive to put together a home audio setup.

Well I'll stick with what I have for now.

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Well I'll stick with what I have for now.

Well, and watch Futureshop for deals. Sometimes they run good specials, and you might find a good opportunity that fits your budget. Might find something that makes you ready to buy.

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