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I ran one of my favorite demo scenes as I am ver familiar with it. I tried Audyssey reference, flat, and off. The reference has the upper end roll off for big rooms and flat is for small rooms. Reference made the sound just like the theater, very loud, huge mid bass impact and hard to feel the lows. Flat was much smoother with a more balance from mid bass to low bass and I could listen to reference all day or MV at 0. When it was off my low end is more pronounced(most likely my 10hz peak) and the highs were more like flat. I want to try a combination with flat on the speakers and no EQ on the subs. That would be best to me but if that is not possible I will listen to more scenes with flat be off and see where it favors. Even without an Atmos track it sounds like a bigger theater now. The Marantz and Inukes sound awesome! My speakers have zero noise at the CDs.
Nice! Yeah, even without Atmos tracks, DSU makes the whole space sound bigger a lot of the time. Like you opened up the room by several meters. Very cool effect.
Once you get those Berry mounts and position those 212's on the ceiling it should get better.
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Thanks carp! Wish I had a dedicated space, making things right in a living room is a challenge. I'm going to be putting up some ceiling treatments soon, that's the next project.
I dunno Doc...


that space looks pretty dedicated to me...




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@Gooddoc , what about using one of those 708i's as a center channel? I'm not sure it would be better than the m2's phantom, but it might be interesting to test?

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that space looks pretty dedicated to me...




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Haha! Its "partial" dedicated. With a very, very understanding wife! Things that are holding it back: White ceilings, the baffle wall I SO want to build, no center because I can't get rid of the plasma due to daytime viewing, and difficulties placing subs where I want them. To really have my system sound and look it's best those are necessary. It sounds great, don't get me wrong, but could be better if truly dedicated space.
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@Gooddoc , what about using one of those 708i's as a center channel? I'm not sure it would be better than the m2's phantom, but it might be interesting to test?
Because I wanted a higher gain screen due to light control issues, it is not an AT screen. That would mean placing the 708 on the floor. The phantom image of the M2's is seriously crazy good. Not as good as an identical center, but hard for me to imagine a non-identical center on the floor being better.
If I had an AT screen I would definitely try it, but in the current scenario it just doesn't work. As you can see, it would have to be on the floor.

I've been tempted to upgrade the PJ to the new JVC 600, since it has a lot more light output than my 4910. That would allow me to use an AT screen without losing any performance. But that's an overall pretty expensive upgrade between the PJ and the screen.
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I was over at a my friend @kcnitro07's home theater last night. He recently upgraded his surrounds from Wharfedale to a pair of b212xl to compliment his b215xl L/C/R. It made a big positive difference for his overall theater experience. He showed me some demo material and music with all five playing and it was a significant upgrade over having the less dynamic surrounds. I didn't hear a thing wrong with his setup. It sounded great! (in fact better than many setups I've heard that cost MUCH MUCH more!) I can't imagine anyone being disappointed with a set of these speakers all around. The whole experience of matching inexpensive, but competent PA speakers (with good subwoofer integration) is greater than the sum of its parts. I really encourage people to use matching speakers all around. If you have a set of 212xl or 215xl only as fronts - you should strongly consider getting more for surrounds.
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I know, I always manually tweak auto settings. You want to know how my room adds low end? Well, Audyssey set my center to 80hz, my fronts which are 2 feet from the corners to 40hz, my surrounds to 60hz, and the ceiling fronts to 90hz and rears to 60hz. I set all of them to 120hz. I have not experimented or measured yet.
My audyssey Avr sets my 7 212xl's as below. I set them all to 100hz. I have not had time to build the mounts for them yet so they are all currently sitting on the floor with the sides at 90 degree to me and rears in the back corners toeing in to mlp. I only ran the 1st mic cal just to try out. I watched the first 30mins of Mad Max Fury Road and my first impression with all matching HE speakers is very positive, the overall sound is very impressive (more 3D sound) with much much more improved bass (I didn't expect this). My dual subs are upfront but the bass seems to be all over the place now where the action is.
Thanks @Archaea for recommending all matching speakers. It's very hard to beat the performance of these Berries (all 7 for less than $1200)

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^^ no, I even tried 120hz and there wasn't any localization problem, at least to my ears.
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localization of bass has a LOT to do with your room and your seating position - and your subs SPL level as compared to the mainspeakers. @carp had a JTR captivator in his room and I had one in mine around 2011 or 2012. I couldn't go much over 80hz and preferred 60hz in my room to avoid localization when I was using a single placement on left or right of the screen. In his room he could go to 120hz or even 150hz with the same sub and not hear localization. He could double stack two subs on one side of his room and localization wasn't bad/noticeable. (and carp does run his subs hot as compared to the mains) when I tested that in my room with a pair of subs I felt like I was in a v8 commercial.



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I have my subs up front, run my LCR @ 200hz and it sounds great. I keep all of my other channels as audyssey sets them, which is around 80 - 100hz. It sounds like I have homework to do!
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200hz is too high for most rooms and sub systems in my experiences.


Lots of inexpensive home theater subs (and expensive for that matter) don't play well that high for one reason and localization can become an issue that high.


www.data-bass.com will show you how well subs play above 120hz -- it depends upon the box alignment (ported, sealed, horn, etc) and driver parameters used as to whether the sub is giving you a nice smooth frequency response up to that frequency point.

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So I have been watching some of my favorite scenes or at least the ones I am familiar with and I am loving Atmos DSU. I know Atmos tracks will sound great but I am testing DTS-HD 5.1-7.1 tracks and I like the differences. The Marantz and Inukes are very dynamic!
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I put mine at 100hz and my subs are set to me in near field...directly behind the listening position. This keeps things louder for me(I can literally turn it up louder) without it making the whole room louder. Very helpful for being in an apartment. I just sense the bass, the location feels very direct so location does not seem to play a factor. Feeling it easier I think helps with making it less local.
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I have my crossover at 120 hz. I have too much displacement to not use it up there. As Archaea mentioned my drivers can play 120hz cleanly so 12 of them in my small room is a no brainer.

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So I have been watching some of my favorite scenes or at least the ones I am familiar with and I am loving Atmos DSU. I know Atmos tracks will sound great but I am testing DTS-HD 5.1-7.1 tracks and I like the differences. The Marantz and Inukes are very dynamic!
With or without Audyssey?
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Without, I do like it but I prefer my bass peak at 10hz. If I can have both I would.

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You could play with the open baffle idea that imagic initiated by buying a couple 212 for your back wall, removing the back of the cabinet, and just mounting the front face of the speaker to your back wall. That way you could load them very close to the wall, probably actually wall mount them if you cut holes into the drywall for the driver basket and magnet.



I've found with my Mackie C200 - a similar idea works well for my ceiling and intergrated with good subwoofers I can't tell that they sound any different than the should. You lose bass response below about 100-110hz, but in real world use - they sound identical to my other speakers when crossed over to subs.


Pic showing two of my four c200 Atmos ceiling speakers. I mounted all four using that open baffle idea to my HVAC dropdown (I didn't have enough room to mount the whole cabinet up there) --- and it works like a charm. I need to figure out a better way to cosmetically hide them, but the function of having identical sounding speakers all around was my primary goal - and I succeeded in that goal. Cosmetics were secondary.



Is your right surround in line with your seats or is it just behind them aimed at your center?
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@DekPM19,

just behind and aimed at center.

I used the Dolby recommendation angle of 90* to 110* -- more towards the 110* side because
1) for a 5.1 track I like the surround speakers to be a bit behind
2) I didn't want heads blocking sound output from the outside chairs, (elevated speaker placement helps with that too)
3) I think it's less of a blast to your ears if the speakers aren't 90* - especially if you are sitting on the end chairs. (less localizable sound too)

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/sur...5-1-setup.html
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/sur...7-1-setup.html
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dol...-4-setups.html

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just behind and aimed at center.

I used the Dolby recommendation angle of 90* to 110* -- more towards the 110* side because
1) for a 5.1 track I like the surround speakers to be a bit behind
2) I didn't want heads blocking sound output from the outside chairs, (elevated speaker placement helps with that too)
3) I think it's less of a blast to your ears if the speakers aren't 90* - especially if you are sitting on the end chairs. (less localizable sound too)

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/sur...5-1-setup.html
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/sur...7-1-setup.html
http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dol...-4-setups.html
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Thanks from the picture that is what I thought. Do you have the speaker tilted down or is it straight. Last question how high do you have the center of the wave guide from the floor? I read that your tweeter in this case I guess the wave guide should be ear level when standing.
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Also what stands do people use with these speakers? Looking at the B215xl I am guessing you would need a 12" stand to put the center oft he weave guide at about 38". I have just bought my first projector and I am getting a 120" AT screen from silverticket . I have had nothing but NHT speakers for the last 25 years from their supper zeros to 2.9 to M5 & M6 speakers. Right now I run 3 M6 across the front and 2 m5 for surrounds in a 5.1 set up. Then in my living room I have the2.9 set up their. I am thinking about buying one 215to put in the center behind the screen to see how I like it. Then buy 2 more for left and right.
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Thanks from the picture that is what I thought. Do you have the speaker tilted down or is it straight. Last question how high do you have the center of the wave guide from the floor? I read that your tweeter in this case I guess the wave guide should be ear level when standing.
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Tilted down slightly.
post 17 in the thread linked below shows how I mounted them - which of course would work the same for the Behringer.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/155-di...l#post26198346


The compression driver center is about 72" off the floor.

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I'm thinking of a 7.1 212XL setup. I'm planning on acoustically transparent screen, but have no room up front for speakers to push the screen forward. Is there a way to mount one of these in wall? For example if I removed the back of the speaker and made a box approximately the depth of a 2x4 would that impact performance?
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I'm thinking of a 7.1 212XL setup. I'm planning on acoustically transparent screen, but have no room up front for speakers to push the screen forward. Is there a way to mount one of these in wall? For example if I removed the back of the speaker and made a box approximately the depth of a 2x4 would that impact performance?

If you took the back off the speaker there's still 4-6 inches because of the size of the speaker. Once you do that there's the crossover that your going to have to figure out where you have space to place that which really isn't much but it's something to think about.
Can you frame the screen wall out 12 inches and make a fabric panels around it so you have more room for speakers back there.
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Anyone compared the b215xl or b212xl to the Polk Audio rti12. I have plenty of base so these will be crossed at 80 hz and above.
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You can only compare them with your own ears. Many here like them better than speakers far better than any Polk.
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Well after looking at the 215 and the JBL 4722n I went ahead an ordered 3 x B215XL to join the family. My plan the was to order 215 anyway, in fact I bought speakon connectors a few months back getting ready to order the 215s, but then I got side track buying a tv replacing my 50" pioneer plasma with a 65" Samsung. That didn't do it for me so I took that back and bought my first projector and 120" AT screen. (My screen should be in today) Then I started reading about some different speakers and got hung up on the 4722 and found the price wasn't that bad for them. Like someone said $1400.00 for seven of these Berries will be hard to beat. So I have decided to get 3 215 now to set up and see how I like them and buy 4 212 for surround if all goes well. Thanks to everyone in the thread for feed back and help. @Archaea and @MKtheater and @eng-399 for taking the time to answer my pms thank yall for the help.
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I will take pics soon of my setup, I want to finish all the wall and ceiling panels first.

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You can only compare them with your own ears. Many here like them better than speakers far better than any Polk.
Thanks, MK. I was also considering the portability of the Berrys vs those massive polk rti12.
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The 215s are not small but they have handles and easy to move. I finally mounted the 212s on the ceiling and watched mission impossible rogue nation and It sound great! Atmos is awesome. Now I need to make the panels. I mounted them sideways but made sure most seats were on axis since their vertical dispersion is less.
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^^ did you compare Atmos with regular 7.1? I found MI Rogue Nation is just an awesome soundtrack even with my non Atmos Avr.
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