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Has anyone compared the Mackie C200 to the 212XL (or 215XL)? Just curious as to which one comes out on top and whether there's any audible differences between them.
They have been looked at before some where in this thread.
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Thanks @imagic for the the awesome review and everyone for all the positive comments on these.

I've just ordered a pair for the home gym and look forward to some proper "motorvation" thanks to these. I've been on the fence for a long time and finally took the plunge.
(edit: these will absolutely be taking over the HT later on.)

For anyone looking to save some cash, I would encourage you to go to Amazon's page with a desktop browser. You may see an option on the B215XL product page to have an "Amazon Harmony" associate call you for a discount code. You'll want to do that, and you'll want to go ahead and stay on the phone with them. They emailed me a code, but it would not take on the order page, so they had to do a manual override on the order afterwards. It's well worth the trouble because they are giving 15% off. Very stoked to get these new for 187 each.

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Thanks @imagic for the the awesome review and everyone for all the positive comments on these.

I've just ordered a pair for the home gym and look forward to some proper "motorvation" thanks to these. I've been on the fence for a long time and finally took the plunge.
(edit: these will absolutely be taking over the HT later on.)

For anyone looking to save some cash, I would encourage you to go to Amazon's page with a desktop browser. You may see an option on the B215XL product page to have an "Amazon Harmony" associate call you for a discount code. You'll want to do that, and you'll want to go ahead and stay on the phone with them. They emailed me a code, but it would not take on the order page, so they had to do a manual override on the order afterwards. It's well worth the trouble because they are giving 15% off. Very stoked to get these new for 187 each.

Cheers!
Your master plan to move them into a home theater will put a smile on your face, but unless you have a subwoofer in your home gym to augment the low end you are likely going to find them quite unbalanced and thin sounding. Cranking the bass control will help a little.
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Your master plan to move them into a home theater will put a smile on your face, but unless you have a subwoofer in your home gym to augment the low end you are likely going to find them quite unbalanced and thin sounding. Cranking the bass control will help a little.
Hehe. Thanks! I'm replacing a pair of polk 6.5" bookshelves so I doubt they'll be worse than those.

I've been looking at adding either a vbss or a PL-200. The gym is in the unfinished side of the basement so it's a little weird to size/plan for.

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I've got a minidsp on this system currently just to highpass at 50Hz for the outgoing bookshelf speakers.

Any recommendations on eq nudges for these to help out the low end until I get a sub?

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As much fun as I've had with the Behringers, my regular set up is here so I am parting with my 212s.

Great fun and I liked the "industrial looks".

Posted them to the classified.
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So I've had a pair of the 15's in my living room for the past couple of weeks, and ..... words fail.

I originally got these with the intention of hanging them on the wall in the home gym. However, when they came in, I hooked them up in the living room for a quick listen and have been in amazed disbelief ever since.

My living room is a very hostile listening environment. Large open floorplan with many reflections and very "live" sounding. The klipsch towers I've been using there were very tiring, and could only be used once in a while for movies and not much music. The Berry's are such a huge difference from that I've actually been able to leave the youtube player on an acoustic guitar channel at a much lower volume than I'd ever use before and they fill the house with wonderfully articulate and relaxing sound. So the KLF10's are now in the gym and I'm here asking you guys for suggestions on changing around the living room setup.

I can't thank you guys enough, these speakers have salvaged what I'd thought was an unusable listening area. I'm now figuring out what to upgrade the old receiver to and deciding which Rythmik to go with. Will probably stay stereo, but really want a good room correction option.
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^^^ Another testament to the potential upsides of a more narrowly-focused -- some might say "beaming" -- radiation pattern in a space that is quite live and not amenable to absorption treatments.

The theory, often taken as gospel, that a consistent power response should be the gold standard in domestic reproduction is just that: one point of view. As this experience shows, it is not that simple.
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Guys - any suggestions for a sweet spot in Marantz AVR for these? Don't see going atmos in the living room. Even 5.1 might not happen. I'd like something more current to try out that phantom center option.

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Has anyone compared these to the Behringer VP2520? The VP's have 2 15" woofers for $30 more and handle twice the power. Worth getting them for more bang for buck?
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Has anyone compared these to the Behringer VP2520? The VP's have 2 15" woofers for $30 more and handle twice the power. Worth getting them for more bang for buck?
The short answer: I doubt it and do you need all that output?
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In home audio circles PA speakers have a dubious reputation. With a focus on efficiency, maximum output and beaming high frequencies to hit the back of a large room the goals are generally different than in a smaller home setting. I have little direct experience except from listening to music at various venues, but I think its fair to say that professional audio is somewhat of a mine field.

Saying that, there are a few inexpensive PA speakers that seem to do well in home theater; the B215XL and the Monoprice Stage Right 15 as documented by Mark and I think the Mackie C200 has also been mentioned.

It would be great if someone did a controlled, blind, level matched comparison of the most common PA speakers, but there are so many (even in the Behringer lineup), that doing so would be a huge task.
If you wanted to start by comparing the B215XL (a well known reference point) to the VP 2520 I'm sure there would be lots of interest.
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The short answer: I doubt it and do you need all that output?
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In home audio circles PA speakers have a dubious reputation. With a focus on efficiency, maximum output and beaming high frequencies to hit the back of a large room the goals are generally different than in a smaller home setting. I have little direct experience except from listening to music at various venues, but I think its fair to say that professional audio is somewhat of a mine field.

Saying that, there are a few inexpensive PA speakers that seem to do well in home theater; the B215XL and the Monoprice Stage Right 15 as documented by Mark and I think the Mackie C200 has also been mentioned.

It would be great if someone did a controlled, blind, level matched comparison of the most common PA speakers, but there are so many (even in the Behringer lineup), that doing so would be a huge task.
If you wanted to start by comparing the B215XL (a well known reference point) to the VP 2520 I'm sure there would be lots of interest.
That's what I figured. I am doing a stereo system in my basement and I was just looking at options. Looking for something cheap to fill the void till I can afford Titan 615XLs
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My LCRs are the 212s, but going from a Denon AVR-S510BT to a Pioneer VSX-524-K was a huge improvement in (perceived) sound quality, for both movies and music.

Only thing is I can't turn it up too loud (anything say past 55) as there will be distortion/degradation in audio quality with the Pioneer. Still loud enough for my uses however.
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Behringer Eurolive B215XL 15" 2-Way as L/R Mains

Gang, just wanted to say I finally paired the 215's with a Dayton 1500 today. Crossing over at 80Hz with the Pioneer Elite receiver and roughly level matched. Was really disappointed with it at first until I noticed the AVR was not set to stereo. Ahhh, much better. I still need to do the sub crawl, but it's pretty damned nice as is. Thanks again y'all.

Edit: really looking forward to getting a current AVR with AudessyXT32.
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Gang, just wanted to say I finally paired the 215's with a Dayton 1500 today. Crossing over at 80Hz with the Pioneer Elite receiver and roughly level matched. Was really disappointed with it at first until I noticed the AVR was not set to stereo. Ahhh, much better. I still need to do the sub crawl, but it's pretty damned nice as is. Thanks again y'all.

Edit: really looking forward to getting a current AVR with AudessyXT32.
vsx lx302 in store at some best buys for $399. Not Denon so no xt33, but hard to beat that deal
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vsx lx302 in store at some best buys for $399. Not Denon so no xt33, but hard to beat that deal


Wow, that's not bad at all! I've been thinking about the Marantz 7012 but man, are they spendy.

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Mark @imagic you still rocking these things? I'm trying to piece together an outdoor rig for the spring/summer, thinking the 212s or 215s would fit the bill. Anyone had success with the matching 18" sub the VP1800s?
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Mark @imagic you still rocking these things? I'm trying to piece together an outdoor rig for the spring/summer, thinking the 212s or 215s would fit the bill. Anyone had success with the matching 18" sub the VP1800s?


I looked really hard at those. No doubt they will put out a ton of boom, but the challenge with those is they seem to incur shipping damage pretty often. If they are packed as cheaply as the 215's are, I can see why. Styrofoam caps on each end inside a flimsy cardboard box. Mine arrived with minor holes but thankfully no cabinet marring.

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So is anyone using these in a Surround sound system? What center speaker are you pairing them to?

I own a couple of these (powered) as I have a DJ business. They are mainly used for backups, could put them into my HT if they might work for surround, and save a couple bucks for the time being.
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Any one here know how can I set up my qsc k12/10 and ksc ksub to a home theater receiver?

I have a few cables xlr to rca. Can I use it and hook it up directly to the sub rca port in the receiver or the 5.1 pre out on it?

My receiver is the rotel RSX 1560. Please show me how to thanks.

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So is anyone using these in a Surround sound system? What center speaker are you pairing them to?

I own a couple of these (powered) as I have a DJ business. They are mainly used for backups, could put them into my HT if they might work for surround, and save a couple bucks for the time being.
If the goal is to save money, angle them towards you and sit dead center. You won't need a dedicated center speaker.

Otherwise buy a third to match.
Regardless you will need to make sure your Home Theater Receiver has pre-amp level outputs for left - center - right, which generally means you have to buy a higher end unit, going against the initial goal of a budget theater.
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So is anyone using these in a Surround sound system? What center speaker are you pairing them to?

I own a couple of these (powered) as I have a DJ business. They are mainly used for backups, could put them into my HT if they might work for surround, and save a couple bucks for the time being.
Using one as a center is a good idea. I did.

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Any one here know how can I set up my qsc k12/10 and ksc ksub to a home theater receiver?

I have a few cables xlr to rca. Can I use it and hook it up directly to the sub rca port in the receiver or the 5.1 pre out on it?

My receiver is the rotel RSX 1560. Please show me how to thanks.

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Should connect right up like your thinking there with the rca to xlr's cables right from the pre-amp out's and sub out on the rotel.

You may have to do some adjusting on the channel levels to get everything calibrated to 75db depending on how you set the gain on the Qsc's built-in amp and how much voltage your pre-amp outs put out. Just hook everything up and use an spl meter to level all the speakers output to the same spl trying to keep the pre-amp channel levels close to zero and the built-in amps gains as low as possible as opposed to raising your pre-amp ch levels into the +db's or -db's and running the built-in amps gains too high on the qsc's.

The Ksub will be a little different. You want to set your pre-amp's sub out around -8 or -10 then use the gain on the Ksub amp to get the level you want which may be a bit hotter than 75db depending on how much bass you like.
Just resist the urge to raise the sub level in the rotel above -8 unless you just can't get the level you need from the sub without because running your speakers set to small (like you should with the Qsc's) and not running heavy into the
-db's on the rotel's sub level, you risk clipping the sub out once all the small channels are summed and redirrected to the sub out.

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Should connect right up like your thinking there with the rca to xlr's cables right from the pre-amp out's and sub out on the rotel.

You may have to do some adjusting on the channel levels to get everything calibrated to 75db depending on how you set the gain on the Qsc's built-in amp and how much voltage your pre-amp outs put out. Just hook everything up and use an spl meter to level all the speakers output to the same spl trying to keep the pre-amp channel levels close to zero and the built-in amps gains as low as possible as opposed to raising your pre-amp ch levels into the +db's or -db's and running the built-in amps gains too high on the qsc's.

The Ksub will be a little different. You want to set your pre-amp's sub out around -8 or -10 then use the gain on the Ksub amp to get the level you want which may be a bit hotter than 75db depending on how much bass you like.
Just resist the urge to raise the sub level in the rotel above -8 unless you just can't get the level you need from the sub without because running your speakers set to small (like you should with the Qsc's) and not running heavy into the
-db's on the rotel's sub level, you risk clipping the sub out once all the small channels are summed and redirrected to the sub out.

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Thanks for the quick reply I'll give it a try this weekend. Was afraid it might ruin the rotel that is why I'm hesitated to try..


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No problem.
Shouldnt be any worry of that, just make all connections with the power off on all equipment and let good practices guide you and you'll be fine. I doubt you would own that equipment and not know enough about what your doing on the hook up.

Should be a very potent setup for music and movies once up, calibrated and eq'ed some way either with eq or just tone controls( not familiar enough with the rotel to know what you'll have to use).
Only thing you may miss is a good bit of the bottom end below what hz the Ksub can extend but your mid-bass should be fantastic.
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I did googled lot before coming across this thread.. But greatly appreciated for the help.

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Otherwise buy a third to match.
Regardless you will need to make sure your Home Theater Receiver has pre-amp level outputs for left - center - right, which generally means you have to buy a higher end unit, going against the initial goal of a budget theater.
On the other hand, it means I can spend more money on a receiver and save up for some better speakers haha.
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I did googled lot before coming across this thread.. But greatly appreciated for the help.

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Here are links to the product manuals for your speakers, sub and receiver.
http://www.rotel.com/sites/default/f...SX-1560-OM.pdf
https://www.qsc.com/resource-files/p...rmanual_en.pdf

Page 4 of your receiver manual shows that there are RCA outputs available for all channels. (Required for hooking up your amplified QSC's.)

Page 10 of your speaker manual shows that the QSC speakers have line input RCA jacks, so no adapter cable is required to connect receiver to speakers.

Page 11 of your speaker manual shows that the QSC sub does not have RCA inputs so you will need to use an XLR or 1/4" phono jack to RCA adapter to connect the sub to your receiver.

If I have made an error please excuse me as I own the passive Behringers that this thread pertains to, which are different than your active QSC's.
You might find more help in the QSC speaker thread.

...and you are very welcome for the help.
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I first saw this post about 3 years ago, and so I went out and bought a pair of knockoff RCF because I didn't know anything about pro audio. The speakers were a pair of Malone PP2212A boxes, €300 for a pair at the time. Holy crap, they kick ass anywhere in my house, and even most of the time when I bring them out and gig them non-stop at full volume. In fact, they sound so good that in a large school gym, they rattle the floor an uncomfortable amount even without my non-existent subs.

I would like to thank you personally for this, or I would still be using crappy old home-theatre-in-a-box systems that claimed to be pushing 800w into each speaker. You, along with this post, have changed my audio life.
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Trying mtg90's crossover mod

A couple years back, @mtg90 posted schematics for some simple crossover mods. Approximating the changes with my yamaha's peq sounded more natural and less harsh, so I soldered a few dollars worth of components to one of the 215xl currently in my possession. The receiver that will be powering them is cheap and lacks eq. I wanted to be sure this data looks right before I continue with the other two:



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