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This is tangential to the current discussion (at best), but you caught my eye with this mention. What are the dual inputs for on a passive speaker like this? Are you meant to wire 2 channels to a single speaker? If so, I wonder how the dual inputs are wired inside.
Great question !

I assume daisy chain 4 or two pair ? Idk. Just guessing.

It doesn't seem to matter which one you plug into. Result is the same. If you wanted to go active it would be easy to hardware the tweet and woof directly.
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Great question !

I assume daisy chain 4 or two pair ? Idk. Just guessing.

It doesn't seem to matter which one you plug into. Result is the same. If you wanted to go active it would be easy to hardware the tweet and woof directly.
Well if anybody pulls one open, I'd love to see how they're doing it. I'm struggling to come up with a way to combine 2 channels of amplified signal. But that's a topic for another thread.
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Well if anybody pulls one open, I'd love to see how they're doing it. I'm struggling to come up with a way to combine 2 channels of amplified signal. But that's a topic for another thread.
I posted pics of the crossovers some pages back.

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AFAIK, the two speakons are in parallel so you can do as mfusic said which is daisy chain another speaker to the single, making a pair, and halving the impedance. If you wanted to use them to convert the speaker to active, you'd have to rewire them - disconnect them from each other and the crossover, then wire each one to one of the drivers, and mark up the rear panel to show which speakon goes to which driver.

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Just bought 3 x 215xl's on fleabay for $500, they getting delivered Thursday. Gonna install them in the mancave (1200sq ft brick wall 4-car garage) which currently has a 2.2 setup with some old kenwood mains and 2 x dayton 15 dvc subs. Gonna turn it into 5.2 with the kenwoods as surround speakers and berrys for LCR. I will post my opinion about the 215xl's a few days after I put them into use. For reference my main setup is a 2.2 with JBL 4722n LR and a pair of 12" peerless subs which will soon be replaced by a pair of B&C 21's
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AFAIK, the two speakons are in parallel so you can do as mfusic said which is daisy chain another speaker to the single, making a pair, and halving the impedance. If you wanted to use them to convert the speaker to active, you'd have to rewire them - disconnect them from each other and the crossover, then wire each one to one of the drivers, and mark up the rear panel to show which speakon goes to which driver.
If I was going to do something like that, I'd opt to swap one SpeakON for a 4 pole version, just to eliminate the possibility of forgetting which is which. My current speakers are active, and the 4 pole speakon is just plain easier.

Also, then if you were to accidentally plug the wrong one in, you'd only be connected to the woofer 1+/1- so you wouldn't have to worry about cooking the HF driver with lows.
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Hi guys, I just purchase 5 B215XL. How do you connect them to AVR? On the back of the B215XL they are 4 connect connections. And there is a diagram above them indicating “All inputs parallel/speaker connectors: +1 pos/-1 Neg”.
I was planning on using regular speaker wire to connect them to my Denon 4520 for the pos and neg on the Denon. Then I was going to connect the pos and neg to Neutrik NL2FX Speakon Connector 2 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o00_s00 , then connect it to one of Speakon port on the B215XL show in the pic below(Professionl speaker inputs wired in parallel.)
I guess my real question is it okay that the pos and neg connected for the Denon should be going to one Speakon port on the B215XL?

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I used normal 14 guage speaker wire and just put a speakon terminal on the end of the wire on the Berry end. I used banana plugs for the AVR end, but bare wire works just fine too.
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Hi guys, I just purchase 5 B215XL. How do you connect them to AVR? On the back of the B215XL they are 4 connect connections. And there is a diagram above them indicating “All inputs parallel/speaker connectors: +1 pos/-1 Neg”.
I was planning on using regular speaker wire to connect them to my Denon 4520 for the pos and neg on the Denon. Then I was going to connect the pos and neg to Neutrik NL2FX Speakon Connector 2 http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00...ilpage_o00_s00 , then connect it to one of Speakon port on the B215XL show in the pic below(Professionl speaker inputs wired in parallel.)
I guess my real question is it okay that the pos and neg connected for the Denon should be going to one Speakon port on the B215XL?

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Yep. Either one is fine. The extra is for daisy chaining multiples. In the manual you should see a diagram showing connection options.
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I bought a 1/4 inch to 1/4 inch speaker cable and one of http://www.amazon.com/Hosa-BNP116BK-...to+banana+plug
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I would suggest those http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00LW8VLRU with some 12awg speaker wire.
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Just bought 3 x 215xl's on fleabay for $500, they getting delivered Thursday. Gonna install them in the mancave (1200sq ft brick wall 4-car garage) which currently has a 2.2 setup with some old kenwood mains and 2 x dayton 15 dvc subs. Gonna turn it into 5.2 with the kenwoods as surround speakers and berrys for LCR. I will post my opinion about the 215xl's a few days after I put them into use. For reference my main setup is a 2.2 with JBL 4722n LR and a pair of 12" peerless subs which will soon be replaced by a pair of B&C 21's
Great ! will look forward for your impressions.
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Well if anybody pulls one open, I'd love to see how they're doing it. I'm struggling to come up with a way to combine 2 channels of amplified signal. But that's a topic for another thread.
Matt's going to open one up, measure and also maybe reverse engineer the crossover. I'm sure he's going post pictures once he gets that far.
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All the measurements are done. On/off axis for the B212XL & B215XL. Crossovers reverse engineered. Individual driver measurements with/without the crossover. I'll provide crossover files for XSim with the stock crossover in place so anyone can go right in and start playing around with it (still have to create those files).

I'll post up the info soon. Some preliminary findings:

The CD used is not a titanium diaphragm as they say but either a poly or mylar one (diaphragm is a clear material). This is from the B212XL, I did not open the CD from the B215XL but it appears to be the same.

B212XL measures worse then the B215XL on axis.

Acoustic crossover points of both designs are ~1800-1900hz.
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All the measurements are done. On/off axis for the B212XL & B215XL. Crossovers reverse engineered. Individual driver measurements with/without the crossover. I'll provide crossover files for XSim with the stock crossover in place so anyone can go right in and start playing around with it (still have to create those files).



I'll post up the info soon. Some preliminary findings:



The CD used is not a titanium diaphragm as they say but either a poly or mylar one (diaphragm is a clear material). This is from the B212XL, I did not open the CD from the B215XL but it appears to be the same.



B212XL measures worse then the B215XL on axis.



Acoustic crossover points of both designs are ~1800-1900hz.


Thanks for doing this Matt!!! Looking forward to seeing the measurements. Your Da man

Matt since you had the berrys for a few days if ya want to trade those for your Synergy Horns I would be ok with that.

Just kidding lol. haha

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All the measurements are done. On/off axis for the B212XL & B215XL. Crossovers reverse engineered. Individual driver measurements with/without the crossover. I'll provide crossover files for XSim with the stock crossover in place so anyone can go right in and start playing around with it (still have to create those files).

I'll post up the info soon. Some preliminary findings:

The CD used is not a titanium diaphragm as they say but either a poly or mylar one (diaphragm is a clear material). This is from the B212XL, I did not open the CD from the B215XL but it appears to be the same.

B212XL measures worse then the B215XL on axis.

Acoustic crossover points of both designs are ~1800-1900hz.
Interesting the 15" measures better on axis.

I look forward to your post.
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Post B215XL Measurements

The B215XL measurements, here we go.

On axis SPL & Phase @ 1m & 2.83v 4pi:


Distortion 2.83v 1m indoors:



Off Axis measurements, these are gated and with 1/6th octave smoothing to clean up hash and make it easier to differentiate between the curves, loss of resolution below 400hz or so. Taken at roughly 1.5 meters and level was lowered as not to blast neighbors with lots of loud sweeps.
Horizontal (0-90 degrees in 10 degree increments):


Normalized horizontal polar graph:


Vertical response (5 degree increments to 20 degrees, then 10 degree increments to 90)
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Crossover functions, normal, reversed polarity and individual driver response:







Files attached include crossover files zip for Bill Waslo's XSim and measured T/S specs of the woofer with DATS v2.

B212XL results and more pictures to come soon...
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Wow you really did a lot of measurements with these speakers thanks once again for the detailed post on these!

Matt what do you think can be done to make these sound better... Maybe better crossover parts... What do you think.

What do you guys think of the graphs???
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Thanks for the measurements mtg90. I have a question, do you think the off-axis dip at around 1500 kHz is a consequence of the crossover? If so, what effect would lowering the crossover be? I am guessing it might help as some of the dip may be due to beaming with such a high crossover for a 15" woofer? I imagine breakup would be an issue as well. You know a hell of a lot more about speakers than I do, what is your assessment and where are areas for improvement for this speaker?
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I've had 3 B215XL's as my LCR for a couple weeks now. They are such an improvement over my Wharfedale Zaldek LCR(not surprising I know). I don't have any experience with high end home speakers(other than Bose). Most of my audio experience has been in cars. But these get loud, they are clean and I don't say "What did they say?" when I'm watching a movie anymore. The big matching center channel is great. I wish I'd upgraded sooner. They are crossed at 80hz and my ported sonosub takes care of everything under that. I bought mine from Amazon in the warehouse deals. I paid $475 shipped for all three, and they are one of the best bang for the buck upgrades I've done. And with my acoustic screen, I don't have to look at the ugly yellow triangle on the grill.

These things are big. It's not very often I look average size in a picture at 6'4", 300.





Here's one next to what it replaced.


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My kneejerk reaction is they valued high power handling and spl above DI, a reasonable thing for them to do, considering the goals. In a home setting, sacrificing some power handling to drop the crossover point a little bit might prove to be better.

Very nice set of measurements!
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If its firing right at your face its not so bad but, off axis es no Bueno.
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Elaborate on at what point off axis you think it gets bad @lemonslush .

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Thanks for the measurements mtg90. I have a question, do you think the off-axis dip at around 1500 kHz is a consequence of the crossover? If so, what effect would lowering the crossover be? I am guessing it might help as some of the dip may be due to beaming with such a high crossover for a 15" woofer? I imagine breakup would be an issue as well. You know a hell of a lot more about speakers than I do, what is your assessment and where are areas for improvement for this speaker?
You're on the money. Lower the XO to fix directivity and woofer breakup. Pretty nice results though.
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Elaborate on at what point off axis you think it gets bad @lemonslush .
Certainly anything past 50* will have a hole in the midrange. Not so much about the direct sound as the reflected sound. They won't match very well.
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I wonder why can't Behringer mould a SEOS like waveguide into the cabinet!

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Here's my shot at something people could try for probably under $10 if using an electrolytic cap on the woofer. Reuse the 2.25mH inductor, buy a couple resistors, a decent tweeter cap, and a lytic woofer cap. Probably prudent to buy a few extra resistors like 2, 2.2, 2.4, 2.6, 2.8ohm to try in the R4 position. They're cheap, so why not. Maybe someone will try this. Interested to see what other people come up with though.



Note that the tweeter polarity is reversed, which is what Matt had shown on the stock XO, so just hook it up as it was so to speak.

An expensive XO could be worked up, but passive parts can get very expensive, like $70 per speaker, and without listening to the results you are spending a lot of money on something unproven. Maybe Matt will come up with something nicer. The native frequency responses aren't very kind to XO design. A bit lumpy.
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I wonder why can't Behringer mould a SEOS like waveguide into the cabinet!
The SEOS doesn't have much acoustic gain (horn loading). It doesn't make a very good PA device, which would probably get cut from a speaker like this in the planning stages.
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Wait you mean I was right all along ? No way... That can't be true...
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