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Gpc777 02-27-2014 11:50 PM

I'm setting up a new 5.1 surround system in a 16x18 room. I think I've decided on the Denon AVR-E300 receiver, and I'm wondering if the Energy take classics would be a good match for said room size and receiver? My budget for both receiver and speakers is no more than $700. Thanks for your wisdom in advance. Any suggestions would be appreciated as well. My former experience with home theater has been Onkyo HTIB systems. Seemed fairly decent to me, so I'm just wanting to possibly step up a little in quality if possible with the budget mentioned. Thanks again guys!

Gpc777 02-28-2014 08:06 AM

Anybody? Thanks.

Transmaniacon 02-28-2014 08:12 AM

Those are small satellite speakers, and will not work well in your medium size room. Here is what I would recommend instead:

Buy a Denon AVR-E300 from www.accessories4less.com It is manufacturer refurbished and has a warranty: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVRE300/DENON-AVR-E300-5.1-3D-Networking-Receiver-AirPlay/1.html

With the rest, I would recommend the Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers, you can listen to them at Best Buy, but they are regarded as one of the best budget speakers out there. I would start with a 2.1 set, and add a center and surrounds later on. You can get a pair of the towers for $250, and then add a NXG BAS 500 sub to give you a great starting point.

Sub: http://www.amazon.com/NXG-Technology-NX-BAS-500-500-watt-Subwoofer/dp/B008FSTU4G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1393600292&sr=8-1&keywords=nxg+bas-500
Speakers: http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-FS52-LR-Designed-standing-Loudspeaker/dp/B008NCD2S4/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1393600207&sr=8-4&keywords=Pioneer+speakers

This will be a night and day upgrade over those Energy speakers, and you will end up with a much better system.

Gpc777 02-28-2014 08:35 AM

Awesome! Thanks for the reply. I will check the links out!

Gpc777 02-28-2014 10:31 AM

How difficult is it to set the Denon up with the two pioneer fronts and just the sub for now? Without having the center and surrounds. Will the receiver just automatically adjust to not having the other speakers connected? Sorry for such a newbie question. Thanks again.

Transmaniacon 02-28-2014 10:35 AM

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How difficult is it to set the Denon up with the two pioneer fronts and just the sub for now? Without having the center and surrounds. Will the receiver just automatically adjust to not having the other speakers connected? Sorry for such a newbie question. Thanks again.

Yes it will. It comes with Audyssey MultEQ room calibration software and a mic. You plug in the mic and follow the on-screen instructions. It will detect what speakers you have, and determine the proper settings for them.

Gpc777 02-28-2014 11:08 AM

Excellent. Is that matching Andrew Jones Pioneer center speaker a good one? Thanks.

Transmaniacon 02-28-2014 11:42 AM

They are great speakers for the money, and that center speaker does fine. You would have to use it regardless, or another tower/bookshelf because you need to have the front three speakers timbre matched for proper imaging.

crazyrob425 02-28-2014 12:02 PM

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Excellent. Is that matching Andrew Jones Pioneer center speaker a good one? Thanks.
The Pioneer SP-C22 is the matching center to the Pioneer SP-FS52-LR Andrew Jones Designed Floor standing Loudspeaker

Gpc777 02-28-2014 12:20 PM

Thanks.

Gpc777 02-28-2014 12:33 PM

One more quick question. Is it best to place the sub in the front of my room on one of the sides, facing me, or in the back of the room? Thanks.

crazyrob425 02-28-2014 12:45 PM

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One more quick question. Is it best to place the sub in the front of my room on one of the sides, facing me, or in the back of the room? Thanks.
Subwoofer position varies per room to room. To figure out the best position in your room its best to do the "subwoofer crawl"

What subwoofer are you looking to get with your speaker system. I would suggest against the Pioneer 8" subwoofer and go for something like the Dayton Sub-1200.

lovinthehd 02-28-2014 01:03 PM

Like the others have said. I've got the Energy Take system and for a small bedroom they're a decent value, but in a larger room they'll not do as well, they're just too small.

Gpc777 02-28-2014 01:11 PM

Not sure as far as the sub. Transmaniacon had suggested the NXG Technology NX-BAS-500 12" 500-watt Powered Subwoofer for $250, but if the Dayton sub-1200 is close to the same quality for $110, that would be an awesome money savings. Also, how are the pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers compared to the 52-LR speakers mentioned above? If paired with a nice sub, wouldn't they still blow away the old Onkyo speakers I'm used to? Sorry, just trying to save some money here. Maybe use the 22-LR's with a sub and the matching SP-C22 center channel at first, then buy the 52-LR's at some point, and move the 22-LR's to the back for my surround speakers? What do you guys think? Thanks again!

Transmaniacon 02-28-2014 01:22 PM

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Not sure as far as the sub. Transmaniacon had suggested the NXG Technology NX-BAS-500 12" 500-watt Powered Subwoofer for $250, but if the Dayton sub-1200 is close to the same quality for $110, that would be an awesome money savings. Also, how are the pioneer SP-BS22-LR speakers compared to the 52-LR speakers mentioned above? If paired with a nice sub, wouldn't they still blow away the old Onkyo speakers I'm used to? Sorry, just trying to save some money here. Maybe use the 22-LR's with a sub and the matching SP-C22 center channel at first, then buy the 52-LR's at some point, and move the 22-LR's to the back for my surround speakers? What do you guys think? Thanks again!

The NXG is a noticeably better sub, it will dig deeper, play louder, and be more articulate. When it comes to internet direct brands, sub woofers scale pretty well with price so the more you spend the more you get. I would definitely not skimp on the sub, it, along with your center, shoulder the load in a HT. You can definitely go with the BS22's as fronts, with a good sub, the difference between towers and bookshelves is small, and with the difference you could add the center and start with 3.1. I have heard both and the towers offer better dynamics to me, but either is fine and a big upgrade over the Take Classics. As you laid out, you can eventually upgrade the fronts, or simply just buy another pair of BS22s for surrounds.

Gpc777 02-28-2014 01:27 PM

Thanks for the reply. So the sub you mentioned should blend well with those front three speakers right? Then add some surrounds or better fronts at some point and I'm ready to go.

lovinthehd 02-28-2014 02:01 PM

Sub blending isn't about brands/models, it's about bass management and placement in your room.

Gpc777 02-28-2014 02:19 PM

Thanks again. What about HDMI cables? Do I need the newest 1.4 or whatever standard it is to run from my display to the Denon receiver? Just want a good 1080p picture, nothing more than that. Thanks.

Gpc777 02-28-2014 02:50 PM

Figured that last one out myself. Thanks again for all of your help guys!

cel4145 02-28-2014 02:52 PM

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Thanks again. What about HDMI cables? Do I need the newest 1.4 or whatever standard it is to run from my display to the Denon receiver? Just want a good 1080p picture, nothing more than that. Thanks.

Don't spend a lot on HDMI cables. For instance, these Amazon Basics HDMI cables should work well smile.gif
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Sub blending isn't about brands/models, it's about bass management and placement in your room.

+1

That NXG sub will work well and would be worth the investment.

Greg Ulate 02-28-2014 02:55 PM

If these are the same as those pioneers, I'd recommend getting this version. It's an upgrated tweeter version of them for around the same price. should sound a lot better.

http://www.philharmonicaudio.com/folio-me/html/Phil%20Pages/AALS.html

crazyrob425 03-01-2014 11:53 AM

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Thanks again. What about HDMI cables? Do I need the newest 1.4 or whatever standard it is to run from my display to the Denon receiver? Just want a good 1080p picture, nothing more than that. Thanks.
regular HDMI cables will work
http://www.monoprice.com/Category?c_id=102&cp_id=10240

lovinthehd 03-01-2014 09:48 PM

HDMI cables are either standard or high-speed (the HDMI version is for the hardware itself rather than the cable). High speed allows for 3d or ARC.

Gpc777 03-01-2014 10:44 PM

Thanks again for all of the feedback guys.

Gpc777 03-02-2014 11:41 AM

Another question. How are people mounting these Pioneer bookshelf speakers? Just building a speaker stand on the wall? Are they meant to be in a bookshelf? I just know they will be WAY too big and heavy for the usual speaker wall mounts, etc. Thanks again guys.

lovinthehd 03-02-2014 11:45 AM

Since the speakers don't come with any inserts for mounting, you can use stands or shelves or perhaps a speaker mount like the Pinpoint AM-40. http://www.pinpointmounts.com/AM-40_Side_Clamping_Bookshelf_Speaker_Wall_Mount_OBFR.html#.UxN8GoWmU9A

Gpc777 03-02-2014 11:47 AM

Thanks! What about speaker wire gauge? 14 or 16?

lovinthehd 03-02-2014 11:56 AM

Depends on how long your run is, but more than likely from your description your runs are short. This is a good read http://www.roger-russell.com/wire/wire.htm#connect. Personally I buy 14g in 250 ft reels as it will suffice for any situation in my home....

Gpc777 03-02-2014 12:15 PM

Awesome. Best place to buy that wire? Monoprice? And is there a cheaper set of speakers that I could buy for my surrounds that would work good with the 3 pioneers up front? Or is it just better to wait if I have to and buy the matching pioneers for the rear? Went and listened to these speakers by the way today and WOW, way better than the old Onkyos I had. Amazing.

cel4145 03-02-2014 12:19 PM

Oh, yeah. Awesome speakers, aren't they? smile.gif

Monoprice is great for wire.

The Pioneers are just really good speakers, and the BS22 are not too expensive if you wait to catch them on sale such that you can save a lot by going cheaper. If you want to save a little, Newegg has the previous generation Pioneer SP-BS21 on sale for $81 this weekend.


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