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I think I'm just making myself even more confused! wink.gif

Been there. Done that.

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Understood!

For the fronts I could of course stick with Pioneer but go for the BS22s instead of the towers. I think I'm just making myself even more confused! wink.gif

I would go with the Cambridge S30, they are only 9" tall - however, the Cambridge has better
midrange and treble, with more controlled and articulate bass.

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I would go with the Cambridge S30, they are only 9" tall - however, the Cambridge has better
midrange and treble, with more controlled and articulate bass.

OK, interesting. The S30s do seem to get almost universal praise. And they go with the s50 center, correct?

With them having been discontinued, Accessories4Less seems to be the way to buy them online--not a retailer I'm used to but should I be worried? Mixed reviews online I see.
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OK, interesting. The S30s do seem to get almost universal praise. And they go with the s50 center, correct?

With them having been discontinued, Accessories4Less seems to be the way to buy them online--not a retailer I'm used to but should I be worried? Mixed reviews online I see.

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+1 for the S30. I had no issues with my purchase of speakers and a refurb receiver from them.
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Agreed. I've had good luck with them, too.

On the other hand, I have heard about problems with Rakuten that has been mentioned. Don't use your credit card to pay them unless you do it through PayPal (in which case your credit card info is protected). There were some issues with them last year: http://www.lowcards.com/hundreds-rakuten-com-users-report-credit-card-fraud-13512

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My budget is around $600 for fronts, center and surrounds, then $250-$300 for the sub.

So we ended up at about $1000. Consider yourself lucky - most people end up at least doubling their initial budget! :D

Now get the stuff and enjoy it already. ;) 

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So we ended up at about $1000. Consider yourself lucky - most people end up at least doubling their initial budget! :D

Now get the stuff and enjoy it already. ;) 

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I was doing well with my initial budget until I upgraded to the SVS sub, but man was it worth it. I can't believe how much it improved my whole system. I dine out less frequently now.  :rolleyes:

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Those EMP Teks look interesting. Would they be a big step up from the Pioneer range?

Having auditioned the Pioneers in my home, and owning the EMPs, I can say they are definitely a step up. In my opinion the EMPs have a more defined mid-range. The mid-bass region is more emphasized, but still remains tactile and doesn't overpower anything. They are a big more laid back than the Pioneers, but I prefer a more neutral speaker so this was a plus for me. The bigger woofer offers better dynamics, and the EMPs have more articulate bass in my opinion. For it's size, the BS22 does a good job on bass, but both speakers need a sub. The Pioneers are good, entry level speakers, but stepping up will get you a more refined sound. One other advantage to the EMPs is their appearance, some people don't care much about that but when you compare the two, it's quite a difference.

There is little advantage to going with towers over bookshelves, when you have a capable sub. Since you will be setting a crossover, your towers become glorified bookshelves anyway, so you can generally get more bang for your buck with a sub/sat system.

The PB-1000 is a good choice, it is still fairly compact being a 10" sub, but will dig deep and have plenty of output in a small to mid-size room.

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I too have heard the pioneer and the EMP and agree with trans! The EMP speakers look and sound much better than the Pioneer! But unless YOU hear them, that doesn't mean much!

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Here is a picture of the E5Bi in person so you can get a good idea of the finish:

That is a nice finish. smile.gif

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You might want to consider Dayton speakers. $36 at parts express. Supposed to be as good as the pioneers!
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You might want to consider Dayton speakers. $36 at parts express. Supposed to be as good as the pioneers!


I've worked with both, and did mods for both, and I would stay clear of the Daytons. At some point, you really do get what you pay for.
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OK, more food for thought--you guys are tremendous.

I am really close to being sold on the Cambridge Audio, but looking over dozens of speakers just now with my wife we both agree the CAs leave a lot to be desired aesthetically. I know that's secondary, but still...

Which brings me to the EMPs, which do indeed seem to have a nice finish. Transmaniacon, when you say they are more "laid back," do you think that could be an issue for movie watching? I want the speakers to be musically accurate but I'm also hoping they will be fairly dynamic for movie soundtracks.

Appearance-wise, my wife and I both LOVE Aperion's Verus line, but they are definitely out of my price range. As mentioned above, budgets have a habit of expanding and I don't mind if mine does a little if it means getting great speakers that also look appealing, but there's a limit, of course.

I took a look at the Ascend CBM 170 SE also--I like the fact that, per the specs, they go fairly low for a bookshelf, like the Cambridge (better for crossover with a sub?), but they kind of look like the Cambridges too! tongue.gif
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I took a look at the Ascend CBM 170 SE also--I like the fact that, per the specs, they go fairly low for a bookshelf, like the Cambridge (better for crossover with a sub?), but they kind of look like the Cambridges too! tongue.gif

I sold my S30s and, after trying a couple of other speakers, ended up with the CMB-170 SEs which I use now. I definitely like them better. They have a more neutral response to me. Very detailed and resolving.

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I sold my S30s and, after trying a couple of other speakers, ended up with the CMB-170 SEs which I use now. I definitely like them better. They have a more neutral response to me. Very detailed and resolving.

The more I read about the S30s the more fantastic they seem to be, so if the CMB-170s are even better...!

How did you find both of these models aesthetically? I'm wondering if they look nicer in person than in the photos I've seen.
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OK, more food for thought--you guys are tremendous.

I am really close to being sold on the Cambridge Audio, but looking over dozens of speakers just now with my wife we both agree the CAs leave a lot to be desired aesthetically. I know that's secondary, but still...

Which brings me to the EMPs, which do indeed seem to have a nice finish. Transmaniacon, when you say they are more "laid back," do you think that could be an issue for movie watching? I want the speakers to be musically accurate but I'm also hoping they will be fairly dynamic for movie soundtracks.

Appearance-wise, my wife and I both LOVE Aperion's Verus line, but they are definitely out of my price range. As mentioned above, budgets have a habit of expanding and I don't mind if mine does a little if it means getting great speakers that also look appealing, but there's a limit, of course.

I took a look at the Ascend CBM 170 SE also--I like the fact that, per the specs, they go fairly low for a bookshelf, like the Cambridge (better for crossover with a sub?), but they kind of look like the Cambridges too! tongue.gif

When I say laid back, I am comparing to say Polk Monitors which are notoriously bright. They are not as laid back as Energy speakers, but won't fatigue you at all. For movies, they sound great, and I listened to several speakers before I purchased these. Ascend is a popular choice, I have only briefly heard the 170s, and they are a good choice, but their appearance is a little too bland for me (Sierra's excluded tongue.gif)

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The EMP speakers (keep in mind I have the towers, not the bookshelf) are EXCELLENT for HT! As mentioned, you need a sub but the EMP provide excellent midbass and enough high end to give detail and clarity but not be bright. By all accounts, the EMP E5Bi get down to 60hz, which is low enough to cross you sub at 80 and have an excellent blend for HT.

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I'm getting very close to deciding... I hope.

This is my current proposed lineup, including the receiver:

- Denon x1000
- EMP Tek E5Bi pair with matching center
- Polk OWM3 surround speakers
- SVS PB-1000 (or the SB-2000 to save a little space)

Does that sound like a nice system?

My wife did get a look at the Wharfedale Diamond 10.1s and really liked the look of them--they would push my budget, but if anybody wants to chime in on those as alternatives for my fronts, feedback would be most welcome.

I haven't completely ruled out the Cambridge Audio S30s or the Ascend CBM 170 SEs, but they're a tough sell due to their plain, boxy appearance.
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A happy wife makes up for many perceived or real shortcomings.

As a "concession" to her, get the SB-2000 (still in the outlet). ;)

Enjoy it.

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I'm getting very close to deciding... I hope.

This is my current proposed lineup, including the receiver:

- Denon x1000
- EMP Tek E5Bi pair with matching center
- Polk OWM3 surround speakers
- SVS PB-1000 (or the SB-2000 to save a little space)

Does that sound like a nice system?

My wife did get a look at the Wharfedale Diamond 10.1s and really liked the look of them--they would push my budget, but if anybody wants to chime in on those as alternatives for my fronts, feedback would be most welcome.

I haven't completely ruled out the Cambridge Audio S30s or the Ascend CBM 170 SEs, but they're a tough sell due to their plain, boxy appearance.

I think that would make a great system!

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I'm getting very close to deciding... I hope.

This is my current proposed lineup, including the receiver:

- Denon x1000
- EMP Tek E5Bi pair with matching center
- Polk OWM3 surround speakers
- SVS PB-1000 (or the SB-2000 to save a little space)

Does that sound like a nice system?

My wife did get a look at the Wharfedale Diamond 10.1s and really liked the look of them--they would push my budget, but if anybody wants to chime in on those as alternatives for my fronts, feedback would be most welcome.

I haven't completely ruled out the Cambridge Audio S30s or the Ascend CBM 170 SEs, but they're a tough sell due to their plain, boxy appearance.

That would be pretty nice. smile.gif

I agree. Go for the SB-2000 and make the wife happy.

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I'm getting very close to deciding... I hope.

This is my current proposed lineup, including the receiver:

- Denon x1000
- EMP Tek E5Bi pair with matching center
- Polk OWM3 surround speakers
- SVS PB-1000 (or the SB-2000 to save a little space)

Does that sound like a nice system?

My wife did get a look at the Wharfedale Diamond 10.1s and really liked the look of them--they would push my budget, but if anybody wants to chime in on those as alternatives for my fronts, feedback would be most welcome.

I haven't completely ruled out the Cambridge Audio S30s or the Ascend CBM 170 SEs, but they're a tough sell due to their plain, boxy appearance.

Time for a curveball - and they use to list for $800 a pair - and they have high resolution
with good detail and definition, for a some-what holographic soundstage presentation.
They woud be $359 a pair and $179 to use one as a center
Boston E40 - and in cherry gloss
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A closer look
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LOL at the comments about keeping my wife happy! I keep telling her she'll be happy when she hears what this setup sounds like--I live in hope! biggrin.gif

How are you EMP owners crossing over the E5Bi's to the sub: are they good for 80 hz?
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Time for a curveball - ...

Sure, more to confuse me but that's OK! tongue.gif
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LOL at the comments about keeping my wife happy! I keep telling her she'll be happy when she hears what this setup sounds like--I live in hope! biggrin.gif

How are you EMP owners crossing over the E5Bi's to the sub: are they good for 80 hz?

See what Audyssey thinks in your room, 80-100Hz is a good choice.

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See what Audyssey thinks in your room, 80-100Hz is a good choice.

Sounds good, thanks.

I think I'm ready to start ordering--I'm just going to sleep on it before finally deciding between the EMPs as opposed to the Cambridge S30s (I've eliminated the Ascends for aesthetic reasons). I keep reading so many good things about the S30s that even though I prefer the look of the EMPs, I just have to give the others some final consideration.

Has anybody heard both the EMP E5Bi and the Cambridge Audio S30s to compare the two directly?
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