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You have picked out some good equipment. What exactly about the configuration do you have questions about? My first thought is that you might need additional subwoofers especially since the system is mainly for movies.
Yep, I wrote in scheme that I will buy ASW610 this fall. The main question is, if an 6009 powerful enough to drive 684 s2 (and asw610 later) since i know all B&W speakers needs alot of power? If Marantz amplifiers match good to B&W speakers? Sure it's all pretty subjective, but i would appreciate hearing your thoughts on it.

And additional question, what do you think about B&W M1 on rears to play together wir 684s2 and asw610? Will it keeps the overall soundstage and tonality of the surround?
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Yep, I wrote in scheme that I will buy ASW610 this fall. The main question is, if an 6009 powerful enough to drive 684 s2 (and asw610 later) since i know all B&W speakers needs alot of power? If Marantz amplifiers match good to B&W speakers? Sure it's all pretty subjective, but i would appreciate hearing your thoughts on it.

And additional question, what do you think about B&W M1 on rears to play together wir 684s2 and asw610? Will it keeps the overall soundstage and tonality of the surround?
The 6009 should be plenty for the 684s. However, the 684s are pretty lean on bass so you will notice a big improvement once you add the subwoofer. The ASW610 is great for music but you might want to consider SVS, HSU research, or Rythmik subwoofers for HT (they're really better for everything for the same price as the ASW610).

The M1s should be just fine for surround duty. The one exception is if you will be listening to a significant amount of multi-channel music. I would suggest the 686 or 685 instead if you are planning on that.

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Well guys I finally had S1 600 series modified.
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Well guys I finally had S1 600 series modified.
Did you mod them or have someone do it? What changes did you make? Or have made? Do they sound better in your opinion from the changes?

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Did you mod them or have someone do it? What changes did you make? Or have made? Do they sound better in your opinion from the changes?
My buddy did the work, my highs sound better and now I don't need the new 600S2 or CMS2 or Diamonds series speakers and finally my girlfriend and my friends could hear difference sometimes I play a lot music.
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I am curious as well about the modifications that were made.

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I am curious as well about the modifications that were made.
What parts were change I don't know because I'm not physics Engineer, for me I like to race cars so my mindset, how can make it run better same with audio video.
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Hi guys, interesting thread
I heard that the HTM 61 S2 sound is not homogenous with front and doesn't match well.

Voices are richer, more nuanced and full of personality when they’re delivered from the 683s, but when the on-screen dialogue is happening bang in the middle, the centre channel isn’t quite as insightful or layered as we’d like.
Read more at whathifi.com/bw/683-s2-theatre/review#sL9GDeSzZhkc2TjG.99


What are your knowledge about and what is best center channel for the 685 S2?
Should be better the old series CM1 + CMC?
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Hi guys, interesting thread
I heard that the HTM 61 S2 sound is not homogenous with front and doesn't match well.

Voices are richer, more nuanced and full of personality when they’re delivered from the 683s, but when the on-screen dialogue is happening bang in the middle, the centre channel isn’t quite as insightful or layered as we’d like.
Read more at whathifi.com/bw/683-s2-theatre/review#sL9GDeSzZhkc2TjG.99


What are your knowledge about and what is best center channel for the 685 S2?
Should be better the old series CM1 + CMC?
I read the review too. They refer to the KEF as the gold standard. It also costs a bit more and is bookshelf based.

In my opinion, it might be hard to get as smooth as the KEF with their coaxial design. Even with a CM Series Center. There might still be a slight sadness in blending, which is common for centers that aren't identical to the sides. I think the best center for the 685 S2 would be another 685 S2. Too bad they aren't sold in singles! Outside that, I really couldn't say. I'd assume a CM series center would be great.

If you're thinking CM1 + CMC would be better, I'd just audition. My guess is yes, CM series would sound better - just due to being a higher end speaker - but I don't know from experience.

Anyone else tried any particular centers with 685 S2?

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I read the review too. They refer to the KEF as the gold standard. It also costs a bit more and is bookshelf based.

In my opinion, it might be hard to get as smooth as the KEF with their coaxial design. Even with a CM Series Center. There might still be a slight sadness in blending, which is common for centers that aren't identical to the sides. I think the best center for the 685 S2 would be another 685 S2. Too bad they aren't sold in singles! Outside that, I really couldn't say. I'd assume a CM series center would be great.

If you're thinking CM1 + CMC would be better, I'd just audition. My guess is yes, CM series would sound better - just due to being a higher end speaker - but I don't know from experience.

Anyone else tried any particular centers with 685 S2?
I have CM S1 work fine too me.
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Hi guys, interesting thread
I heard that the HTM 61 S2 sound is not homogenous with front and doesn't match well.

Voices are richer, more nuanced and full of personality when they’re delivered from the 683s, but when the on-screen dialogue is happening bang in the middle, the centre channel isn’t quite as insightful or layered as we’d like.
Read more at whathifi.com/bw/683-s2-theatre/review#sL9GDeSzZhkc2TjG.99


What are your knowledge about and what is best center channel for the 685 S2?
Should be better the old series CM1 + CMC?
This article mentions pretty good center blending in two places:

http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...caO3peRxUzp.97

"While the film’s 1965 audio is often limited by its pinched dynamics, limited frequency range, and distortion, the dialogue, with occasional exceptions, is very natural sounding. This was particularly evident in the movie’s use of steered dialogue. This technique, rarely used today, positions voices wherever the actors happen to be on the screen. The left-center-right vocal timbre over the B&Ws remained believably consistent. This surprised me a bit, since in my balance check of the speakers (using band-limited pink noise), the HTM61 S2 center sounded more closed-in than did the left and right 683 S2s. But I was never aware of this when watching either this movie or others."

"The HTM61 S2 center speaker was also well matched to the 683 S2s in real-world playback, even when I sat off center."

So there's another viewpoint. My only conclusion? You might want to see if you can find an opportunity to try for yourself.

If you can afford CM1 though, I don't know who wouldn't suggest them over 685. They cost more for a reason and it isn't just the finish. Buy the most speaker you can afford.

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While I was out browsing, found another review:

http://www.trustedreviews.com/bowers...theatre-review

It's an exercise to the reader to decide if they are unbiased

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Whats the lowest you guys have seen B&W stuff? I only see at bestbuy. I may get a pair of 683s plus matching center. Any solid ebay sellers? Refurbs?

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Whats the lowest you guys have seen B&W stuff? I only see at bestbuy. I may get a pair of 683s plus matching center. Any solid ebay sellers? Refurbs?

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Just purchased 685 S2. Now a proud owner of theses speakers. Do the speaker terminals of these speakers not accept banana plugs?
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Assuming they're the same as the 685 s1, you have to take out the caps.


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I have seen red and black circular plastic pieces in between the two hollow cylinders in the speaker terminals. I treid removing them with my nails but unsuccesful. Are these the plastic caps you are referring to?
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Yes. IIRC you unscrew the connectors completely and then you can remove them.


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A detailed article on B&W 683S2 speakers

Found an interesting article on the 683 S2 speakers. Lost of detailed stuff I don't understand. But was interesting to read.

Bowers & Wilkins 683 S2 loudspeaker on Stereophile.com

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Found an interesting article on the 683 S2 speakers. Lost of detailed stuff I don't understand. But was interesting to read.

Bowers & Wilkins 683 S2 loudspeaker on Stereophile.com
Are you surprise on his review? For me I'm not.
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Hey, danielrg,

Thanks for starting this New 600 series thread. Like you said, unless its 800 series things get lost/forgotten pretty quick on the B&W owners forum.

It's been a nearly two year journey but I was able to make a decision/purchase on new speakers and went with Bowers and Wilkins 683 S2. Just really excited and thought I'd share the good news here. I always enjoy posts from people who have acquired new equipment.

Btw, really enjoying your theater build thread. The room looks fantastic!.

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Hey, danielrg,

Thanks for starting this New 600 series thread. Like you said, unless its 800 series things get lost/forgotten pretty quick on the B&W owners forum.

It's been a nearly two year journey but I was able to make a decision/purchase on new speakers and went with Bowers and Wilkins 683 S2. Just really excited and thought I'd share the good news here. I always enjoy posts from people who have acquired new equipment.

Btw, really enjoying your theater build thread. The room looks fantastic!.

Cheers,

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Congrats! The 683 S2 is a fantastic speaker for the price.
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Congrats! The 683 S2 is a fantastic speaker for the price.

Thanks, postrokfan. I believe I read your posts about using the 683 S2 before moving to the CM10 S2, right? The CM10 S2 is an outstanding speaker!
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Thanks, postrokfan. I believe I read your posts about using the 683 S2 before moving to the CM10 S2, right? The CM10 S2 is an outstanding speaker!
That's right. I mainly listen to music and the CM10s do not disappoint.

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Hey, danielrg,

Thanks for starting this New 600 series thread. Like you said, unless its 800 series things get lost/forgotten pretty quick on the B&W owners forum.

It's been a nearly two year journey but I was able to make a decision/purchase on new speakers and went with Bowers and Wilkins 683 S2. Just really excited and thought I'd share the good news here. I always enjoy posts from people who have acquired new equipment.

Btw, really enjoying your theater build thread. The room looks fantastic!.
Thanks!

Funny that I started this thread and didn't own any B&W speakers. Well, that is about to change. I just ordered 2x 683 S2 speakers and an HTM61 S2 center from my local audio dealer - Utah Audio. In fact, they got them in last week but I'm waiting for them to get my Sony projector unit in before I go by to pick it all up.

I'm acquiring a LOT of new equipment in the last two weeks. I've been so busy with school though that I haven't posted any of this to my build thread yet.

I auditioned the 683 S2 and HTM61 speakers for 2 hours a couple weeks ago. I have ear ringing (tinnitus) - not too bad but can be annoying. With some speakers I auditioned, the ringing got worse. With the 683 S2 and HTM61, watching music and movies at fairly high volume for two hours, I was just wanting more. The room wasn't even that great - no treatments on the walls so it was pretty echo-prone. Still, after 2 hours I turn it all off, and my ringing was nearly non-existent, and almost no listening fatigue. I can only imagine that in a properly treated room it would be even better.

That was the case when I auditioned the 683 S1s a couple years ago - so I have been following these speakers because of that. My recent auditioning just confirmed again that it's just my style somehow.

Funny thing is - I ended up buying the exact receiver I auditioned the speakers with, the Marantz SR7009. When it was discontinued for the SR7010, the price dropped in a lot of places from $1999 to $1199. I couldn't pass it up, but the dealer couldn't get any new - so he sold me his floor model for a great price. Had all the accessories in the box still untouched, the unit itself was kept up to date on firmware and hardly touched by customers as it was in a cooled rack and automated.

I too am pretty excited to get them into the room.

For surrounds, I really think the B&W DS3 speakers are kind of lame. They have poor frequency response in bipole mode, and that's how I'd want to use them. They don't even use the tweeter in bipole mode, so I'm paying for a fancy tweeter that wouldn't be on. And due to my narrow room, 685 or 686 speakers weren't what I wanted on the side, I wanted the diffusion of bipoles.

So after a bit of research and listening to a friend's set of Axiom Audio speakers, I bought some Axiom Audio surrounds to use. I'm crossing my fingers that they'll blend well with the B&W front channels. I'm not really too worried though. But if anyone has thoughts on that I'd be happy to hear them!
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Funny that I started this thread and didn't own any B&W speakers. Well, that is about to change. I just ordered 2x 683 S2 speakers and an HTM61 S2 center from my local audio dealer - Utah Audio. In fact, they got them in last week but I'm waiting for them to get my Sony projector unit in before I go by to pick it all up.

I'm acquiring a LOT of new equipment in the last two weeks. I've been so busy with school though that I haven't posted any of this to my build thread yet.

I auditioned the 683 S2 and HTM61 speakers for 2 hours a couple weeks ago. I have ear ringing (tinnitus) - not too bad but can be annoying. With some speakers I auditioned, the ringing got worse. With the 683 S2 and HTM61, watching music and movies at fairly high volume for two hours, I was just wanting more. The room wasn't even that great - no treatments on the walls so it was pretty echo-prone. Still, after 2 hours I turn it all off, and my ringing was nearly non-existent, and almost no listening fatigue. I can only imagine that in a properly treated room it would be even better.

That was the case when I auditioned the 683 S1s a couple years ago - so I have been following these speakers because of that. My recent auditioning just confirmed again that it's just my style somehow.

Funny thing is - I ended up buying the exact receiver I auditioned the speakers with, the Marantz SR7009. When it was discontinued for the SR7010, the price dropped in a lot of places from $1999 to $1199. I couldn't pass it up, but the dealer couldn't get any new - so he sold me his floor model for a great price. Had all the accessories in the box still untouched, the unit itself was kept up to date on firmware and hardly touched by customers as it was in a cooled rack and automated.

I too am pretty excited to get them into the room.

For surrounds, I really think the B&W DS3 speakers are kind of lame. They have poor frequency response in bipole mode, and that's how I'd want to use them. They don't even use the tweeter in bipole mode, so I'm paying for a fancy tweeter that wouldn't be on. And due to my narrow room, 685 or 686 speakers weren't what I wanted on the side, I wanted the diffusion of bipoles.

So after a bit of research and listening to a friend's set of Axiom Audio speakers, I bought some Axiom Audio surrounds to use. I'm crossing my fingers that they'll blend well with the B&W front channels. I'm not really too worried though. But if anyone has thoughts on that I'd be happy to hear them!
You can try M-1's for surrounds
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I don't have the 683s2's/htm61s2 combo, but I do have 805s/htm4s and for surround I have the M-1's and I think they are actually really good!
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I don't have the 683s2's/htm61s2 combo, but I do have 805s/htm4s and for surround I have the M-1's and I think they are actually really good!
Are you and Chise talking about the B&W M1s? Axiom Audio makes M1s also (they are computer speakers)?

I already have my Axiom Audio M2s on the way... but I did think about the M1s. I might augment my 2nd/3rd rows with them to give them a try later on. I have read good things...

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Are you and Chise talking about the B&W M1s? Axiom Audio makes M1s also (they are computer speakers)?

I already have my Axiom Audio M2s on the way... but I did think about the M1s. I might augment my 2nd/3rd rows with them to give them a try later on. I have read good things...
Yes, B&W M-1's
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