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After crossing over my Motion 40s at 90Hz and sometimes 100 Hz for most of the past two years, I took it down to 60 Hz after running REW ... the graph indicated that this would be better than the higher crossover points.

Before getting my Emotive XPA-3, I'd never had considered the 60 Hz crossover, concerned that I might be taxing my Marantz SR5007 too much ... it can get pretty hot during the summer months.

In short, though, the new 60 Hz crossover sounds great, especially on my classical music Blurays & DVDs.

Not sure about the 50XT, but a detailed review on the Motion 40 / 30 / 15 system from Sound and Vision indicated that the -3dB point for the Motion 30 is at 86 Hz ... I therefore crossover the Motion 30 at 90 Hz (the -3dB point for the Motion 40 is 48 Hz).

Looking forward to reading detailed reviews on the XT system ... enjoy your new gear and congrats!

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Hi TomC1315,
Thanks for taking the time to reply! I'm currently running some B&W 683's which go down to 50Hz (+/-3Db) and I have them crossed over at 80Hz. I'm also running power amps (Rotels) so I think things should be ok to drop the 60XT's down to 60Hz. I'll probably keep the 50XT at 80Hz.

Looking forward to setting up the new speakers, unfortunately as they are a combined Christmas / 50th birthday present, my wife insists that I don't open them before christmas.

I noticed you are using LX16's for your rears. Have you heard the Motion FX surround speakers? I need to wall mount my surrounds. The dealer I purchased the speakers from didn't have the FX's set up, so I have not heard them. I was thinking of trying to push the friendship with my wife and squeeze in some FX's for the rears earily in the new year. I'm currently using some Jamo rear speakers and would like to match Martin Logan's all round.

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No Stephen, I haven't heard the Motion FX surrounds, but they appear to be designed well for a wall mounted application ... looks like a fine choice.

Looking forward to reading your reactions/perspective on the new speakers after the holidays :-)

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Motion 30 & 50XT centre cross over points

Hi Guys,
I was looking at the specs for the Motion 30 and 50XT center channels.
The Motion 30 has a crossover of 400 & 2600Hz while the 50XT crosses over at 900 and 2200Hz.
I can understand with the higher number, everything above this goes to the tweeter. But how does the lower number work? Both speakers have a tweeter and two mid-bass drivers (MTM design) . Does it mean that one mid-bass driver handles 400-2600Hz and the second handles everything < 400Hz (in the case of the Motion 30)? I'm a bit confused here as I though both mid-bass drivers worked together?

I'm also curious around the 400 vs 900 Hz crossover difference betweent he motion 30 and 50XT. In the real world what type of difference would this make? I've done some searching but can't find anything explaining why a MTM design centre channel has two cross over points.

Could someone provide an explaination as I'm a bit confused.

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I was looking at the specs for the Motion 30 and 50XT center channels.
The Motion 30 has a crossover of 400 & 2600Hz while the 50XT crosses over at 900 and 2200Hz.
I can understand with the higher number, everything above this goes to the tweeter. But how does the lower number work? Both speakers have a tweeter and two mid-bass drivers (MTM design) . Does it mean that one mid-bass driver handles 400-2600Hz and the second handles everything < 400Hz (in the case of the Motion 30)? I'm a bit confused here as I though both mid-bass drivers worked together?

I'm also curious around the 400 vs 900 Hz crossover difference betweent he motion 30 and 50XT. In the real world what type of difference would this make? I've done some searching but can't find anything explaining why a MTM design centre channel has two cross over points.

Could someone provide an explaination as I'm a bit confused.

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Without the different crossover points for the woofers, one would experience the phenomenon of "lobing" - a circumstance where a horizontally designed speaker's woofers cancel each other out to the degree where the sweet spot becomes quite small.

For a more detailed explanation, google "lobing" ... I'm not sure, though, whether or not both woofers are working up to the first crossover point or not ... my guess is that they are, and that at that point, one of them rolls off. I can certainly tell that, on my Motion 30, only one is working above 400 Hz.

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Without the different crossover points for the woofers, one would experience the phenomenon of "lobing" - a circumstance where a horizontally designed speaker's woofers cancel each other out to the degree where the sweet spot becomes quite small.

For a more detailed explanation, google "lobing" ... I'm not sure, though, whether or not both woofers are working up to the first crossover point or not ... my guess is that they are, and that at that point, one of them rolls off. I can certainly tell that, on my Motion 30, only one is working above 400 Hz.
Hi TomC1315,
Thanks for the great explaination! I'd never heard of "lobing" before, so I'll do some more reading. I had a listen to my current cerntre channel (MTM design to be replaced by the 50XT) and did notice most of the sound coming from the tweeter and some from one of the bass drivers (never realised that before). All very interesting stuff!

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I bought 4 LX-16s and have a pair of Motion 40s coming. . Just experimenting I used an LX-16 as a center last night and it is just seemed a bit week. Has anyone compared the 30 and 50XT centers? I also considering maybe getting a 35XT to use as a center, any thoughts or feedback would be useful.


With 3 LX-16s across the front Audyssey said the Left and Right should be crossed at 90 Hz and the Center at 60 Hz. I crossed them all at 90 HZ. Does the 30 go low enough to cross at 80 Hz?

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I bought 4 LX-16s and have a pair of Motion 40s coming. . Just experimenting I used an LX-16 as a center last night and it is just seemed a bit week. Has anyone compared the 30 and 50XT centers? I also considering maybe getting a 35XT to use as a center, any thoughts or feedback would be useful.


With 3 LX-16s across the front Audyssey said the Left and Right should be crossed at 90 Hz and the Center at 60 Hz. I crossed them all at 90 HZ. Does the 30 go low enough to cross at 80 Hz?

I'd use a Motion 30 for the center if I was you, use the LX 16's for the side and rear surrounds, and with the Motion 40's, you'd be good to go for 7.1 ( with a sub of course ). I'm sure you could set the 30 @ 80 Hz - I usually manually check and change the crossovers after running Audyssey to suit what I think it should be ( I always change my Motion 40 speakers from large to small for instance ).
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I'd use a Motion 30 for the center if I was you, use the LX 16's for the side and rear surrounds, and with the Motion 40's, you'd be good to go for 7.1 ( with a sub of course ). I'm sure you could set the 30 @ 80 Hz - I usually manually check and change the crossovers after running Audyssey to suit what I think it should be ( I always change my Motion 40 speakers from large to small for instance ).
I might not keep all 4 of LX-16s. So your feeling is that there is not much to be gained by the 50XT over the 30. I am not sure I need my Surround Backs to timber match. Have you heard the Motion XT stuff compared to the 40/30/15 stuff. It sure is a bunch more money I have two subs and just picked up a X4000 refurb from accessorie4less to replace my 2112CI. Nice AVR.

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I might not keep all 4 of LX-16s. So your feeling is that there is not much to be gained by the 50XT over the 30. I am not sure I need my Surround Backs to timber match. Have you heard the Motion XT stuff compared to the 40/30/15 stuff. It sure is a bunch more money I have two subs and just picked up a X4000 refurb from accessorie4less to replace my 2112CI. Nice AVR.

I have. The XT speakers are larger and can play louder. In my case ( sitting 12'6" from my from speakers ) I don't need more speaker - the Motion 40's are plenty. If I had a much bigger room I might go for the XT series. Personally I like all my speakers to be timbre matched. In my case I'm using the Motion FX surrounds for side and rear surround speakers. They work great!

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I went ahead and ordered the Motion 30 center. Thanks for the input Craig.


The 40s and LXes are Cherry. The LXes are new, the 40s, refurbished. Ever the cheapskate I ended up ordering a refurbished 30 as well. Only black was available so it won't match color wise but having the center in black will tend to make it disappear which is fine. So for 7 channels I saved a ton over new at BestBuy.


My original thinking was 5 channel with an LX-16 or 30 at the center. I have a big room and the LX-16 just are not appropriate as mains in the 16'x 24' space.
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I went ahead and ordered the Motion 30 center. Thanks for the input Craig.


The 40s and LXes are Cherry. The LXes are new, the 40s, refurbished. Ever the cheapskate I ended up ordering a refurbished 30 as well. Only black was available so it won't match color wise but having the center in black will tend to make it disappear which is fine. So for 7 channels I saved a ton over new at BestBuy.


My original thinking was 5 channel with an LX-16 or 30 at the center. I have a big room and the LX-16 just are not appropriate as mains in the 16'x 24' space.
That worked out quite well for you ... congrats :-)

And the Denon AVR is a fine one as well ... both my son and myself also went the Acc4Less route for our AVRs, and are pleased with the savings and results.

Do you have a sub in the system?

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I went ahead and ordered the Motion 30 center. Thanks for the input Craig.


The 40s and LXes are Cherry. The LXes are new, the 40s, refurbished. Ever the cheapskate I ended up ordering a refurbished 30 as well. Only black was available so it won't match color wise but having the center in black will tend to make it disappear which is fine. So for 7 channels I saved a ton over new at BestBuy.


My original thinking was 5 channel with an LX-16 or 30 at the center. I have a big room and the LX-16 just are not appropriate as mains in the 16'x 24' space.

You are going to love the Motion 40's - I love mine. And before anyone buys Martin Logan speakers at Best Buy, give us a call ( or an email ) at A V Science and see what we can do for you. We are authorized dealers.

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You are going to love the Motion 40's - I love mine. And before anyone buys Martin Logan speakers at Best Buy, give us a call ( or an email ) at A V Science and see what we can do for you. We are authorized dealers.

Next time I will get you to quote. It was done in bits and pieces from a couple of authorized dealers. I didn't intend to spend so much. Straight web prices. Never spoke to a soul, well 5 minutes at BestBuy a month ago. II never buy anything from them that isn't a price match.


Hard to tell refurbished from new. I tried to get the 40s setup and in place before the wife noticed... I was quick but not that quick. I got a really dirty look before I could get the second 40 out of the box. Not a word was said.

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The Motion 40s hmm lovin' it. I just unplugged the LX-16s and didn't even run Audyssey again just using the LX-16 settings. An amazing set of speakers, WOW!
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Next time I will get you to quote. It was done in bits and pieces from a couple of authorized dealers. I didn't intend to spend so much. Straight web prices. Never spoke to a soul, well 5 minutes at BestBuy a month ago. II never buy anything from them that isn't a price match.


Hard to tell refurbished from new. I tried to get the 40s setup and in place before the wife noticed... I was quick but not that quick. I got a really dirty look before I could get the second 40 out of the box. Not a word was said.

While I can sometimes run into that problem with my wife, she loves the sound in the home theater now. I think the pleated tweeter sound is more pleasing to her ears. Anyway, I do things like paint the walls in the theater flat black when she's out of town, so speakers don't seem so bad to her compared to that ( as long as they aren't replaced more than every 5 years or so ) !

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Can anyone recommend a good wall or corner mount bracket that has the right bolt size for the LX-16/Motion 15?

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Help! Motion 30 center trouble

I need some help or at least suggestions. I installed the Motion 30 on Friday and ran Audyssey. I have a Denon X4000 so I have the XT32 version. It recommended a 60 HZ crossover. Now I know that is wrong but even at 90 Hz the Motion 30 spits on male voices particularly sports announcers. I can largely eliminate it by crossing at 110 HZ but not entirely. The voices still have a raspy sound when the spoken phrase.


It is less noticeable in Direct modes. When I temporarily had an LX-16 as a center it behaved the same way. I get virtually none of that sound with Motion 40s if I play the same programming in stereo mode.


The 30 is not a cheap piece. I have several center speakers in the house and none do this. I can also tame it by plugging the port but that just sounds bad all the way around. So what is everybody doing with there centers to get theirs to work unobtrusively?

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I need some help or at least suggestions. I installed the Motion 30 on Friday and ran Audyssey. I have a Denon X4000 so I have the XT32 version. It recommended a 60 HZ crossover. Now I know that is wrong but even at 90 Hz the Motion 30 spits on male voices particularly sports announcers. I can largely eliminate it by crossing at 110 HZ but not entirely. The voices still have a raspy sound when the spoken phrase.


It is less noticeable in Direct modes. When I temporarily had an LX-16 as a center it behaved the same way. I get virtually none of that sound with Motion 40s if I play the same programming in stereo mode.


The 30 is not a cheap piece. I have several center speakers in the house and none do this. I can also tame it by plugging the port but that just sounds bad all the way around. So what is everybody doing with there centers to get theirs to work unobtrusively?
My Motion 30 has worked without issue the entire time I've had it ... I'm sorry to hear of your difficulties. BTW, I cross mine over @ 90Hz.
How is the LX16 performing elsewhere in your system?

Have you tried connecting the Motion 30 to either the L or R Motion 40 wire to hear how it performs there to see if it may be something other than the speaker?

The other center speakers in the house ... have they been hooked up to your AVR/amp since the MLs have been?

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I need some help or at least suggestions. I installed the Motion 30 on Friday and ran Audyssey. I have a Denon X4000 so I have the XT32 version. It recommended a 60 HZ crossover. Now I know that is wrong but even at 90 Hz the Motion 30 spits on male voices particularly sports announcers. I can largely eliminate it by crossing at 110 HZ but not entirely. The voices still have a raspy sound when the spoken phrase.


It is less noticeable in Direct modes. When I temporarily had an LX-16 as a center it behaved the same way. I get virtually none of that sound with Motion 40s if I play the same programming in stereo mode.


The 30 is not a cheap piece. I have several center speakers in the house and none do this. I can also tame it by plugging the port but that just sounds bad all the way around. So what is everybody doing with there centers to get theirs to work unobtrusively?

You bought a refurbished Motion 30, did you not ? Might still be something wrong with it. That's one reason I never buy refurbished anything. YMMV.

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You bought a refurbished Motion 30, did you not ? Might still be something wrong with it. That's one reason I never buy refurbished anything. YMMV.

A bad Motion 30 is a possibility, I guess. It does not add up to me. The LX-16s, which are new, sound pretty much the same plugged in as a center. I could have a bad receiver except my x4000 and my 2112CI sound the same. Maybe Audyssey is doing crazy stuff. It is better in Direct/Pure Direct mode, not what I expect but better. I have an older Elite Pioneer, and some budget Sony AVRs, here that I could plug in and see howthe 30 sounds driven by something beside Denon/Audyssey.


It is tolerable crossed at 120 HZ. Definitely should not have to cross a $600 center that high. Right now I just don't have the time to sort it out. After the first of the year I will do some more testing.


I have actually had better luck with refurbished than with new. I don't buy a lot of refurbished stuff, but if the price is attractive I will consider it. I only avoid something refurbished if it is a failure prone device like a laptop or LCD panel with a 90 day warranty. Nothing worse than a $1000 boat anchor that is 91 days old. Each to their own on that. I expected a much better center speaker based on the MSRP, it is what is.



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A bad Motion 30 is a possibility, I guess. It does not add up to me. The LX-16s, which are new, sound pretty much the same plugged in as a center. I could have a bad receiver except my x4000 and my 2112CI sound the same. Maybe Audyssey is doing crazy stuff. It is better in Direct/Pure Direct mode, not what I expect but better. I have an older Elite Pioneer, and some budget Sony AVRs, here that I could plug in and see howthe 30 sounds driven by something beside Denon/Audyssey.


It is tolerable crossed at 120 HZ. Definitely should not have to cross a $600 center that high. Right now I just don't have the time to sort it out. After the first of the year I will do some more testing.


I have actually had better luck with refurbished than with new. I don't buy a lot of refurbished stuff, but if the price is attractive I will consider it. I only avoid something refurbished if it is a failure prone device like a laptop or LCD panel with a 90 day warranty. Nothing worse than a $1000 boat anchor that is 91 days old. Each to their own on that. I expected a much better center speaker based on the MSRP, it is what is.



BTW does anyone have a suggestion for good wall brackets for the Motion LX-16/15s?

Maybe a bad speaker wire to your center channel ?


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After looking online for a week and trying to pick out some speakers, I stumbled upon this forum and saw a post by Mike Garrett at AV science regarding the Motion speakers and emailed him to ask some questions and for recommendations.

I called him the next day and bought a pair of Martin Logan Motion 60XT for left and rights, a Motion SLM XL for center, and two Motion FX as surrounds. I called a couple of days later to order a Parasound A3 amplifier as well.

This was my first time ordering electronics over the phone and not only did I get a great deal on my purchases, but the customer service was outstanding with quick email responses and great assistance over the phone.

If you are in the market for some speakers or equipment, I would definitely recommend AV Science and Mike Garrett. They don't really show or sell any products on their website, but if you see any brands that you are interested in and they carry, just give them a call at 585-671-2968.

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After looking online for a week and trying to pick out some speakers, I stumbled upon this forum and saw a post by Mike Garrett at AV science regarding the Motion speakers and emailed him to ask some questions and for recommendations.

I called him the next day and bought a pair of Martin Logan Motion 60XT for left and rights, a Motion SLM XL for center, and two Motion FX as surrounds. I called a couple of days later to order a Parasound A3 amplifier as well.

This was my first time ordering electronics over the phone and not only did I get a great deal on my purchases, but the customer service was outstanding with quick email responses and great assistance over the phone.

If you are in the market for some speakers or equipment, I would definitely recommend AV Science and Mike Garrett. They don't really show or sell any products on their website, but if you see any brands that you are interested in and they carry, just give them a call at 585-671-2968.


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How do you like the Motion SLM XL? I just upgraded to a 70" Sony TV and was thinking about that center along with some Martin Logan in-walls for LR.
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Maybe a bad speaker wire to your center channel ?
It just may be. I tried my AJ Pioneer on that wire and it was fine, I had been running a PSB Image Center on that wire for going on 10 years and it had bee working fine. I don't recall why it but it was a skinnier gage wire than to my fronts. I found I had a small length of the same 14 gage wire I had going to my fronts and I hooked it up.


It sounds a lot better on the bigger cable. I won't know for sure till I hear ESPN do their next NFL game. Mike Tirico's voice gave the Motion 30 fits on the 16 gage wire. It is crossed at 80 Hz now and not spitting. I don't get it. The wire I had to the center is the same as what is in my walls to my surrounds. I had zero issues with that wiring with the PSB towers as side surrounds and PSB bookshelves as rear surrounds.

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It just may be. I tried my AJ Pioneer on that wire and it was fine, I had been running a PSB Image Center on that wire for going on 10 years and it had bee working fine. I don't recall why it but it was a skinnier gage wire than to my fronts. I found I had a small length of the same 14 gage wire I had going to my fronts and I hooked it up.


It sounds a lot better on the bigger cable. I won't know for sure till I hear ESPN do their next NFL game. Mike Tirico's voice gave the Motion 30 fits on the 16 gage wire. It is crossed at 80 Hz now and not spitting. I don't get it. The wire I had to the center is the same as what is in my walls to my surrounds. I had zero issues with that wiring with the PSB towers as side surrounds and PSB bookshelves as rear surrounds.
When I replaced my old speakers with new Martin Logan Motion speakers, I replaced the 16 gauge speaker wire I had originally installed, with 12 gauge wire. You can buy spools of good 12 gauge wire from Monoprice cheap enough. http://www.monoprice.com/Search/Inde...d=speaker+wire


Get some 12 gauge wire - then report back.

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How do you like the Motion SLM XL? I just upgraded to a 70" Sony TV and was thinking about that center along with some Martin Logan in-walls for LR.
Hey mmarki, I tested it shortly to make sure it was working, but have not actually mounted or used it for listening yet. Just using my Denon 3313CI receiver, it played audio loud and clear and then i moved on to test the other speakers. I will post again once it is all set up!
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Hi Guys,
Well after 5 weeks sitting in boxes, I finally got to set up my 50 and 60XT's on Christmas day. I was starting to get a little "buyers remorse" as I was thinking, are these going to be that much better than my current setup (B&W 683's and a large centre channel from an Australian brand that uses the same drivers as the 683's)?

The gloss black fit and finish of the motion speakers is first rate. The 60XT's tower over the 683's, which are not small speakers themselves. Even thought the 60XT's are a much larger speaker, the WAF is higher as my better half commented how nice the finish was on them and how well they matched on Sony 65" X900 TV (all gloss black).

I was a little concerned that the 50XT centre channel would not have the same amount of depth and body of the unit it replaced as my old unit was larger. This provided to be unfounded as the bass response was very similar, but the clarity of the highs on the 50XT where superior.

The "buyers remorse" for the XT's quickly disappeared when I put on The Eagles "Hell freezes over" DVD. The opening strum of the guitar in "Hotel California" had a new level of clarity and detail to it which was very impressive. Vocals where also very clear. I have only watched one movie, but once again the level of detail was great. At one point in the movie a phone rang through the left 60XT. My wife reached for her iPhone. The sound was quite realistic!

I only got to spend a brief amount of time with the 50 and 60XT's as we left on boxing day to visit family over the Christmas break. I'll post some more thoughts when I return and have more listening time.

One of the last things I had to do with the 50 and 60XT's before I left was blu-tack some screen door mesh over the rear ports. We back onto farming land and on rare occasions get a rat in the house. The last thing I want is a rat making a nest inside the 60XT's, or worse dieing in there if it couldn't get out! The mesh shouldn't inhibit air flow, but should keep any vermin out The B&W 683's had their ports on the front and covered by the speaker grill - First world problem, protecting your expensive speakers from rats!

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I can get a pair of XT60 as new condition from cl for 1800. is that a good deal? How XT60 compare to paradigm studio 100s? thanks a lot
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I can get a pair of XT60 as new condition from cl for 1800. is that a good deal? How XT60 compare to paradigm studio 100s? thanks a lot
Hi Atx2014,
I can't comment on the price as I'm not in the USA. I did however compare the Paradigm studio 100's to the Martin Logan 60XT's as the dealer had both. I preferred the 60XT's as the mid range sounded more open than the studio 100's. From memory everything else was fairly similar, but I'm a bit vague as it was awhile ago now.

I did have a good listen to the 60XT's last night in straight stereo mode. Now I understand why people like ribbon tweeters! The stereo imaging was very good and voices just seem to "float" in the middle of the speakers. The sound all round was crisp and the bass tight. Really impressed with these speakers so far.

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I can get a pair of XT60 as new condition from cl for 1800. is that a good deal? How XT60 compare to paradigm studio 100s? thanks a lot
Well, I paid $1,650 for my dark cherry Motion 40s two years ago ... that appears to be a good price. Off of craigslist? I'd insist on being able to give them a good listen to, and if they sound to be in good working order, why not pull the trigger?

I've had no thoughts of "what about" other speakers in the past two years ( until the XTs came out :-) ... quite happy with my Motion rig.

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