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post #1081 of 1249 Old 12-11-2018, 01:42 PM
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Geoff....thanks.
I built a couple of systems through Best Buy since they are local to me.
Here’s what I came up with:

System 1
2 Motion 40’s L/R: $1800
1 Motion 50XT center: $855
1 Yamaha RX A1080 to drive center channel: $1200
1 Rega Planar 2 turntable:$675
1 Panamax power conditioner/surge protector: $430
McIntosh 2105 power amp to drive Motion 40s: $0
Total: $4960

System 2
2 Motion 35XT L/R: $1100
1 Motion 50XT center: $855
1 Yamaha RX A 1080: $1200
1 SVS 500 watt 12” sealed sub: $800
1 Rega Planar 2 turntable: $675
1 Panamax surge protector: $430
Pair of B&W STAV 24 speaker stands: $150
MC 2105 power a person: $0
Total: $5210

Price-wise, the two systems are about a wash. I suppose I could knock off $300 on system 2 by using a third 35XT for the center channel.

Sonically, system 2 might be a bit better, particularly when it comes to bass response.
The SVS sub has a pretty small footprint: 14”x14”x14” so placement shouldn’t be too much of a problem, plus it’s sealed.

I’m going to Best Buy to at least listen to floor standers vs the bookshelves and sub. I’m thinking the latter just might come out on top.
Any thoughts? Any changes to the above?
Thanks
I've never ever used a Power Conditioner and I started back in the 70s with my first real speaker system.

The $600 Denon 3400 has pre outs and excellent EQ.

The $900 Denon 4400 adds a bit more power, better EQ still and best of all a separate setup menu for stereo Direct where you can choose to add a sub, or not, and have a separate crossover from the Movie 5.1 crossover if you wish among other customization.

I'd get a sealed Rhythmik over a sealed SVS in the $800-$1200 price range; I've had sealed servo subs since 1989 and they work as advertised.

Tight punchy deep bass without flab or overhang.

Plus, in that price range, Rhythmik offers EQ options while SVS does not.

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So I have 2x Martin Logan 10 for l|r, motion 40 for center and motion 4s for surround and surround back

I need a new avr and been trying to figure out if I should get an amp or not

I still need the avr but it seems none of them can driver these the way they need too

Should I also get 3 channel amp for my front 3??
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So I have 2x Martin Logan 10 for l|r, motion 40 for center and motion 4s for surround and surround back

I need a new avr and been trying to figure out if I should get an amp or not

I still need the avr but it seems none of them can driver these the way they need too

Should I also get 3 channel amp for my front 3??
Just buy the Denon 3400 at $600 and if you feel the need add an amp to drive the center if surround movies are your priority or to drive the left and right if music is the priority.

Emotiva makes nice amps.

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I've never ever used a Power Conditioner and I started back in the 70s with my first real speaker system.

The $600 Denon 3400 has pre outs and excellent EQ.

The $900 Denon 4400 adds a bit more power, better EQ still and best of all a separate setup menu for stereo Direct where you can choose to add a sub, or not, and have a separate crossover from the Movie 5.1 crossover if you wish among other customization.

I'd get a sealed Rhythmik over a sealed SVS in the $800-$1200 price range; I've had sealed servo subs since 1989 and they work as advertised.

Tight punchy deep bass without flab or overhang.

Plus, in that price range, Rhythmik offers EQ options while SVS does not.
The reason for a power conditioner/surge protector is to protect my electronics from power spikes or outages that could fry the system. Power grid here can be a bit unstable at times.

Listened to a pair of Motion 15s hooked up to a Motion sub and I have to admit i perferred it to the Motion 40s on their own. Do you think the 35XTs would up the game?

Thinking more about the 15s, a 50XT, and a pair of sealed 10-inch subs.
I’ll look into the Denon, too.

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The reason for a power conditioner/surge protector is to protect my electronics from power spikes or outages that could fry the system. Power grid here can be a bit unstable at times.

Listened to a pair of Motion 15s hooked up to a Motion sub and I have to admit i perferred it to the Motion 40s on their own. Do you think the 35XTs would up the game?

Thinking more about the 15s, a 50XT, and a pair of sealed 10-inch subs.
I’ll look into the Denon, too.

Thanks
You can buy a surge protector with 6 plugs at Crutchfield for $40 or a Conditioner/Surge protector for as little as $79.

Can't think why you would want to spend more.

https://www.crutchfield.com/S-oXN27C...ditioners.html

I have LX16s with dual subs in my secondary room, they are identical to the Motion 15s and are just $240 each on Amazon.

You'd have to compare the LX16 or Motion 15 to the 35XTs to decide but for mostly movies I doubt you'd notice much difference as for movies the center and subwoofer are more important than the left and right.

Happy hunting.

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So I have 2x Martin Logan 10 for l|r, motion 40 for center and motion 4s for surround and surround back

I need a new avr and been trying to figure out if I should get an amp or not

I still need the avr but it seems none of them can driver these the way they need too

Should I also get 3 channel amp for my front 3??
If you do get a 3 channel amp for the L / C / R, you'll always be able to use the amps in the future, and should have plenty of power. I got an Emotiva XPA 200 amp back when I had a Denon X 4520, to run my Motion 40's ( and to go from 9 channels to 11 ). Then used it with my Denon X 7200. Then decided to add a Parasound New Classic 275 v.2 for the center channel. I'm still using the amps, but now with a Denon X8500 and 9.4.4 speaker set up ( Martin Logan Motion 40’s ( 2 ), Motion SLM XL center speaker, Motion FX surrounds ( 4 ), Motion LX16 wide channel speakers ( 2 ) , Motion 4 heights ( 4 ), two SVS PC 12 Plus cylinder subs , two SVS SB2000 subs ). Good amps will last a long time. I wish I'd gotten a good 3 channel amp to begin with !

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Hi. I’ve been considering buying either the motion 40s or 60s. I already own a pair of Ethos in a different location. Whenever I’ve heard the motion speakers(just a few times, not extensively) I’ve been very impressed with the very detailed sound throughout the audio spectrum, pretty impressive. They seem to always sound better than the more costly B&W or other box speakers at BB, that stuff sounds like mud by comparison. It’s interesting to note that the 60s as well as the monitors have the bigger tweeter which results in much worse vertical dispersion. Typically the smaller the tweeter the better, much less cancellation, might explain why the 60s don’t sound as “bright” as the 40s, very well may be less extended high end of larger tweeter due to cancellation, not a good thing. But there is no denying that the 60s can move way more air than the 40s, bigger woofers and cabinets, a trade off. ML should have used the smaller tweeter in the 60s as well, imo. Anyway looking to hear some feedback from those who have compared the motion 40 and 60s to other speakers and hear your thoughts. Also has anyone compared the motions to any ML els speakers? Thoughts there? Thanks. Regards. Ned.

I invested a few weeks listening to as many speakers I could get to as, in my mind, written reviews are always trumped by what my ears hear in person. I've listened to the Motion 20, 40, 60 along with three ML ESL's (ESL, ESL X and Classic ESL 9). The extraordinary tweeter sound (responsive, clean, some say bright but without wearing on your hearing) is nearly all there transitioning from the 60XT to the ESL X -- ML did a great job capturing the same family of sound signature across the two designs. The ESL's didn't work for me given their more narrow sweet spot design as I'm using them in a dedicated home theater (seeking many good seats rather than one great seat).


I, too, couldn't decide between the 30 and 50 for the center even when listening in the store's listening room. So, I bought both and trialed them at home. After about 5 minutes of 30 vs 50, it was the 50 for me (2500 cuft space).



Before settling on the ML family, I did listen compare against the full Best Buy catalog (MA Design Center has a very very nice set of listening rooms) as well as visiting a few other specialty audio dealers to see if there was something I was missing. In each visit, after an hour or so of listing across the various models, when the ML Motion 20 or 40 was rotated in, I smiled. When a 60XT was rotated in, I had a broad knowing smile -- this was the sound signature for me.


Absolutely no regrets.



I now have a pair of SVS PB-2000's coming in to fill out the low end.



Currently, my 7.1.4 HT setup is driven by a Denon AVR6300 and, while it does heat up, it doesn't get overly hot and can drive these quite loud. I'm looking forward to swapping into the 7.2.4 arrangement this weekend and doing the sub crawl.



I currently use the dedicated hometheater for straight music listening as well (nice soundproofed and acoustically tuned/dampened room). Music sounds fantastic with 2-channel content. Movie soundtracks (2-channel, 5.1 or Atmos) sound great. Center channel is always crystal clear for both male and female voices (even low-talkers). We just can't tell if a given soundtrack is using the center or not without getting up and putting an ear to the center as they blend so well across the three fronts.


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Any advise on a center channel stand for the ML Motion 50xt given a screen height of 23 1/2" (from carpet up to bottom edge of usable portion of screen - skipping frame) - which is to say a 16" high stand?

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If you do get a 3 channel amp for the L / C / R, you'll always be able to use the amps in the future, and should have plenty of power. I got an Emotiva XPA 200 amp back when I had a Denon X 4520, to run my Motion 40's ( and to go from 9 channels to 11 ). Then used it with my Denon X 7200. Then decided to add a Parasound New Classic 275 v.2 for the center channel. I'm still using the amps, but now with a Denon X8500 and 9.4.4 speaker set up ( Martin Logan Motion 40’s ( 2 ), Motion SLM XL center speaker, Motion FX surrounds ( 4 ), Motion LX16 wide channel speakers ( 2 ) , Motion 4 heights ( 4 ), two SVS PC 12 Plus cylinder subs , two SVS SB2000 subs ). Good amps will last a long time. I wish I'd gotten a good 3 channel amp to begin with !
1. how does the amp let you from 9 channels to 11?

2. if i get a 3 channel amp, will the surround channels now get extra power ? since only 4 channels and not 7 are getting driven now correct?
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1. how does the amp let you from 9 channels to 11?

2. if i get a 3 channel amp, will the surround channels now get extra power ? since only 4 channels and not 7 are getting driven now correct?
The Denon X7200 has 11 channel processing, but only 9 internal amps. The only way to get all 11 channels is with an external amp.

Yes, if you use an external amp for the from 3 speakers, the receiver will have more power available from the internal amps for the remaining speakers.
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Any advise on a center channel stand for the ML Motion 50xt given a screen height of 23 1/2" (from carpet up to bottom edge of usable portion of screen - skipping frame) - which is to say a 16" high stand?
I think Sanus makes one that might work.
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I think Sanus makes one that might work.

From the Sanus website, I can only find a BF16 bookshelf at 16" or an SFC18 center channel specific at 18":

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Checking on Amazon.com, I can find BF16B Sanus stands (pair):





I'm not really clear how to securely afix my ML 50XT onto either. Any hints on how others have securely mounted their center channel to the stand (either something like an SFC18 or onto a pair of BF16B's?


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From the Sanus website, I can only find a BF16 bookshelf at 16" or an SFC18 center channel specific at 18":


I'm not really clear how to securely afix my ML 50XT onto either. Any hints on how others have securely mounted their center channel to the stand (either something like an SFC18 or onto a pair of BF16B's?


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I've used " Earthquake Putty " to " attach " my LX16 speakers to a pair of Sanus steel stands. They have been stuck on with that putty for over 5 years now.

Maybe two BF16's would work - don't they come in pairs anyway ?
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I'm using a sanus bookshelf stand as my center stand (I think it's the BF16B model).

A couple of quick comments about it:

Top plate is like 7x7, so make sure your center can fit onto the thing, or at least be balanced on it.
It's also not really 16" high ... Sanus counts the spikes, so if you don't use them, it's more like 14.5" high (or thereabouts).

It works fine for my center, but my center is on the smalller side. Larger centers in theory can fit, just that it looks kind of weird and balance may be an issue. I use tack and a little bar of plastic on mine w/ foam to angle the speaker up, and the tack keeps it all secure.

For larger centers, I am guessing 2 stands may be needed. Only potential issue is when centers are really deep, then they may not fit so well if you need to do any angling.

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Does anyone own the X3 Soundbar and can comment on it as a front sound stage in a very large room?
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Does anyone own the X3 Soundbar and can comment on it as a front sound stage in a very large room?
Crutchfield will give you 60 days to try at home with a $10 return shipping fee.

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Crutchfield will give you 60 days to try at home with a $10 return shipping fee.
Do you know how to mount the X3 flush on the wall and where the wires would need to come out from the wall?

It seems like a tight fit and not much room to hide the wires coming from the wall and seems like extra length would sag out bottom
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Do you know how to mount the X3 flush on the wall and where the wires would need to come out from the wall?

It seems like a tight fit and not much room to hide the wires coming from the wall and seems like extra length would sag out bottom
The connections are counter sunk so using bare wire, (not banana plugs), will not add to the depth at all, the wire simply goes out the channel made at the bottom of the speaker.

Not sure I see a problem at all.

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I'm using one in a small room and it puts out some serious sound. I'm no audiophile but I think it sounds amazing. I previously had a Bose Soundtouch 300 and it's a night and day difference between the two
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I'm using one in a small room and it puts out some serious sound. I'm no audiophile but I think it sounds amazing. I previously had a Bose Soundtouch 300 and it's a night and day difference between the two
So you got the X3 after all?

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Well my dynamo 700 sub is now making popping sounds when its in stand-by, looks like the amp is cooked.

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Well my dynamo 700 sub is now making popping sounds when its in stand-by, looks like the amp is cooked.
If it's less than 3 years old you might have a warranty claim.

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Hey everyone, I have the opportunity to purchase a mint-condition pair of Martin Logan request's. I can also get the martinlogan sources for about $400 less than the requests used. I know the requests are a higher-end model, but they are much older so I was curious as to what you guys think between the two sets. I just recently acquired a Martin Logan descent subwoofer for free, so that should decently mate up okay with either set of speakers. I have really always liked electrostatic speakers, and I have only heard the Martin Logan sources years ago at Best Buy. My listening habits tend to be more on the stronger bass side of things, but I was pretty happy with how the source's sounded. That being said are the requests worth the extra money in perfect condition? I'm assuming with 12 inch woofer in each cabinet, the bass should be a bit stronger. Thanks in advance.
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If it's less than 3 years old you might have a warranty claim.
Sadly no its older then 3, still works and sounds good. When low to no signal it starts popping so I have to shut it off when not in use. I will probably just run it until it blows up completely and see about a new one.

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I've been thinking of upgrading my Motion 30 for the Motion 50XT to pair with my Motion 40's. Is anyone running the same setup or is the 50XT overkill to pair with the Motion 40's?
I have 40's and 50XT my first floor, 50XT tweeters are really nice, nicer than 40's.
One day I will upgrade my 40s to 60s.

And 50XT is not overkill IMO,

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I have 40's and 50XT my first floor, 50XT tweeters are really nice, nicer than 40's.
One day I will upgrade my 40s to 60s.

And 50XT is not overkill IMO,
I am about to list my 9.5/10 60's for sale... where are you located? haha
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I have 40's and 50XT my first floor, 50XT tweeters are really nice, nicer than 40's.
One day I will upgrade my 40s to 60s.

And 50XT is not overkill IMO,
I am about to list my 9.5/10 60's for sale... where are you located? haha
I am in MD and interested possibility.
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I am about to list my 9.5/10 60's for sale... where are you located? haha
I am in Canada, Toronto. you ?

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I am in MD and interested possibility.
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I am in Canada, Toronto. you ?
I live in the Southern NH Area. Speakers are in very very good condition, never smoked, always cared for with microfiber only. Never pushed that far as my living room isn't that large and I don't listen anywhere close to reference levels.
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Anyone with a Motion 30, could you tell me if the height is < or = 6 7/8 or is it > or = 6 15/16?
TIA.
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