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Anyone with a Motion 30, could you tell me if the height is < or = 6 7/8 or is it > or = 6 15/16?
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I just measured mine with a tape measure (burning the first inch to improve precision). Man, it is close but I would assert the front is actually 6 13/16" so 6 7/8 just to be sure.

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Anyone with a Motion 30, could you tell me if the height is < or = 6 7/8 or is it > or = 6 15/16?
TIA.
I just measured mine with a tape measure (burning the first inch to improve precision). Man, it is close [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG] but I would assert the front is actually 6 13/16" so 6 7/8 just to be sure.
Thanks. I ended up purchasing one last week and it fits ever so snugly in my Wigington TV stand. 1/8th an inch more would've been a no go.
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Thanks. I ended up purchasing one last week and it fits ever so snugly in my Wigington TV stand. 1/8th an inch more would've been a no go.
Looks nice... and congrats on the great speaker

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I have 40's and 50XT my first floor, 50XT tweeters are really nice, nicer than 40's.
One day I will upgrade my 40s to 60s.

And 50XT is not overkill IMO,
The smaller tweeter of the Motion 40’s can be an advantage as the larger tweeter in the 60’s has terrible verticle dispersion characteristics and they are tall speakers. Larger diameter tweeters have very bad cancellation issues, that is why almost all high end speakers don’t use anything larger than a 1 inch driver. I just bought a pair of Motion 40’s and the 30 Center. I am thinking of trading up to the 50 center as I think that the 6.5 inch midwoofers should have a much more beefier sound than the 5.5 inch midwoofers of the 30’s. The lesser verticle dispersion of the 50 shouldn’t be an issue as the center sits below my tv, just below ear level. By the way, I went with the new svs sb3000 sub. The system is still breaking in, using the NAD 758 as well. Thanks. Regards. Ned.
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I have 40's and 50XT my first floor, 50XT tweeters are really nice, nicer than 40's.
One day I will upgrade my 40s to 60s.

And 50XT is not overkill IMO,
By the way, my ears tell me that the 40’s are a meaningfully better sounding speaker than the 60’s, faster, more detailed. If you’re using a sub, I would not consider the 60’s to be an upgrade over the 40’s, the 40’s are a brilliant sounding speaker, playing way above their pay grade, sometimes it just all comes together. Don’t be fooled into thinking a bigger tweeter is better, bad cancellation issues and much narrower sweet spot. Regards. Ned.
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Measurements from Soundstage.

Top is Motion 40, bottom is Motion 35XT.

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Measurements from Soundstage.

Top is Motion 40, bottom is Motion 35XT.

https://www.soundstagenetwork.com/in...=16&Itemid=140

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The mike location is definitely picking up some bass cancellation in the mid bass, not surprising given the two woofer configuration. I’m sure that wouldn’t be there with a different microphone location. Thanks. Regards. Ned.
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The mike location is definitely picking up some bass cancellation in the mid bass, not surprising given the two woofer configuration. I’m sure that wouldn’t be there with a different microphone location. Thanks. Regards. Ned.
They are the gold standard for testing and tested dozens of other speakers with similar designs without that dip.

Perhaps you prefer the measurements from Sound and Vision.

In the top chart the Motion 40 is the purple line, Motion 15, (which I have...well actually I have the LX16 which is identical), is the red line.

In the bottom chart the Motion 60XT is the purple line and the 30XT is the red line.

My LX16s did, however, measure very very well in my listening room using REW and Umik.




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My LX16s did, however, measure very very well in my listening room using REW and Umik.
I'm curious, would you be able to share your REW results of the LX16s?
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I'm curious, would you be able to share your REW results of the LX16s?
I knew someone was going to ask that.

The measurements, which like a dummy I didn't save as an image, disappeared from REW and for the life of me I can't find them on my computer.

I gave my Umik to Russdawg1 as I was happy with the results in my room and he as a teen dove into REW head first while I just used it to adjust my MiniDSP settings.

But, in my room, it was not the roller coaster Sound and Vision got with the identical Motion 15 but a nice flattish curve with a mild downward slope above 10khz.

At some point I'll borrow my Umik back from Russ, (he lives 5 miles away), and do the measurements again.

My apologies.

I only save the REW results for my two subs, (my primary reason to get the MiniDSP and Umik), which I used to adjust the parametric EQ on the MiniDSP and as my outboard crossover for my old stereo receiver which lacked sub outs.

As you can see the sub needed a lot of EQing but you can only do so much.

This is "before" and I never did an "after" for some reason but with this scale it looks worse than with a "full" scale.

Needless to say the LX16s above 200 hz did not look like this and I set the MiniDSP crossover to 80hz.
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I gave my Umik to Russdawg1 as I was happy with the results in my room and he as a teen dove into REW head first while I just used it to adjust my MiniDSP settings.
Yeah, I remember reading that in the thread Russdawg1 started. His dad drove him over and was waiting in the car wasn't it?

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But, in my room, it was not the roller coaster Sound and Vision got with the identical Motion 15 but a nice flattish curve with a mild downward slope above 10khz.
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Needless to say the LX16s above 200 hz did not look like this and I set the MiniDSP crossover to 80hz.
Right. That's exactly what I'm interested in. I have the LX16s on my short list as both surrounds and near field / desktop duty (along with Sierra Lunas and KLH Ames) but with the current measurements online, I'm favoring the other two.
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Yeah, I remember reading that in the thread Russdawg1 started. His dad drove him over and was waiting in the car wasn't it?



Right. That's exactly what I'm interested in. I have the LX16s on my short list as both surrounds and near field / desktop duty (along with Sierra Lunas and KLH Ames) but with the current measurements online, I'm favoring the other two.
Ha ha, yes but the second time when I gave him a bunch of old gear I insisted on meeting his Dad who seemed a bit puzzled by his son's recent audio enthusiasm.

It's gotten much much worse since then....................in a good way I think.

I doubt the LX16s sound as good as the Lunas though I enjoy the LX16s a great deal and have zero desire to upgrade despite a relatively unlimited budget.

$10 returns on the KLH at Crutchfield so you might want to start there as they no longer carry the LX16.

If you were nearby I'd loan mine to you.

Just noticed, LX16s $410/pair at Crutchfield outlet so maybe an LX16/Ames shootout!

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They are the gold standard for testing and tested dozens of other speakers with similar designs without that dip.

Perhaps you prefer the measurements from Sound and Vision.

In the top chart the Motion 40 is the purple line, Motion 15, (which I have...well actually I have the LX16 which is identical), is the red line.

In the bottom chart the Motion 60XT is the purple line and the 30XT is the red line.

My LX16s did, however, measure very very well in my listening room using REW and Umik.



Any time you place a microphone at tweeter level relatively close to a speaker with two woofers down below you are going to get all kinds of cancellations, it’s plain physics, going to happen. Place the microphone out in the room where the sound has a chance to reach you more simultaneously from all the drivers and you’ll get completely different results. Of course you’re now at the mercy of potentially horrible room acoustic issues. I’ve built and measured many speaker systems in my day, sometimes they measure great close miked but terrible out in room, always a battle. Hopefully the Dirac on my NAD 758 will flatten the curve. By the way, have you ever compared the motion 30 versus the motion 50 centers. Thanks. Regards. Ned.
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By the way, have you ever compared the motion 30 versus the motion 50 centers. Thanks. Regards. Ned.
No I have not.

I'm perfectly content in my secondary room with the Motion 8 center for my LX16s.

I mostly use it for 2.2 music but every once in a while I watch sports or a movie in 3.2 and, for me, at 10 feet, the Motion 8 works just fine with delivering crystal clear dialog.

I'm sure the Motion 30 is that much better and perhaps the Motion 50 is better still.

I only measured my LX16s, (which measured very nicely in room), not with the Motion 8 in play.

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Looking to add the surrounds to my system and not sure which to go with. Here is my current setup:


1.) Fronts = ML 60XTs
2.) Center = ML 50 XT
3.) Receiver = Yamaha TX RZ 920
4.) Sub = JBL S120Pii

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6.) PS4Pro
7.) 65" Z9D



I am currently wanting to go to a full 5.1 system and going back and forth between the Motion 15s or the 35s. Mostly listen to music (SACDs, FLACs) and the occasional movie. I want to add the LR surrounds first and then look at my sub. As of now, I have no need to go further with Side surrounds or Atmos. Will I really experience a big difference between the 15s and 35s or is there something else I should be looking at?
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Looking to add the surrounds to my system and not sure which to go with. Here is my current setup:


1.) Fronts = ML 60XTs
2.) Center = ML 50 XT
3.) Receiver = Yamaha TX RZ 920
4.) Sub = JBL S120Pii

5.) Oppo 203
6.) PS4Pro
7.) 65" Z9D



I am currently wanting to go to a full 5.1 system and going back and forth between the Motion 15s or the 35s. Mostly listen to music (SACDs, FLACs) and the occasional movie. I want to add the LR surrounds first and then look at my sub. As of now, I have no need to go further with Side surrounds or Atmos. Will I really experience a big difference between the 15s and 35s or is there something else I should be looking at?


If you have the funds you could go to the Motion 40’s as your rears.

I’m using the 15’s though as my rears and they do very well.


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Looking to add the surrounds to my system and not sure which to go with. Here is my current setup:


1.) Fronts = ML 60XTs
2.) Center = ML 50 XT
3.) Receiver = Yamaha TX RZ 920
4.) Sub = JBL S120Pii

5.) Oppo 203
6.) PS4Pro
7.) 65" Z9D



I am currently wanting to go to a full 5.1 system and going back and forth between the Motion 15s or the 35s. Mostly listen to music (SACDs, FLACs) and the occasional movie. I want to add the LR surrounds first and then look at my sub. As of now, I have no need to go further with Side surrounds or Atmos. Will I really experience a big difference between the 15s and 35s or is there something else I should be looking at?

I have 60s and a 50 also. I went with a pair of the Motion FXs for the surrounds. They work well for movies, but since you're mostly interested in surround music the 15s or 35s might be a better bet.
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I am currently wanting to go to a full 5.1 system and going back and forth between the Motion 15s or the 35s. Mostly listen to music (SACDs, FLACs) and the occasional movie. I want to add the LR surrounds first and then look at my sub. As of now, I have no need to go further with Side surrounds or Atmos. Will I really experience a big difference between the 15s and 35s or is there something else I should be looking at?
Motion 15s are cheapest on Amazon at $652/pair, but the identical LX16s are $460/pair here.

That's where I got mine a few years back for $398/pair.

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I am using 15's for surround with 40's and 30 upfront.
Listen to lots of sacd's and very happy with the 15's.
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I'm looking to maybe change out my front 3 speakers to a pair of 35XT's with an XT50 center. Looking for opinions on how these speakers perform for 100% home theater purposes?

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I'm looking to maybe change out my front 3 speakers to a pair of 35XT's with an XT50 center. Looking for opinions on how these speakers perform for 100% home theater purposes?
You already have high quality speakers.

My guess is they might sound more "different" with music but for all movie watching I'd suspect you wouldn't notice much difference unless your center channel for some reason isn't giving you clear dialog.

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You already have high quality speakers.

My guess is they might sound more "different" with music but for all movie watching I'd suspect you wouldn't notice much difference unless your center channel for some reason isn't giving you clear dialog.

not that the center is 'unclear', but I do find it lacking. I'm looking for a really nice center, and then keeping the fronts matched which is why I 'm looking at the 35XT's along with the 50XT possibly.

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not that the center is 'unclear', but I do find it lacking. I'm looking for a really nice center, and then keeping the fronts matched which is why I 'm looking at the 35XT's along with the 50XT possibly.
I don't know what Amazon Canada's charge is to return within 30 days but maybe look into that, (unless you are getting it from somewhere else), and just order the center to see if you like it as it measured very very close the the 35XTs in Sound & Vision's review so if you like the "improvement" of the 50XT you'll likely enjoy the 35XTs as well.

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I don't know what Amazon Canada's charge is to return within 30 days but maybe look into that, (unless you are getting it from somewhere else), and just order the center to see if you like it as it measured very very close the the 35XTs in Sound & Vision's review so if you like the "improvement" of the 50XT you'll likely enjoy the 35XTs as well.

Talked to the dealer the other day (audio shop in Vancouver), I do get a 30-day return window. Also right now MartinLogan is having a sales event, and the price for the 35XT + 50XT combo would run ~$2075 CND (~$1580 US) + taxes. Does that sound about right, or would that be considered a better than average deal?

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Talked to the dealer the other day (audio shop in Vancouver), I do get a 30-day return window. Also right now MartinLogan is having a sales event, and the price for the 35XT + 50XT combo would run ~$2075 CND (~$1580 US) + taxes. Does that sound about right, or would that be considered a better than average deal?
The cheapest I can find them new in the US is $1840 so it sounds like you are getting a good deal.

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MArtin Logan 7.2.4 system

I am just about to pull the trigger on a complete Martin Logan 7.x.4


I am pretty set on Motion 60XTs for front and 50XT for center.


Atmos will be 4 EM-ICs


I am on the fence using 2 FX2s for surround and 2 4Is for surround back vs 4 EM-IWs for surround and backs. I know my wife would prefer the IWs.


Room is ~18W x 8H by 18D.

Looking for suggestions. Do we want the more immersive blanket or the spatial sound of the FX2s and 4Is vs 4-EM-IWs?


Setting up for stage 2 projector. 120" screen. 2 row seating. MLP about 10'

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Hey all, I just bought Motion 40s and I also have an SVS SB-1000 sub. 2.1

I need to buy an AVR / amp (do I need one?).

I am going to use this setup for movies and music. I would like the avr to have bluetooth capabilities. For movies do you think I need to buy a center speaker or should I be fine with my current setup?
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Hey all, I just bought Motion 40s and I also have an SVS SB-1000 sub. 2.1

I need to buy an AVR / amp (do I need one?).

I am going to use this setup for movies and music. I would like the avr to have bluetooth capabilities. For movies do you think I need to buy a center speaker or should I be fine with my current setup?
For 2.1 or 3.1 the Denon 2400 on sale at Crutchfield should have all the power you need and if not the Onkyo TXRZ820 most certainly will.

I prefer a center channel for movies and if you have more than one main seating position you will as well.

The Motion 30 is currently on sale at Amazon.

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For 2.1 or 3.1 the Denon 2400 on sale at Crutchfield should have all the power you need and if not the Onkyo TXRZ820 most certainly will.

I prefer a center channel for movies and if you have more than one main seating position you will as well.

The Motion 30 is currently on sale at Amazon.
For impedance will I need to find an AVR that has 4 ohms? Total noob here..
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For impedance will I need to find an AVR that has 4 ohms? Total noob here..
If you go to the Crutchfield site for A/V receivers, one of the choices to use is as a filter is 4 ohm compatibility.

All of those are 4 ohm compatible.

Some Motion 40 owners insist you need a separate amp while others, including myself, do not.

AVS recently tested a Motion 5.1 system with a Denon AVR and found zero issues.

Sound and Vision's review of a Motion 40 5.1 system found no issues either and confirmed the high sensitivity of the speakers which is likely one of the reasons statements like "must have good power to drive them" cannot be found.

https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...eaker-system-0

If you are worried about "my AVR might overheat and shut down" simply buy it from a place like Crutchfield with a good return policy or buy one with pre outs so that if you wish you can add an amp later.

Might even want to talk to them as they sell the 2400 and the Motion 40s and see what they have to say.

The Onkyo has a full complement of pre outs but you have to step up to the Denon 3400 (Amazon has the best price) to get that as the 2400 does not have that capability.

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