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Audyssey in my Marantz 8805 crosses the 50xt at 200 Hz. Seems high I know, but I've grown to rely on its decisions. Maybe because of my Klipsch RSW-12 sub.
Audyssey can be "stupid" and that high a crossover has male voice coming out of the sub.

The green line below is the 50XT and the THX standard 80hz crossover should work just fine no matter what Audyssey indicates.

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Audyssey can be "stupid" and that high a crossover has male voice coming out of the sub.

The green line below is the 50XT and the THX standard 80hz crossover should work just fine no matter what Audyssey indicates.

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Thanks for the heads-up; I've long wondered why it was so far off of THX. I'll give 80 Hz a try, and compare and contrast.
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Thanks for the heads-up; I've long wondered why it was so far off of THX. I'll give 80 Hz a try, and compare and contrast.
I'm an Audyssey fan but it does some dumb dumb stuff sometimes.

The last two Denons I tweaked for friends/family had the smallish towers and dual 5.25" centers/towers as "large" with a ridiculous 40hz crossover and the left/right on Audyssey Bypass with Dynamic EQ "on."

Setting all to "small" with 80hz crossover and Audyssey Reference and Dynamic EQ "off" improved clarity dramatically.

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First of all, I'm going to be referring to two different speakers–the Motion 40 and the Motion 60XT. So, I realize I'm not comparing "apples to apples" here. But, what is the opinion between using a polyester cap vs. a polypropylene cap in a crossover in a speaker? The reason I'm putting this question in this thread is that the '40 uses the polyester cap and the '60 uses the polypropylene cap. I know that the "audiophiles" say the polypropylene cap is the best way to go. But, really, is there that much of a difference? I am not that critical a listener. I'll be using either the '40 or the '60 speakers in my HT. So, what is the opinion out there? Thanks for the responses.
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I'm an Audyssey fan but it does some dumb dumb stuff sometimes.

The last two Denons I tweaked for friends/family had the smallish towers and dual 5.25" centers/towers as "large" with a ridiculous 40hz crossover and the left/right on Audyssey Bypass with Dynamic EQ "on."

Setting all to "small" with 80hz crossover and Audyssey Reference and Dynamic EQ "off" improved clarity dramatically.
I have always had to change my Motion 40's to small after running Audyssey. It get things close, but needs some final tweeking / adjustments. It just becomes 2nd nature to go in, check stuff, and do final settings adjustments after running it. That hasn't changed in 12 years and 3 different Denon receivers !!
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First of all, I'm going to be referring to two different speakers–the Motion 40 and the Motion 60XT. So, I realize I'm not comparing "apples to apples" here. But, what is the opinion between using a polyester cap vs. a polypropylene cap in a crossover in a speaker? The reason I'm putting this question in this thread is that the '40 uses the polyester cap and the '60 uses the polypropylene cap. I know that the "audiophiles" say the polypropylene cap is the best way to go. But, really, is there that much of a difference? I am not that critical a listener. I'll be using either the '40 or the '60 speakers in my HT. So, what is the opinion out there? Thanks for the responses.
I haven't spent much time with the 60's. I own the 40's. I think the 40's sound excellent with both 2 channel music and home theater. I like that the tweeters are at ear level for my seating in the Motion 40's. And in my room, with a 10' seating distance, the 40's are plenty loud. I like the Motion 60's too, but I can't see switching to them at this point - polypropylene cap or not. I am more a movie soundtrack guy than an audiophile though.
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I have a dilemma and looking for sound advise. I currently just started the break in period of the motion 40 and motion 50xt. Love the sound, coming from emotiva xrt 6.2 towers and xrc 5.2 center, but something is itching at me, I'm thinking if I return and get the 60xt I will be satisfied more. Im breaking in the 40s without a sub, but I have an emotiva xrt ref 12 sub that I will pair with these speakers once break in period is over. Im thinking upgrade from 40 to 60xt and keep current sub or get Dynamo 1100X and keep the 40s. Everything will be crossed at around 80-100hz. What do you guys think. Looking foward to you guys opinion in helping me decide which would be a better choice. Am I missing that much with the 40s over the 60, will the dynamo help l. Thanks in advance.
My listening is 50/50 music, TV and music. Im just looking for the best option because I wont be upgrading for a while.



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I have a dilemma and looking for sound advise. I currently just started the break in period of the motion 40 and motion 50xt. Love the sound, coming from emotiva xrt 6.2 towers and xrc 5.2 center, but something is itching at me, I'm thinking if I return and get the 60xt I will be satisfied more. Im breaking in the 40s without a sub, but I have an emotiva xrt ref 12 sub that I will pair with these speakers once break in period is over. Im thinking upgrade from 40 to 60xt and keep current sub or get Dynamo 1100X and keep the 40s. Everything will be crossed at around 80-100hz. What do you guys think. Looking foward to you guys opinion in helping me decide which would be a better choice. Am I missing that much with the 40s over the 60, will the dynamo help l. Thanks in advance.
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What did you wind up doing ? Sometimes it's hard to give other people advise. I've been happy with my Motion 40's for quite a few years, but that doesn't mean you wouldn't be happier with the Motion 60's.
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I stayed with the 40s and 50xt. I just upgraded my sub to dual subs. I have been out of town so really havent had a chance to enjoy them, but I think the dual subs will make a bigger difference than going 60xt route.

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I stayed with the 40s and 50xt. I just upgraded my sub to dual subs. I have been out of town so really havent had a chance to enjoy them, but I think the dual subs will make a bigger difference than going 60xt route.

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Going with two subwoofer does make a big improvement in my experience !
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Just tested my LX16 against the new KLH Albany.

It wasn't even close; the LX16s simply destroy the under performing KLH.

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Just tested my LX16 against the new KLH Albany.

It wasn't even close; the LX16s simply destroy the under performing KLH.

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I see no reason to replace my Motion Series speaker setup. With a Denon X8500 and 13 channels, I'm extremely happy still.
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I see no reason to replace my Motion Series speaker setup. With a Denon X8500 and 13 channels, I'm extremely happy still.
Now you're just showing off!

I was very disappointed how FAR off KLH was as when I tested the LX16s vs the Q Acoustics Concept 20s the difference was razor thin and I would have been happy with either.

The difference between the LX16 and KLH Albany was apparent within 30 seconds of listening, (subdued cymbals/high hat, subdued bass lines), so it wasn't even a contest.

I'm guessing the $93/pr Pioneer BS22s my friend had prior to the Concept 20s would be as good as the almost $500/pr KLH.

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So I finally got a pair of ML Motion 15's. Got a good deal on a used pair, very happy with the sound. Had sold most my stuff a couple months ago and have moved, but still have my NAD D3020. So This little amp can drive these speakers okay, but not what I would be using for my HT setup. I will be getting another pair of 15's and a center channel speaker. And then later I want to add Atmos speakers. So the question I have for any Martin Logan 15 or LX16 owners out there is what power level do you think these speakers sound best at? I've read a couple people's personal reviews that stated they thought the speakers came alive with more power than a standard 100 watt-ish receiver puts out. The fact these are primarily a 4 ohm speaker, some of the amps I'm looking at go up pretty high (like 300w/ch or so) on 4 ohm. That kind of seems like overkill to me. Anyone have a 300 watt amp driving these or anyone done some comparisons? Thanks.
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So I finally got a pair of ML Motion 15's. Got a good deal on a used pair, very happy with the sound. Had sold most my stuff a couple months ago and have moved, but still have my NAD D3020. So This little amp can drive these speakers okay, but not what I would be using for my HT setup. I will be getting another pair of 15's and a center channel speaker. And then later I want to add Atmos speakers. So the question I have for any Martin Logan 15 or LX16 owners out there is what power level do you think these speakers sound best at? I've read a couple people's personal reviews that stated they thought the speakers came alive with more power than a standard 100 watt-ish receiver puts out. The fact these are primarily a 4 ohm speaker, some of the amps I'm looking at go up pretty high (like 300w/ch or so) on 4 ohm. That kind of seems like overkill to me. Anyone have a 300 watt amp driving these or anyone done some comparisons? Thanks.
I use my 50 watt NAD 7250PE receiver from the 80s in 2.2 and has more than enough power and clarity for my listening habits.

They will play louder than I care to listen.

Mind you those old NADs had +6db of short term headroom; rated at 250watts into 4ohms for short term peaks. Your 3020 has 100 watt dynamic peak power into 4 ohms.
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I use my 50 watt NAD 7250PE receiver from the 80s in 2.2 and has more than enough power and clarity for my listening habits.

They will play louder than I care to listen.

Mind you those old NADs had +6db of short term headroom; rated at 250watts into 4ohms for short term peaks. Your 3020 has 100 watt dynamic peak power into 4 ohms.
My D3020 not even close to being loud enough for me. Certain songs, at certain times - I like to crank it!
I decided I do want to get the higher end amp. about 90% set on an ATI NCore 5 channel amp which is rated at 300 watts/ch into 4 ohm.

However, I'm ready to get my additional ML speakers but am thinking I might be more satisfied long term with the 35XT's over the Motion 15's, and just keep the 15's as my surrounds.
I demoed both these about 3 months ago, both sounded great. Anyone gone from the 15's to 35XT's? Besides more bass, any other significant sound differences? I know the 35XT has a much bigger ribbon tweeter. Would like to spend a couple weeks with both to really decide but kind of hard to do that.
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Besides more bass, any other significant sound differences? I know the 35XT has a much bigger ribbon tweeter. Would like to spend a couple weeks with both to really decide but kind of hard to do that.
The 35XTs measure better and are 4ohm rated vs 5ohms for the LX16/Motion 15.

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Martin Logan looks to be releasing a new version of the Motion XT family in a couple weeks! Doesn't look to be a huge change from the previews, probably just updating the looks of them. Seems like they are mixing the looks of the current XT family to the previous ML 10's and 12's.

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Martin Logan looks to be releasing a new version of the Motion XT family in a couple weeks! Doesn't look to be a huge change from the previews, probably just updating the looks of them. Seems like they are mixing the looks of the current XT family to the previous ML 10's and 12's.
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It's on their Facebook page.

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I posted a few months back and finally got off my ass and purchased my upgrades but I am having an issue:


Front: Motion 60XT
Center: Motion 50XT
Rear Surround: Motion 40

Receiver Onkyo TX-RZ920
Sub- was JBL SP120ii that I just "upgraded" to a Dynamo 1000. Everything was fine until I hooked this up today



I used the THX crossover settings of 80HZ for everything and have all speakers set to small, The sub was working fine and after about 10 minutes worth of use it pops intermittently when it's not active with a signal within its frequency range. When I do the sound test you cannot hear a pop, when you unplug the RCA you don't hear the pops, when it is active pumping out sound its not popping either. If I start screwing with the crossover settings and knock all of them 10hz above the min, and enable the double bass; the pop sound is greatly diminished, but still there. Is this a crossover issue (the sub is set for Bypass LFE in, all at 80hz in the Onkyo crossover, LFE level is -infinity dB)? or is this the dreaded ML sub-woofer popping issue?

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Hello people

I currently own B&W CM10s with matching CM 2 Center driven by Denon AVR4300H. I have been looking for matching surrounds (CM1s or CM5s) but not able to find them. I came across a pair of Martin Logan motion 15 speakers being sold by someone locally. Do you think I can buy them and use as surrounds? They come with B&W speaker stands and I remember the seller mentioning throwing in Audioquest 4 speaker cables as well. If it won't match the CM10s, do you still think they are good speakers that I can buy and keep them in my bedroom? He is asking for $400.
BTW in case I set up the motion 15 speakers in my bedroom, will Marantz 7008 be a good choice to drive them?
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I currently own B&W CM10s with matching CM 2 Center driven by Denon AVR4300H. I have been looking for matching surrounds (CM1s or CM5s) but not able to find them. I came across a pair of Martin Logan motion 15 speakers being sold by someone locally. Do you think I can buy them and use as surrounds? They come with B&W speaker stands and I remember the seller mentioning throwing in Audioquest 4 speaker cables as well. If it won't match the CM10s, do you still think they are good speakers that I can buy and keep them in my bedroom? He is asking for $400.
BTW in case I set up the motion 15 speakers in my bedroom, will Marantz 7008 be a good choice to drive them?
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That's very high considering you can get a pair of identical open box Lx16s for that price at Crutchfield.

But yes, I compared my LX16s to my 80s era B&W CM1 Concept 90s and they would play nice together and they are not hard to drive.

B&W M1s open box at Crutchfield are about the same price so use that to get the price down.

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That's very high considering you can get a pair of identical open box Lx16s for that price at Crutchfield.

But yes, I compared my LX16s to my 80s era B&W CM1 Concept 90s and they would play nice together and they are not hard to drive.

B&W M1s open box at Crutchfield are about the same price so use that to get the price down.

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Thank you Geoff. Appreciate your input. I think I was not clear in my post that he is asking $400 for the complete set (pair). Considering that, looks like this is a good deal when Motion 15 in Crutchfield is going for more than $275 each. But you did make a point that this will sound good with the B&Ws. Interesting to know.
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Thank you Geoff. Appreciate your input. I think I was not clear in my post that he is asking $400 for the complete set (pair). Considering that, looks like this is a good deal when Motion 15 in Crutchfield is going for more than $275 each. But you did make a point that this will sound good with the B&Ws. Interesting to know.
Yeah, but the LX16 is identical other than not having a sloping top.

But if you prefer the Motion 15 for some reason then yes, that is a good deal.
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Was thinking about getting a Motion-15 as a stereo speaker for my bedroom. But then I saw this... (skip to 2:08)



Just look at that setup... Is Motion-15 really that power-hungry?



I really doubt the Micca Origain https://www.amazon.com/Micca-OriGain...gateway&sr=8-3 in my bedroom can competently power these Motion-15 speakers.


So in short - If I get Motion-15's should I also replace my mini stereo amp? Is Sprout 100 and/or a SMSL A8 good candidate?

https://www.psaudio.com/products/spr...ated-amplifier

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Was thinking about getting a Motion-15 as a stereo speaker for my bedroom. But then I saw this... (skip to 2:08) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oloIIr8zaQ



Just look at that setup... Is Motion-15 really that power-hungry?



I really doubt the Micca Origain https://www.amazon.com/Micca-OriGain...gateway&sr=8-3 in my bedroom can competently power these Motion-15 speakers.


So in short - If I get Motion-15's should I also replace my mini stereo amp? Is Sprout 100 and/or a SMSL A8 good candidate?

https://www.psaudio.com/products/spr...ated-amplifier

http://www.smsl-audio.com/productshow.asp?id=140
All I get is "video unavailable."

My LX16s, (identical to the Motion 15s except it has a flat top and is much cheaper), are easily driven by my 50 watt 1980s era NAD 7250PE receiver and by my 1970s era Sansui 881 rated at 63 watts so you should be just fine with that Micca amp.

$10/box returns on the LX16s at Crutchfield within 60 days, $480/pair instead of $640/pair for the Motion 15s.

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All I get is "video unavailable."
Here it is

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"Video unavailable" there as well.

Maybe you can tell us what they say on the video that is causing you concern.

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