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Ah, maybe I was just lucky, just like you said.
Curiosity got the better of me and I just sent their support department another email. Maybe I will get lucky. Extremely curious to see how the midrange driver and the 1 kHz lower crossover frequency affects the plot.
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Curiosity got the better of me and I just sent their support department another email. Maybe I will get lucky. Extremely curious to see how the midrange driver and the 1 kHz lower crossover frequency affects the plot.
The woman who handled my technical support request at Harman was very nice and polite and diligent, she said that she contacted all the relevant internal teams at Harman asking about the spinorama for the R253 and they said they didn't have the file.

I can't really imagine a scenario where Harman didn't do a spinorama on the R253 before releasing it, and I can't really imagine a scenario where they would delete or lose the file, so I'm pretty sure a mistake has been made here somewhere, but I'm not going to press the issue.
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If one were to employ RS152s on the ceiling...would you mount them with the tweeters aiming to the sides of the room, or front/back? And why? I'm leaning towards the latter. I wonder about the directivity of the woofer at a distance, though. How does it sound bouncing off the wall?

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If one were to employ RS152s on the ceiling...would you mount them with the tweeters aiming to the sides of the room, or front/back? And why? I'm leaning towards the latter. $80/each is hard to pass up for a speaker like this. I wonder about the directivity of the woofer at a distance, though. How does it sound bouncing off the wall?
I assume those tweeters are optimized for horizontal dispersion when they're upright... so I'd probably say mount them side-to-side near the listening position... just a guess.
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I assume those tweeters are optimized for horizontal dispersion when they're upright... so I'd probably say mount them side-to-side near the listening position... just a guess.
I think so, too. But then they aren't aimed at the seats.
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I think so, too. But then they aren't aimed at the seats.
I guess I don't understand the options. BTW, most placement diagrams I've seen for the surround left/right speakers (not surround back speakers) show them directly to the left and right of the main listening position, or if they're behind that position, only by a little bit. So it seems like you should be able to mount them side-to-side with the tweeters aimed at the listening position...
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I guess I don't understand the options. BTW, most placement diagrams I've seen for the surround left/right speakers (not surround back speakers) show them directly to the left and right of the main listening position, or if they're behind that position, only by a little bit. So it seems like you should be able to mount them side-to-side with the tweeters aimed at the listening position...
Go back to my question...it's about ceiling mounting
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Go back to my question...it's about ceiling mounting
Right, I got that, but why wouldn't you be able to ceiling-mount the speakers side-to-side in such a way that at least two of the tweeters are pointing at the listening position?
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Right, I got that, but why wouldn't you be able to ceiling-mount the speakers side-to-side in such a way that at least two of the tweeters are pointing at the listening position?
If you put them side-to-side they are not aimed at the seats. That is my concern. You would be "vertically off-axis" of the tweeter by 45 degrees.

I think front/back has to be the best, though not without wondering what the front-firing tweeter will do for the sound as it reflects off the front of the room. I'm just telling myself it should help with spaciousness in a small room and I'll see how it goes.

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If you put them side-to-side they are not aimed at the seats. That is my concern. You would be "vertically off-axis" of the tweeter by 45 degrees.
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This is the part I'm getting hung up on.

Sit in your listening position. Look up at the ceiling. Look directly to your left and right. If you put the speakers there, they would have tweeters pointed directly at you.

They'd only be off-axis if you put the speakers behind you.
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This is the part I'm getting hung up on.

Sit in your listening position. Look up at the ceiling. Look directly to your left and right. If you put the speakers there, they would have tweeters pointed directly at you.

They'd only be off-axis if you put the speakers behind you.
Atmos speakers are to be installed at 35-45 degrees in front of and behind the seats.
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Atmos speakers are to be installed at 35-45 degrees in front of and behind the seats.
Got it. Didn't know you were talking about Atmos/height speakers.
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Got it. Didn't know you were talking about Atmos/height speakers.
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Well, I set one up to do some listening to see how good of a speaker it is. I had my subs on with the typical crossover of 80 Hz and since this is a new speaker, DSP (Dirac) was disabled.

The clarity is there in spades but the midbass and upper bass seem lacking. It's a very top-heavy speaker. Even with +10 bass on the tone control it is barely keeping up with its Emotiva rival. It also needed -4 treble because it's a bit bright. At that point it's listenable but I'm not really impressed.

I guess I shouldn't have expected too much from a rear-firing 5.25" sealed woofer.

I'm not expecting break-in to perform any miracles, but I suppose I could run them while I'm at work tomorrow.

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I guess I shouldn't have expected too much from a rear-firing 5.25" sealed woofer.

I'm not expecting break-in to perform any miracles, but I suppose I could run them while I'm at work tomorrow.
I found they do improve after a few hours.

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Well, I set one up to do some listening to see how good of a speaker it is. I had my subs on with the typical crossover of 80 Hz and since this is a new speaker, DSP (Dirac) was disabled.

The clarity is there in spades but the midbass and upper bass seem lacking. It's a very top-heavy speaker. Even with +10 bass on the tone control it is barely keeping up with its Emotiva rival. It also needed -4 treble because it's a bit bright. At that point it's listenable but I'm not really impressed.

I guess I shouldn't have expected too much from a rear-firing 5.25" sealed woofer.

I'm not expecting break-in to perform any miracles, but I suppose I could run them while I'm at work tomorrow.
I assume you have them right up against a wall? Like, as close as possible? That would seem necessary for the design.
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Does anyone have the RS152s and can comment on how well the Hemispherical Soundfield Technology works? Is it pretty seamless across your seats?
i have a pair of RS152’s, got them around the end of may and i just mounted them on my back wall a week or 2 ago and really enjoy the surround affects it adds.

idk about bass sincei have the high pass filter at 90 and mostly use my system for movies.
(hard for me to tell if any of my speaker have much bass since the sub handles it)

although if i do play music i use the multi-channel setting to fill my open floor plan since im never sitting at the MPL.
it surprised me how well it filled the room from behind when i’m watching a movie that actually has decent surround affects.

i like em but it’s also my first system ever so my opinion is very noob-ish.

mine are mounted rear wall at 145 deg 3-4’ above ear level (thought about angling them down a bit with a wedge), since i plan on doing the r152’s at 90 deg for 7.1 later on they will be in the perfect spot for that.
at that point i’ll make the rs152’s the rear surround zone.

my room is 25x17
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I recently picked up the R162s and RC252 center. Can anyone recommend me a sub that would go well with these? I have a fairly small room and my budget is $300 but flexible.
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Most people here will tell you that the good subs start at $400 with the RSL Speedwoofer and take a big leap in performance at $500-550 with the Rythmik and HSU 12" subs. I wouldn't shop lower unless you don't mind upgrading in a year
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Most people here will tell you that the good subs start at $400 with the RSL Speedwoofer and take a big leap in performance at $500-550 with the Rythmik and HSU 12" subs. I wouldn't shop lower unless you don't mind upgrading in a year
Agreed overall, though the Infinity R12 can be had for $199 and IME performs pretty well if you're mainly looking to round out the low end. The Sound & Vision review has it down 3 dB at 30 Hz or so but in a small space you should benefit from some room gain, so it doesn't dig as deep as the Rythmik/Hsu will, but it's also a fraction of the cost.

My brother picked one up this summer and I set it up for him. His room is ~ 2000 sq ft and opens up to the upstairs and I was still pretty impressed at the performance relative to the $199 price, though at full price ($499) I'd just assume spend a bit more and get a Hsu, Rythmik, etc.
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Most people here will tell you that the good subs start at $400 with the RSL Speedwoofer and take a big leap in performance at $500-550 with the Rythmik and HSU 12" subs. I wouldn't shop lower unless you don't mind upgrading in a year [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smile.gif[/IMG]
Agreed overall, though the Infinity R12 can be had for $199 and IME performs pretty well if you're mainly looking to round out the low end. The Sound & Vision review has it down 3 dB at 30 Hz or so but in a small space you should benefit from some room gain, so it doesn't dig as deep as the Rythmik/Hsu will, but it's also a fraction of the cost.

My brother picked one up this summer and I set it up for him. His room is ~ 2000 sq ft and opens up to the upstairs and I was still pretty impressed at the performance relative to the $199 price, though at full price ($499) I'd just assume spend a bit more and get a Hsu, Rythmik, etc.
definitely agree, i got the R12 last year for $170 after shipping.
it’s amazing for that price (on sale) and i think it sounds good for now till i’m ready spend more.
my room is 25-17, when they have another sale like that i’m gonna get a another one.

with 2 of the R12’s on sale you will still be under or at $400
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I got the RS162, large center and 12” sub about a year ago for my master bedroom. Got all for a total of $585! Absolutely love them. I wasn’t impressed until about a week later and I watched a good movie and thought, WOW! Sometime after that, I watched San Andreas and during the earthquake scenes, that sub was making my recliner shake so much, I had to hold on to the arms, it was scary just as if I was there! I think they are the best value out there.
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definitely agree, i got the R12 last year for $170 after shipping.
it’s amazing for that price (on sale) and i think it sounds good for now till i’m ready spend more.
my room is 25-17, when they have another sale like that i’m gonna get a another one.

with 2 of the R12’s on sale you will still be under or at $400
The returns are currently $199. I've purchased Harman refurb items (Arena 180s) and my brother R12 was a refurb and we've had good experiences.
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The returns are currently $199. I've purchased Harman refurb items (Arena 180s) and my brother R12 was a refurb and we've had good experiences.


thank you for the heads up, i’ll roll the dice on a refurb.
i’m getting that now

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kinda strange how the refurbished/returned R12 is more expensive then the memorial day sale R12 brand new..

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thank you for the heads up, i’ll roll the dice on a refurb.
i’m getting that now

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You should be fine with the refurb. My Arena 180s were basically new and my brother's sub appeared brand new. As far as the pricing goes Harman has some odd strategies with the pricing of some of the consumer brands, particularly Infinity.
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You should be fine with the refurb. My Arena 180s were basically new and my brother's sub appeared brand new. As far as the pricing goes Harman has some odd strategies with the pricing of some of the consumer brands, particularly Infinity.
I picked up the r12 refurb in early September when it was backordered for over a month, so I've had it for a little over two weeks. It was basically mint condition when it arrived. I couldn't spot any flaws, and it sounds great. It wouldn't surprise me if most refurbs are new items that were returned because of buyer preference after a bit of normal use/testing. They have a good return policy, so I'm sure there's a lot of that. As for the pricing, I think the strategy is to gouge MSRP while reaping *new* fair value when they need to clear warehouse space with a sale or unload returned items as refurb.

Anyways, my r12 is running with a pair of r162s and I like it a lot. Overall, it's a nice upgrade from a beat up old pair of energy c100s with no sub, and it sounds worlds better than the pair of micca mb42x with a dayton 1000 that I tried out initially before finding the deals for new r162 and refurb r12. I also tried the klipsch R-120SW and a polk PSW505 while waiting for the backordered r12, and though my ears are inexperienced, I'd rank the infinity r12 just barely above the klipsch with the polk lagging a bit behind both.
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I assume you have them right up against a wall? Like, as close as possible? That would seem necessary for the design.
Yes, I did.

Today I got a chance to put them on the stands and use them as front left and right speakers. I didn't expect them to sound very good, as this is not their intended use.

They actually don't sound half bad like this. Definitely better than what I heard in the other test. Drums are nice and impactful and there's lots of detail. I did end up reducing the treble and increasing the bass with the tone controls, which confirms I should be able to wrangle them with Dirac. I think they should make fine Atmos height speakers. Now I just need to find the time to get them up there.
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Agreed overall, though the Infinity R12 can be had for $199 and IME performs pretty well if you're mainly looking to round out the low end. The Sound & Vision review has it down 3 dB at 30 Hz or so but in a small space you should benefit from some room gain, so it doesn't dig as deep as the Rythmik/Hsu will, but it's also a fraction of the cost.

My brother picked one up this summer and I set it up for him. His room is ~ 2000 sq ft and opens up to the upstairs and I was still pretty impressed at the performance relative to the $199 price, though at full price ($499) I'd just assume spend a bit more and get a Hsu, Rythmik, etc.
The infinity R10 is on sale for $99.99 refurb right now. Do you think it would be worth to pick this up as a budget starter sub? I have a fairly small bedroom right now and will upgrade later on after I graduate from college.
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The infinity R10 is on sale for $99.99 refurb right now. Do you think it would be worth to pick this up as a budget starter sub? I have a fairly small bedroom right now and will upgrade later on after I graduate from college.
For bedroom use and assuming you aren't trying to dog super deep yes, this would be a great buy. Also still risk-free returns.
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