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Yes, and multiple times the stated budget.
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The reference ii is better 62ii fronts and 62ii center is a nice set up
What would that cost though?
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Probably about 1400 for the 3 62ii speakers. Too much for right now.
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Probably about 1400 for the 3 62ii speakers. Too much for right now.
If you go through AVS, a fair bit cheaper, but yea with shipping you will be over a grand.

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Maybe next time I upgrade then, I think I will jump on the Icons for these prices.

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Can also get a pair of Polk Audio TSX330T floorstanders for $130

Or a single Energy CF-70 floorstander in fair condition for $150
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Crap, second guessing myself since the FS51s I have now have 3 woofers and a tweeter and the Icons only have 2 woofers and a tweeter.
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Please, everyone. We're talking sub $400.00 for the 28s with center. How could this be a bad deal unless the budget was much more. As I've said, I've lived with the soon to be replaced 28s and they can sound a lot different depending how much power you put behind them. Anyway, the OP budget is of most concern.

Buy the 28s take them home,, if you don't like them you can take them back within the return period. Some work but well worth it. For the price, I think you'll keep them.

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Good point on the return part, I will do that if I don't like them.

One final question

Right now I have my 2 subs for bass, a bunch of 5.25" woofers for mids, then the tweeters for highs. If I get the 8" Icons, I am sort of deleting the midrange size woofer. I will then only have my 2 subs, a few Icon 8" woofers, then a couple tweeters. What will produce the midrange sounds if the 5.25" woofers are gone?

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Don't worry about the midrange, it'll be fine, I promise!
How big is your room? Any treatments? % of two channel vs HT?
I do 80% two channel with everything from female voice of Nora Jones to hard rock and back to classical.

Give me a few answers my new friend.
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Oh, I run two subs as well, not very big at all but it does a nice job.
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The theater area is not huge, but the space is open to, I would guess, around 400sq ft or so. You can see the front part of the room in the picture in my original post. And I say 400sq ft about because my basement is a little over 700sq ft total, so I am subtracting some off that for the room I added and bathroom and closets when I finished the basement a couple years ago.

No dedicated treatments, but I have added some canvas paintings to the walls to help with reflections and the room doesnt echo near what it used to with nothing on the walls.

I am about 75% bluray viewing for home theater, and 25% music listening. However, when I want to turn it up to a nice and loud level, in a matter of a song or two, the top of my avr is very hot to the touch. Which is the reason I am here. I would rather upgrade speakers than overwork my avr and shorten its life.

I listen to all sorts of music, from country to metallica to top 40.

Thanks for all the help on this.
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Probably closer to 500sq ft actually.
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The 4x 8" drivers will be all the mid bass you need trust me lol.
You have 5.25 drivers now, I would not question the upgrade for a second.

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I think that any AVR running at half power will be hot to the touch, 96* f is not bad but I've run it hotter and without concern, really. I just wouldn't go,,,say 110 * all day long. Does your AVR have pre outs? If so this would afford the possibility of an external amp in the future. For theater you should be fine.
With you doing 75% HT I would not take the center that goes with the towers!!
I would invest in the best and largest center speaker that you can afford.

For this reason,,,,,,,,the most heavily used and inportant speaker in a HT setup is the center channel!!! PERIOD!!! All spoken words come from it ,,,and if you own a poor center you will not understand the dialog !! Isn't that where most of the story line comes from??!! YEP Please heed this advice, I've seen so many systems fall short do to this fact. Surround sound and crashes and all sort of information comes from all of the other speakers,,,,but story and dialog come from one source,,,,,
THE CENTER CHANNEL!!!!

Can I beg you not to short change that speaker!!!
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Treatments,
Rug on the floor in front of each speaker if it's hard wood or concrete .
Put a throw on the furniture. Thermal drapes over the windows, soundproofing and absorbant.
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I can only speak to the Klipsch for that is who brought me to the dance, I will be upgrading very soon but not at this price point. They have been great to me.
Also the will blow you out of the room with 250 watts combined, but must be clean power with lots of headroom.
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I have to go, I'll check back with you later.

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That center will do fine enough on a budget. Just up the level a little if needed.
It's a shame they don't have a bigger timbre matched center

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Maybe I should stay with what I have then, and not worry about the avr. I want the front stage to be timbre matched. I will say that I am not able to keep my hand on top of the receiver after a few songs. I think once the receiver shut itself off because it got too hot though.

Is the Icon center not very good? I have read a lot of good things about the andrew jones pioneer center that I have right now, so maybe I should just keep what I have.

The whole theater room is carpeted. I'm not a hardwood floor fan and know better than to do that to a theater room. There are no windows, well, one behind the tv but thats well covered. All seating is electronically reclining top grain leather theater seats. I have run audyssey and have no issue with the dialog now.
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Receiver is a Denon 2112 with 90W per channel. Enough?
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Starting to think I should just keep what I have. I don't want to down grade the center channel speaker.
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Current center is rated down to 55hz, Icon only 82hz.
Otherwise, fairly comparable centers, at least on paper. Would just hate to downgrade, because I agree, it is an important piece.
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Where did downgrading the center come from, never do that.
Glad to hear about the room, rugs and such!, two thumbs up!
The Denon is only going to put out maybe 85 wpc with only two channels driven.
If you driving all speakers it is considerably less and would create a lot of heat.
Even so if at 90 wpc two channels driven there is no headroom.

Gust my two cents, but I believe in what I'm talking about.

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I thought the denon had all seperate channels so each was 90W.

Is the KC-25 a downgrade from my current C-21 center channel speaker?
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That's the myth of an AVR. No, they are not all 90 watts per channel.
Not even close. It's measured at 90 stated wpc, but I doubt, closer to 80 and that's with only 2 channels driven. Now when you engage more channels start reducing the watts to the front two channels. This is another reason that your AVR get so hot. Most all AVR s mislead in there ratings of wpc., unless it's a very high end,,,,even then I doubt there ratings.

As far as the center channel speaker, I have not investigated those. Do some research, there are a lot of sources on the web. Go to the manufacturer web sight and read as well as reviews and take it all with a grain of salt.

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What about the Klipsch C20 center channel? I found one used in my area, is it pretty good?
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The c20 is an older model, and should sell to you for a good price. Entry level for a decent Klipsch center retails for about $250.00 , you should be able to do better.
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I thought the denon had all seperate channels so each was 90W.

Is the KC-25 a downgrade from my current C-21 center channel speaker?

Its the same size drivers and tweeter. I would not be concerned over the low end frequency. I am sure you will not be crossing your center at 50hz

Again, neither center will have any real gusto to them, but they will be timber matched to whatever towers you use. I still cant believe they didnt release a bigger center to match the ICONS.

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Ok, thanks guys.

The more I think about it, the more I think the KC-25 will be just fine for me. I will just set the crossover accordingly and run it a little hot, like suggested.
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