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Dang, I was hoping there was another JBL 8" that I hadn't found that might work.
Have you looked at the Jbl scs8 Speakers
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Have you looked at the Jbl scs8 Speakers
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I have but I need in ceiling speakers so that the projection doesn't get clipped on the way to the screen. My first choice was JTR 8HT-LPs.
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I have but I need in ceiling speakers so that the projection doesn't get clipped on the way to the screen. My first choice was JTR 8HT-LPs.
Have you checked the one's below out yet ???

When I do Atmos I'm going with 6 of the below speakers.











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Have you checked the one's below out yet ???

When I do Atmos I'm going with 6 of the below speakers.

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No, I didn't even know these exist to be honest. The reason I was looking into the JBLs is because the 8"ers are supposed to be a close match to JTR speakers which I'm putting everywhere else(when the wife approves the expense....haha). I'll have to check these out though! Do they have a non-angled version for the over head position or how do you make that work?

Edit: Ah, I see that they have a normal sealed 6.5" sealed in-ceiling version.

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No, I didn't even know these exist to be honest. The reason I was looking into the JBLs is because the 8"ers are supposed to be a close match to JTR speakers which I'm putting everywhere else(when the wife approves the expense....haha). I'll have to check these out though! Do they have a non-angled version for the over head position or how do you make that work?
Burton,

Sorry buddy I don't know anything other than what Triad says about them.

Here is some additional information you might find interesting.
Just so you know these are considered Top-of-the-Line Atmos speakers.















Below is what Atmos will cost me in US dollars.
I do-Not have the funds "Yet" so Atmos is on hold until my Very-Small-Bucket gets filled once again for H/T Modifications/Changes.




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I have but I need in ceiling speakers so that the projection doesn't get clipped on the way to the screen. My first choice was JTR 8HT-LPs.
I didn’t think about the projector or them being in the way.

I have the Jbl 590 across the front and I have klipsch sides and rears (I was going to do an all klipsch set up) but the 590 was such a good price I bought to try, and they are great. My point here I really can’t tell the difference between the speakers. Sound comes from where it is supposed to and it sounds good. I have seen people use the rsl in ceiling with jtr’s so I am thinking about trying some of the klipsch in ceiling with my speakers next year. I think it is a klipsch 5800 in ceiling. The difference is the compression drivers that a lot of people want now days.

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Burton,

Sorry buddy I don't know anything other than what Triad says about them.

Here is some additional information you might find interesting.
Just so you know these are considered Top-of-the-Line Atmos speakers.












https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX7UNpWqTpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCcrQU8PbzQ


Below is what Atmos will cost me in US dollars.
I do-Not have the funds "Yet" so Atmos is on hold until my Very-Small-Bucket gets filled once again for H/T Modifications/Changes.




Terry

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how about klipsch 5800II for atmos. They have a swiveling woofer that can turn and be angled along with a 1" Ti tweeter thats aim able. They are like $200-300 each depending on where you buy them. Open back. Its what I was thinking to match with my 1099s. I was also considering the scs8 but if your doing 6 atmos speakers the front two may get in the way cause they are pretty large boxes. Any of the volt DIY speakers would work well with JRTs and all can take plenty of power if your a DIY type. They can be IB mounted or thrown in a box. Or ceiling mounted then glue the back on the back side of the drywall for a "in ceiling enclosed speaker" kinda thing. All high sensitivity, wide dispersion and high power handling

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Below is what Atmos will cost me in US dollars.
I do-Not have the funds "Yet" so Atmos is on hold until my Very-Small-Bucket gets filled once again for H/T Modifications/Changes.

Yeah, with prices like what you're being quoted? I can understand why you might not have the money yet...Dunno about those speaker prices, and the amp is MSRP, but you really don't need $3,000 worth of wire and such "fancy" XLR cables. Even the optional ones, both the wire and XLRs are over-priced. The fact that they are offering you the option of 12/2 cable tells me you don't need 10/2, guessing your runs are much, much shorter than what 8 Ohm would demand at 10AWG. You could easily shave at least $3,000 off this bill, probably more.
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how about klipsch 5800II for atmos. They have a swiveling woofer that can turn and be angled along with a 1" Ti tweeter thats aim able. They are like $200-300 each depending on where you buy them. Open back. Its what I was thinking to match with my 1099s. I was also considering the scs8 but if your doing 6 atmos speakers the front two may get in the way cause they are pretty large boxes. Any of the volt DIY speakers would work well with JRTs and all can take plenty of power if your a DIY type. They can be IB mounted or thrown in a box. Or ceiling mounted then glue the back on the back side of the drywall for a "in ceiling enclosed speaker" kinda thing. All high sensitivity, wide dispersion and high power handling
I was wondering the same thing a week ago and decided on the Klipsch CDT-5800-C II in-ceilings x 4 for a 7.2.4 setup. Unfortunately they’re still 10 days out, so I’ll have wait to test them out.

If anyone has these bad boys setup, I’d love your thoughts.
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Ok here is my Dolby Atmos Short Story:

Started with 7.2.2 with a pair of DefTech Pro 1000's on the ceiling ~ 3 years ago. I know this wasn't ideal (Atmos prefers in-ceilings) but it would give me an idea. However, two speakers were limited in sound immersion, so I purchased two more DT Pro1000's. Ahh, I experienced better immersion with 4 vs 2, as many of you probably already know. If you can place 4 speakers in your setup go for it. I digress, my current setup is ML Edge & Axis all around, so I didn't want to skimp, when I upgraded. I was in my local BB and got a great deal on Sonance 8Rs (Qty:4), commercial grade, I figured out later, so I went for it. Cut holes, dust everywhere, finally tested Dolby Atmos with the new speakers installed. It was good but not overwhelming, I could have kept my DefTechs up there. So know I have 10" diameter holes, so I decided to go up a couple notches, to the Sonance three way VP86r (great deal). The difference was tremendous, especially after Audyssey XT32 Config ( I also changed my mic mount from a tripod to a boom mike with an adapter, as recommended in the Audyssey Forum, made a significant difference in the calibration for the better). Pointed tweeters, midrange and woofers to the MLP, these sing now, both in movies and music. I did change the TF and TR to 90Hz vs 80Hz, this also helped. I will try 100Hz to see if it is any better. I had a friend come over to listen, he said it was beautiful, so much so, he has now installed Dolby Atmos in-ceiling speakers (Qty:4) in his HT, he sent me pictures, but he's not quite finished, should be done by this weekend.

If you are doing this yourself, be sure to allot enough time, and cover everything in the area, I didn't use my shop vac, however I should have used it as recommended here, dust everywhere including my entire body. Fishing wires, cutouts, mounting, cleanup, and calibration. I don't want to scare anyone, because it is so worth it, once completed. Hope this helps someone down the road. I guess I need to update my profile. Also I purchased the Sonance Enclosures which are custom built for the Sonance VP series, to minimize bleed over on the upper level.

Edit: Do not forget your googles and mask...when you DIY.

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Burton,

Sorry buddy I don't know anything other than what Triad says about them.

Here is some additional information you might find interesting.
Just so you know these are considered Top-of-the-Line Atmos speakers.










https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX7UNpWqTpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCcrQU8PbzQ


Below is what Atmos will cost me in US dollars.
I do-Not have the funds "Yet" so Atmos is on hold until my Very-Small-Bucket gets filled once again for H/T Modifications/Changes.




Terry

That invoice is highway robbery; wow!

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$4500 for speaker cable and xlr cables. LOL

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$4500 for speaker cable and xlr cables. LOL
Speaker/Power cables should probably be ~ 10 -20% of your overall cost, IMHO.

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Actually I just came across a new klipsch model it’s designed for LCR but it would be ideal for atmos as it has a 45 degree angle. It would work well with klipsch speakers or most of the DIY stuff I assume due to the horn design. i don’t have the model number handy sorry

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Speaker/Power cables should probably be ~ 10 -20% of your overall cost, IMHO.
Why though? I have heard the number 5-10%, but I don't follow the logic behind putting a percentage of overall cost on something like this.
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I would go with 4 Atmos speakers if possible.
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Why though? I have heard the number 5-10%, but I don't follow the logic behind putting a percentage of overall cost on something like this.
It's just a baseline that I utilize, based on my past experiences, deviations can vary, based on equipment level, etc.,etc...IMHO. I step up a notch, because I want overkill not underkill, but not over the top. Buy cheap buy twice, buy once cry once. I try to future proof whenever it's possible, just sayin...Of course, you can always do your own thing .

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I'm set to receive my CDT-5800-C II's next week, but have a question about the angling of the tweeters inside. From what I understand, they can tilt up to 15 degrees. My HT is setup in TWO rows, so I was planning on placing two speakers in front and 2 in the rear (behind row 2). I'm wondering what the best way to install them is? As in, do I have them facing straight down to the ground or angle them towards the MLP? I'm aiming to install them at 45 degrees and 115 degrees from from MLP. That being said, has anyone tried putting them directly above the seating positions in each row? Just trying to figure out the optimal placement.
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I'm set to receive my CDT-5800-C II's next week, but have a question about the angling of the tweeters inside. From what I understand, they can tilt up to 15 degrees. My HT is setup in TWO rows, so I was planning on placing two speakers in front and 2 in the rear (behind row 2). I'm wondering what the best way to install them is? As in, do I have them facing straight down to the ground or angle them towards the MLP? I'm aiming to install them at 45 degrees and 115 degrees from from MLP. That being said, has anyone tried putting them directly above the seating positions in each row? Just trying to figure out the optimal placement.
Safe to aim the tweeters initially at the MLP, then adjust/tweak from there... Ohh. Don't forget to Enjoy.

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I'm set to receive my CDT-5800-C II's next week, but have a question about the angling of the tweeters inside. From what I understand, they can tilt up to 15 degrees. My HT is setup in TWO rows, so I was planning on placing two speakers in front and 2 in the rear (behind row 2). I'm wondering what the best way to install them is? As in, do I have them facing straight down to the ground or angle them towards the MLP? I'm aiming to install them at 45 degrees and 115 degrees from from MLP. That being said, has anyone tried putting them directly above the seating positions in each row? Just trying to figure out the optimal placement.
Safe to aim the tweeters initially at the MLP, then adjust/tweak from there... Ohh. Don't forget to Enjoy.

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Thank you! I’ll give that a shot and tweak it from there. I’m excited to try out a few reference Dolby Atmos 4K Blu-Rays I’ve bought😎
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Burton,

Sorry buddy I don't know anything other than what Triad says about them.

Here is some additional information you might find interesting.
Just so you know these are considered Top-of-the-Line Atmos speakers.










https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RX7UNpWqTpg



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NCcrQU8PbzQ


Below is what Atmos will cost me in US dollars.
I do-Not have the funds "Yet" so Atmos is on hold until my Very-Small-Bucket gets filled once again for H/T Modifications/Changes.




Terry
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Speaker/Power cables should probably be ~ 10 -20% of your overall cost, IMHO.

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Guys,

You might want to look-up what things actually cost "Before" posting comments.
Just a suggestion ...........

TRANSPARENT
HIGH PERFORMANCE 10-2 SPEAKER CABLE

100 FEET IS $1,270.00 us Dollars.
Three (3) times that is $3,810.00 US Dollars.


I'm sure my guy would be ordering it (Transparent 10-2 Cable) by a roll as that's better pricing.

Also, if you look at the invoice it also includes an $800.00 Dollar Discount.

https://www.transparentcable.com/pro...24879440363584

As always I think everyone should do as they wish and that's exactly what I do at 74-years-old.

I don't do things 1/2 ass gentleman even though doing it my way certainly is in many cases more expensive granted.
The estimate is based on what I-Requested !!!

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