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I would go with 4 Atmos speakers if possible.
Any reason to do 6? - in case one format (2 vs 4 in ceiling) catches on more than another, or different movies are better at some than another? I'll have the ceiling apart anyway and extra speakers and wire is not that expensive.

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Any reason to do 6? - in case one format (2 vs 4 in ceiling) catches on more than another, or different movies are better at some than another? I'll have the ceiling apart anyway and extra speakers and wire is not that expensive.
First generation processors will only do four........maybe 2nd gen will do 6 or maybe your stuck having to purchase expensive Datastat 20i?

I'm going to see how this all pans out........I'm going to loose money selling my Marantz 8801.,.....don't want to do same with Datastat......much larger, costlier mistake if Datastat becomes redundant soon after purchasing.
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For those folks that have compression drivers in all their home theater speakers, how about these in ceilings for atmos?

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/i...t#.VAvGePk7uSo
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For those folks that have compression drivers in all their home theater speakers, how about these in ceilings for atmos?

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/i...t#.VAvGePk7uSo
Nice find. Might fit the bill for me as I have jtr speakers.
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I saw someone mention it in another thread - was the first I heard of it.
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Feel silly for asking it but how do you hook up the speaker wire to these JBL pro in ceiling speakers. Doesn't look from the picture like a typical connection or even a speak on connection. Am I missing the obvious here? Or is that little green box the bare wire connection?
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Or is that little green box the bare wire connection?
Yup, bare wire connections (second box is a loop-through for daisy chaining).

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Yup, bare wire connections (second box is a loop-through for daisy chaining).

Thank you sir.
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Jbl controls seems pretty expensive for just speakers used as background noise

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They are around 250-275 a piece, so they aren't dirt cheap but it's all relative. They are less than 1/3rd the price of a JTR Single 8, but less performance, of course.

Honestly, if you want in-ceiling compression drivers and an integrated back box, these are probably your only choice in the market.

Like anything else, there are always cheaper solutions.

I don't think atmos mixes will use those overhead channels for just background noise. There will be specific parts of soundtrack and objects using the overhead speakers.

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They are around 250-275 a piece, so they aren't dirt cheap but it's all relative. They are less than 1/3rd the price of a JTR Single 8, but less performance, of course.

Honestly, if you want in-ceiling compression drivers and an integrated back box, these are probably your only choice in the market.

Like anything else, there are always cheaper solutions.

I don't think atmos mixes will use those overhead channels for just background noise. There will be specific parts of soundtrack and objects using the overhead speakers.
Thanks again for pointing these out. As you mentioned , they are much cheaper then my triple 8 JTR surrounds and should integrate nicely. Might just have to pick four of these up in the next few months as I upgrade to Atmos
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They might be great speakers but totally overkill for ceiling. $100 per speaker, tops is what people should be spending.

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They might be great speakers but totally overkill for ceiling. $100 per speaker, tops is what people should be spending.

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There is no right answer to dollar amount a person should spend on atmos speakers. A person with a 100k home theater is going to make different decisions than a person with a 50k HT than a person with a 10k HT than a person with a 1k HT. Doesn't mean each person can't enjoy the hobby and their equipment.
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Are some speakers more suited to being placed higher up?
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Thanks again for pointing these out. As you mentioned , they are much cheaper then my triple 8 JTR surrounds and should integrate nicely. Might just have to pick four of these up in the next few months as I upgrade to Atmos


http://www.klipsch.com/ic-650-t/details one more in ceiling with compression driver; roughly same price but may be less sensitive (it's hard to tell) - these also come in black

could also do these and angle them as desired - http://www.klipsch.com/KPT-801/details
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I'm in the same situation, I have a Atmos receiver and I'm trying to figure out what speakers to mount in the ceiling for the atmos to sound the best.
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I would go with 4 Atmos speakers if possible.

Do you know the best layout for the atmos ceiling speakers? I bought four ceiling speakers and our couches are against the back wall with 13' to the screen from there. I was thinking 2 overhead and 2 on each side of the room facing the couch. thoughts?
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Nick,

This guide should have all the info you need.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/guide/dol...tup/index.html

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^^^ That link doesn't cover the placement of Atmos speakers? Did I miss something?
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^^^ That link doesn't cover the placement of Atmos speakers? Did I miss something?
My apologies, wrong link.

http://www.dolby.com/us/en/technolog...guidelines.pdf

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I'm thinking of either 2 or 4 of these at present. The headroom above my ceiling is not huge so a lot of speakers are ruled out.

http://mkloudspeakers.com/products-i...er/Product/184

Not cheap though, so I may wait for the inevitable raft of new products if Atmos etc. take off.
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Thank you Dawn!!!

I'll take a look at the link. Unfortunately my receiver is only 7.1 so I have to get a 5.1.2, I wanted 5.1.4. Oh well, maybe I'll run some extra wires in the ceiling and add more in the furture.
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Has anyone thought about Mirage Omnisats for Atmos in ceiling speakers? Is that TOO MUCH wide dispersion?
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Apparently after reading all the Dolby Atmos demos from CEDIA 2014 that used Ceiling speakers for Atmos the GE was the best sounding, guessing due to the wide dispersion as per Dolby's recommendation aimed at the listening area?-


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The Tannoy speakers have voltage adjustable transformers. When connecting directly to your standard AVR, would you keep it in the Low Impedance setting?
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I think the NHT ic4-ARC would be great. 8in woofer with a 3 tweeter array to disperse sound all around.
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Has anyone thought about Mirage Omnisats for Atmos in ceiling speakers? Is that TOO MUCH wide dispersion?
I have.....OS^3 Sats........but are they still being sold/manufactured?
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The Tannoy speakers have voltage adjustable transformers. When connecting directly to your standard AVR, would you keep it in the Low Impedance setting?
Simple solution...........order without transformer........I'm considering Tannoy CVS 601DC
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Cinema uses arrays and have to cover long distances.......different animal.

In a home Atmos system, the last speaker you need are wave guide or horn configurations....ie Klipsh/HSU. Simple......90 degree dispersion is the goal......not to many speakers on current market comply. CEDIA 2014 might have new products that conform.
I've been trying to find out what the vertical / horizontal dispersion values are for the speakers I had in mind for my height channels, the LSR 305s. I totally love the sound I get from my three 308s as LCRs and now I think I'll be running 5 of them for my base 5.1 setup, and then four 305s mounted not on the ceiling, but high up on my walls angled downwards as per the Auro 3D diagram which apparently can be made to work with Atmos pre-pros as well.

http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/feb1...l-3-series.htm

I have really high ceilings like 13 feet (a loft), but instead of installing actual downfiring concentric drivers, I'd like to stick to my active speaker goal of using all JBLs but I'm just wondering if this is a bad idea for the height channels at least. I don't own this place so I can't really cut out holes from the ceiling to install 4 in-ceiling concentric drivers, but I'm hoping with a decent Atmos receiver I can put my height channels on walls but angled down towards the seating area.

Can you tell me why waveguides are bad specifically? I mean, they don't all spread sound out more than 90 degrees, do they? I wish I knew whether these 305s would be decent as height channels prior to purchase because in that case I won't buy them. My upgrade plan is to get two 305s to finish my 5 channels, then add two more for 7.1 classic, then put all four of those as height channels and get two more 308s for my seating height surrounds and then end up with a 5.1.4 setup with near identical speakers that are all powered.

Am I crazy to try and do this? I figure I could upgrade to 7.1, then when I get an Atmos receiver try out the surround rears as front heights, then decide if it sounds good and the sound field is decent.
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Simple solution...........order without transformer........I'm considering Tannoy CVS 601DC
Wow, did I miss the obvious or what? Next I suspect you will tell me that instead of buying ice I can simply put water in my freezer and wait a few hours...


Where are you thinking of buying them from?

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