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Regarding wide dispersion, how about Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s for atmos onceiling speakers? One good thing about these is you could get the speaker farther away from the seated listening position.

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Wow, did I miss the obvious or what? Next I suspect you will tell me that instead of buying ice I can simply put water in my freezer and wait a few hours...


Where are you thinking of buying them from?
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Another speaker for consideration is JBLPro 227C in-ceiling speaker.

6-1/2 coaxial with compression driver. 120 degree dispersion........Fullcompass overs full line for JBL in-ceiling speakers and have backer boxes available. Since my application requires speakers inside soundproofed shell hidden by ceiling cloud.....I'll be building my own backer boxes whether I use Tannoy or JBL......still considering Triad product.

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These any good?:

P-Audio SN6-150CX

http://www.p-audio.co.uk/pdf/SN6-150CX.pdf

Can be used in a small enclosure so may be less intrusive in smaller theatres. Will also need a crossover.

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Regarding wide dispersion, how about Thiel Powerpoint 1.2s for atmos onceiling speakers? One good thing about these is you could get the speaker farther away from the seated listening position.

http://www.audioshop.ru/data/uploads...nd-speaker.jpg
They look interesting and could suit my ceiling where I can't recess speakers into.
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I have a specific question.
I have JBL Northridge E series speakers in my HT (E80, E60, E10, EC25 with E80 as Fronts, E60 as wides and E10 as surrounds).
For Atmos, if I want to add in-ceiling speakers, what is my best choice would be (that will not drill a hole in my pocket.. )?
I am trying to go 7.1.4 configuration
Appreciate your help.
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I have a specific question.
I have JBL Northridge E series speakers in my HT (E80, E60, E10, EC25 with E80 as Fronts, E60 as wides and E10 as surrounds).
For Atmos, if I want to add in-ceiling speakers, what is my best choice would be (that will not drill a hole in my pocket.. )?
I am trying to go 7.1.4 configuration
Appreciate your help.
I am using Paradigm 60R - 30. About $300 ea. I have them matched with 7 series B&Ws on the floor and they work great. They are directional and sit at a 30 degree pitch. In other words the speakers do NOT fire straight down. This comes in quite handy in smaller rooms or with lower ceilings.

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I see no one is referencing or recommending the Yamaha NS-IC800 for Atmos.

I know that Yamaha is not a preferred brand for speakers but I have to say, I'm quite happy with my existing Yamaha's and I'm a bit surprised no one is talking about them. Is there something I'm missing? Wouldn't they be a good choice for in ceilings?

http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-NSIC800.../dp/B0046RE02W
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Guys, I have an all Paradigm setup (v4 Atoms, v5 Monitor 7s, 390 center) and looking to get some matching ceiling speakers. Do you think these would be good...

CS-60SQ-SM v2
http://www.paradigm.com/products-arc...-sm/page=specs


... if not, what would you recommend in the Paradigm line?

Or maybe I really don't need to worry about timbre matching and such for the ceiling?
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kind of the same question as Livin, I'm planning on purchasing Studio 60's with CC-590. for 4 x atmos ceiling speakers, i didnt want to spend the $$ for the SA-15R-30, would the AMS-150R-30 do the job (even those are pretty pricey as well)

from what i understand, its best to get the ones with the 30 degree angle.
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I just did some modeling in WinISD to compare the Eminence 10CX, 8CX and a P-Audio 6" coax driver (SN150). The 10 looks the better of the three if you have the space for their size, but the 150 seems to go lower than the 8CX in a similar sized box. It's the same price, including CD as the 8CX alone, so other than crossover, seems like a potentially better choice and value. I've no idea how hey actually sound though. Has anyone considered or even tried these? I'm very much a newb so hope some of the experts can offer an opinion.

I could get one but would need a hand with the crossover - these people have had some success it seems, albeit in a tower box. They've got a crossover but no values: http://www.lautsprecherbau.de/Magazi...en,900994,5226

I guess I could email and ask if they'd let me know the values or buy a crossover to test with.

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Polk OWM 5, are they good for Atmos top speakers?


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any thoughts on the Axiom in ceiling M3?


http://www.axiomaudio.com/m3-in-ceiling-speakers#t-3
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any thoughts on the Axiom in ceiling M3?


http://www.axiomaudio.com/m3-in-ceiling-speakers#t-3


Back on October 26 I asked Axiom what the dispersion of that speaker is and my question is still awaiting moderation - they have not even bothered to READ my question yet...


A wide dispersion is needed, or at least pointing the speaker towards the listener if you cannot get a wide dispersion. Unless you are putting this speaker directly above the listening area, I would not use it. This is sad, since all my surrounds are Axiom Audio M2 and M3 on walls and it would have been great for me.
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Ok, I know the thread title states ' in-ceiling', but jeez, aren't there any lazy slobs out there like me that would prefer the easier route of on-ceiling? The wide dispersion does fit the common in ceiling designs, but there have to be similar enclosed speakers for ceiling mounting. I was considering a ribbon tweeter type 2 way since it seems they have wider dispersions than cone tweeters, unless that is misinformation.
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I've wondered the same thing myself, esp. since the OP seems to be a DefTech fan like myself, wondered why not something from their Mythos XTR line since they're less than 2" thick.
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I was considering some XTR-40's for my VOG.


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I've wondered the same thing myself, esp. since the OP seems to be a DefTech fan like myself, wondered why not something from their Mythos XTR line since they're less than 2" thick.
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I was considering some XTR-40's for my VOG.

Since the VOG is a single speaker that sits directly above the MLP, it would seem most thinner speakers would work fine. But in Atmos, you have up to 4 speakers and the taller thin speakers may not spread sound as well as a coaxial design as they are positioned fore and aft of the MLP.
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I just purchased the DI 8R's. Hopefully they deliver what I'm looking for. Anybody ever heard these?
Did the DI 8Rs work well for you? I'm looking at getting 4 of them to put in my ceiling for an Atmos setup.
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Simple solution...........order without transformer........I'm considering Tannoy CVS 601DC
Can not find a CVS 601DC, there is a CMS 601DC.

I have yet to find any of the Tannoy ceiling speakers with baffles available without a transformer. It appears most will let you switch out the transformer and use it with a low Z amp.

Can you point me to where they are available without transformer?
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will 4 of those work for atmos set up mounted in wall at ceiling. I have 2 row seating 2 mounted in the middle of both rows and 2 behide. this is an exsiting set up. Don't think I can move them,should they be set to bipole or mono pole?

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Guys how about the B&W CCM series particularly the CCM7.4 ; CCM7.5 ; CCM 682 and CCM683?

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...es/CI-700.html

http://www.bowers-wilkins.com/Speake...es/CI-600.html

Thanks
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I haven't installed them yet, still waiting to grab the Marantz av7702
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Implementing Atmos, you do NOT want di or bi-poles!

You need 90 degree dispersion speakers......ie coaxials, concentric drivers (Tannoy coaxial) .
I don't care what Dolby recommend. Diffused speakers work better in my room for side/surrounds. I did have dipole sides, bipole rears but now have bipole for side and surrounds.

Monopoles for sides and surrounds doesn't work, I don't like them.
If you don't care what Dolby reccomends then you probaly shouldn't waste your money on an Aymos system. Bipoles & Dipoles will negate the 3D "objects" in Atmis.
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If you don't care what Dolby reccomends then you probaly shouldn't waste your money on an Aymos system. Bipoles & Dipoles will negate the 3D "objects" in Atmis.
I don't know what an Aymos system or an Atmis system is.

It would seem to me that if somebody wants to contribute information, it makes sense to make the comment while logged in on a real account, rather than creating a new account just to take potshots at someone.
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Serious question.

Granted, lots to be absorbed and just learning about ATMOS so I may be behind the curve.

But if the goal of the ceiling speaker in an atmos system is wide dispersion of the sound field, then why NOT something like Axiom qs-8's or an omni speaker such as Mirage omd-5's?

As always, thanks for legitimate input!
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As was mentioned earlier the Dolby specs sheet for ATMOS does suggest wide dispersion with ceiling mount speakers. I found the following TOA F-series ceiling speakers

toaelectronics.com

The specs have a much frequency response (approx. 70hZ-20khZ), similar to the Tannoy CVS mentioned before. Has anyone heard of used TOA ceiling speakers in a residential setting?

First post, restricted from posting hypertext link for the webpage, sorry.
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any thoughts on the Axiom in ceiling M3?


http://www.axiomaudio.com/m3-in-ceiling-speakers#t-3


This is what I was looking at since my 7.1 system is Axiom and their sales lit claims it is perfect for atmos.


Do we have a pioneer in the crowd?
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This is what I was looking at since my 7.1 system is Axiom and their sales lit claims it is perfect for atmos.

Do we have a pioneer in the crowd?

I bought a set of two during the Christmas sale season when I got them for 50% off. Unfortunately, I do not have an Atmos capable receiver yet, so I cannot tell you anything about how well they do in a ceiling. I DID connect them to where my side surrounds are currently located to make sure they work (one did not, Axiom replaced it very quickly) and they sound just as good as the on wall M3s I normally have there. So I would say they will do well as Atmos in ceiling speakers.


My only complaint is they do not have amiable tweeters, so I am only going to use them as the top center speakers since they will be very close to the seats. I will most likely use GoldenEar Invisia 650s for the other in ceiling speakers. I am in the process of upgrading my front three to GoldenEar speakers.
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