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I have the GoldenEar Invisa HTR 7000s.

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I was wandering the same thing. Going in living room,.
From the installation instructions:
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The C34E does not require a backer box and can be installed directly into an open space.
I'm installing backer boxes on my C34E's primarily for sound isolation, but also to protect the speakers. If you are putting them into a space where there will be loose insulation or dust, I'd probably at least put a sheet of plastic over the back to keep debris out of them.
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I'm installing backer boxes on my C34E's primarily for sound isolation, but also to protect the speakers. If you are putting them into a space where there will be loose insulation or dust, I'd probably at least put a sheet of plastic over the back to keep debris out of them.
Thank u sir., I’m waiting on there shipment to come in, and I’m ordering
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I'm installing backer boxes on my C34E's primarily for sound isolation, but also to protect the speakers. If you are putting them into a space where there will be loose insulation or dust, I'd probably at least put a sheet of plastic over the back to keep debris out of them.
I built boxes for mine also. But I'm still in the framing stage and it's easy. I wonder if there is any sound improvement of they are put in a box with polyfill.
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Anyone have any thoughts on which would be the better option for Atmos ceiling: 2x RSL C34's OR 4x Polk RC80i's? Both configurations are about the same price as the Polks can pretty regularly be found for $120-130/pr on sale.
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Anyone have any thoughts on which would be the better option for Atmos ceiling: 2x RSL C34's OR 4x Polk RC80i's? Both configurations are about the same price as the Polks can pretty regularly be found for $120-130/pr on sale.

If it's a question as to go with 4 Atmos speakers versus 2, if you can place them properly, then absolutely 4, and a lot of folks here use those Polks and like them.

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I too have the GoldenEar Invisa HTR 7000s as my Atmos speakers. My buddy has them too as well as my neighbor. They both were going to go with different in-ceiling brands but after comparing to my 7000s, they bit the bullet as they are expensive though! I noticed there are scenes in certain 4K movies where ceiling speakers act more like direct 2-channel speakers so it is nice these can handle the output clearly and cleanly.
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I too have the GoldenEar Invisa HTR 7000s as my Atmos speakers. My buddy has them too as well as my neighbor. They both were going to go with different in-ceiling brands but after comparing to my 7000s, they bit the bullet as they are expensive though! I noticed there are scenes in certain 4K movies where ceiling speakers act more like direct 2-channel speakers so it is nice these can handle the output clearly and cleanly.

Those do have nice specs.. but I see why they have gold in the name $$$ those puppy’s are high
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If it's a question as to go with 4 Atmos speakers versus 2, if you can place them properly, then absolutely 4, and a lot of folks here use those Polks and like them.

If you add a 2-Ch amp to something like the Denon X4400, does Audyssey calibrate all 11 channel or just the "internal" 9? 11-Ch AVR prices are pretty bonkers.
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If you add a 2-Ch amp to something like the Denon X4400, does Audyssey calibrate all 11 channel or just the "internal" 9? 11-Ch AVR prices are pretty bonkers.
All 11.

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backer boxes?

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^^^^^ What he said.

A $125 speaker with two tiny 4" inch drivers plus an aim-able tweeter in a room with another $45,000++ worth of speakers is pure nonsense. And they are far less efficient than all of the other speakers in the room. But .............. they work and so far, flawlessly. I don't know how they do it but if you have doubts, order two, put them in some home-made backer boxes (I think each requires something greater than 1cf) and listen. If you don't like them, return them. No brainer.

I came close to purchasing the Triad speaker built for this purpose ($800 each) but they were not available when I needed them and so gave these things a try. So I have saved $675 each (times 6) for total of $4,000. Heck of a deal !!!!!

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So my theater room is closed to finished: box in a box, airlock doors, decoupled 2x5/8th sheetrock with green glue. Am i screwed that i didn't build the boxed before I sheetrocked?

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So my theater room is closed to finished: box in a box, airlock doors, decoupled 2x5/8th sheetrock with green glue. Am i screwed that i didn't build the boxed before I sheetrocked?
Two possible solutions: (1) these speakers only need about 1cf in a backer box. So you can build them, finish them (in acoustic material) and hang the box and driver on the ceiling (yes, you will need a hole for the wire to go through but the speaker box can more than sufficiently cover that hole; or (2) cut the hole in your ceiling, build the backer boxes (double layer of MDF and sufficiently attach it to your ceiling. You should have no additional sound/air leakage if done this way.

Curious. What was your plan for ceiling speakers when you built the room?
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Those do have nice specs.. but I see why they have gold in the name $$$ those puppy’s are high
Agree!! But do sound amazing!!
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So my theater room is closed to finished: box in a box, airlock doors, decoupled 2x5/8th sheetrock with green glue. Am i screwed that i didn't build the boxed before I sheetrocked?
If sound isolation is important to you - and it sounds like it is - then you're going to need to either mount your speakers inside the room or cut out part of your ceiling to add backer boxes and then patch it back up. If you think you might go with the backer boxes and are ready to cut holes in your ceiling you can first try just mounting in the ceiling without boxes to see if the sound leakage is bearable. You can also try one of the flexible aftermarket backer boxes that can be shoved up through the speaker hole. RSL told me that these work well: http://www.dynamat.com/architectural...-home-dynabox/

For the box volume I've exchanged a few emails with RSL and they say 1 cu ft is only what you need to reach the full advertised bass extension but if you have a subwoofer and are crossing over at 80Hz then you can get by on much less - essentially any enclosure the speaker will fit in will allow it to hit 80Hz. I'm going to build a 1/3 cu ft box this week to test with. I'll take measurements this weekend and see if I need to go any bigger than that.
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Two possible solutions: (1) these speakers only need about 1cf in a backer box. So you can build them, finish them (in acoustic material) and hang the box and driver on the ceiling (yes, you will need a hole for the wire to go through but the speaker box can more than sufficiently cover that hole; or (2) cut the hole in your ceiling, build the backer boxes (double layer of MDF and sufficiently attach it to your ceiling. You should have no additional sound/air leakage if done this way.

Curious. What was your plan for ceiling speakers when you built the room?
Another option is building soffits inside the shell deep enough for the speakers and running the wires down the soffits. Maybe even toss in some can lights or LEDs to jazz up the soffits.

Option (2) above can work, but he needs a plan to secure the box in a way that supports the weight without touching any part of the structure outside the shell, is secure and sealed enough to prevent vibrations and rattles, and that allows the box to be inserted in through a hole after the box is built (or that involves some sort of cut-out sections of drywall and refastening the cut-out sections to the hat channel or whatever is supporting the ceiling drywall while isolating the drywall from the structure).
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If sound isolation is important to you - and it sounds like it is - then you're going to need to either mount your speakers inside the room or cut out part of your ceiling to add backer boxes and then patch it back up. If you think you might go with the backer boxes and are ready to cut holes in your ceiling you can first try just mounting in the ceiling without boxes to see if the sound leakage is bearable. You can also try one of the flexible aftermarket backer boxes that can be shoved up through the speaker hole. RSL told me that these work well: http://www.dynamat.com/architectural...-home-dynabox/

For the box volume I've exchanged a few emails with RSL and they say 1 cu ft is only what you need to reach the full advertised bass extension but if you have a subwoofer and are crossing over at 80Hz then you can get by on much less - essentially any enclosure the speaker will fit in will allow it to hit 80Hz. I'm going to build a 1/3 cu ft box this week to test with. I'll take measurements this weekend and see if I need to go any bigger than that.
so far i've installed 4 dynaboxes for my non home theatre in-ceiling speakers ... seem to work well... have 2 extras left
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Your local home theater company is in the business of making money and the best way to do that is to sell expensive speakers with a huge mark up. What's the best way to get people to buy these expensive speakers? Tell them not to waste their time with anything less.

IMO the RSL do a great job and I could buy 12 RSL speakers for less than you could buy one of the speakers they're recommending. To be honest I bet the Origin Acoustic speakers might sound a little better than the RSL speakers (at least I hope they do at 12X the cost). But I bet it wouldn't be all that much better.
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Can someone please advise ceiling locations for when the main seating position is against a rear wall? Or should I only do two front atmos speakers due to this instead of 4?

Second question. Local home theater company is recommending origin accustics 3 way atmos speakers. 10" 4" and tweeter. Crazy expensive $1,600 per speaker. Said don't even bother with 6" and to go with an 8" and if in the budget 10". I sure see a lot of happy forum members rocking RSL's which seem like tiny speakers.
If you are interested I do have a pair of Origin Acoustic D108 in-ceiling speakers available for sale brand new (half off OBO) ... mounting depth too great for my home theatre setup b/c of duct work (need 7.5 inches)

they are high end in-ceiling speakers (but probably overkill for ATMOS)
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Another option is building soffits inside the shell deep enough for the speakers and running the wires down the soffits. Maybe even toss in some can lights or LEDs to jazz up the soffits.

Option (2) above can work, but he needs a plan to secure the box in a way that supports the weight without touching any part of the structure outside the shell, is secure and sealed enough to prevent vibrations and rattles, and that allows the box to be inserted in through a hole after the box is built (or that involves some sort of cut-out sections of drywall and refastening the cut-out sections to the hat channel or whatever is supporting the ceiling drywall while isolating the drywall from the structure).
Exactly! My ceiling is 2 layers of 5/8th with GG screwed into hat channel with decoupler clips. When I built it I had no plans to go beyond 7.1. Then I purchased an anthem AVM 60 and plans changed!

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Exactly! My ceiling is 2 layers of 5/8th with GG screwed into hat channel with decoupler clips. When I built it I had no plans to go beyond 7.1. Then I purchased an anthem AVM 60 and plans changed!
Gonna get the most out of that Anthem AVM 60 gear!
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I have 18ft ceilings. Although not ideal, I have to imagine 2 or 4 ceiling speakers would make some difference.

Any thoughts to this scenario?
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I have 18ft ceilings. Although not ideal, I have to imagine 2 or 4 ceiling speakers would make some difference.

Any thoughts to this scenario?
That's pretty high but I would think if you really bumped up the levels it would work. Is it ideal? No, but nothing ever is in this hobby. We work with what we have.

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I feel like I've probably asked this question in the past year. I recently upgraded to support Atmos and have yet to install in-cielding speakers. I currently have a 5.2 setup with all NHT bookshelf speakers. I'm relatively pleased with them and plan to stick with them.

What are thoughts on the NHT iC2-ARC In-Ceiling Speakers

I think they can be had from a distributor for nearly half the price so it is tempting because they should match my other NHT speakers.
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I have four SVS Prime Elevation speakers taking care of my Atmos needs. https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation
I have no complaints.
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I have four SVS Prime Elevation speakers taking care of my Atmos needs. https://www.svsound.com/products/prime-elevation
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Hmm, those look great. Where do you have them mounted?
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Hmm, those look great. Where do you have them mounted?

I have them located directly above my front towers, and both sides of our couch/listening positions (amp assign: Top Front and Top Middle).
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I have them located directly above my front towers, and both sides of our couch/listening positions (amp assign: Top Front and Top Middle).
In a 7.1 configuration?
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In a 7.1 configuration?
7.1.4, yes.

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7.1.4, yes.

Receiver - Marantz SR7011
Amp - Emotiva XPA-DR2 (Ships next week, I'm told. Going to be used on Towers. Using a 100w 2 ch. for the time being on two of the height speakers.)
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Great set-up!

I have the ability to do 5.2.2 - those Prime Elevations look really easy to add. I already have speaker cable in the right where they'd need to be mounted. Super compelling!
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Pretending price was the same for a second, would the Klipsch CDT-5650-C II provide any benefit over the RSL C34E's for the purpose of adding Atmos ceiling speakers in a 5.1.4 system?
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Best in ceiling speakers for Atmos?

What do you guys think of the CDT-5800-C II??

I have a good connection that can get them for me for under 200.00 a speaker...

I havent heard them, but figure for that price, I can’t go wrong...?
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