Originally Posted by FattyMcButterPants
Well I thought they also admitted to improper setup. Regardless a room like that doesn't help matters lol.
No I was there. It was not set up. We literally took the speaker wire out of the back of it and into the FUSION 4 DIY someone brought and it sounded amazing. Same wires, amp and source. The set up issue was earlier when a cell phone was being used as the source- but all the speakers later used the same source, amp and signal. The cell phone was replaced when it was noticed that it performed poor and the change effected all the speakers.
While the RA sounded better the second time (I heard both) it was not anywhere close to as good at the $150 FUSION 4 at any point.
If I was to guess it's because the waveguide on the Fusion 4 and layout was a lot more favorable. The waveguide had a more limited vertical dispersion than the RA does being conical, and a much higher XO point because it's 4" woofers vs 15". Also it's 4 of the 4" woofers two above and two below the waveguide- so you get very good control of floor and ceiling bounce. So that speaker can throw a very wide sound, while being very limited in the throw of it's sound up and down. That's it's design. That means you got a lot less of that flutter echo from the parallel walls in Andrew living room that extended up two full stories.
I'm just guessing at this- but it makes sense to me and is the best explanation I can come up with. The speaker sounded so bad I thought it was broken.
The PSA I believe went after those two did and it sounded better than the RA 15" and still much worse than the FUSION 4- and the PSA I believe was a MTM so it had a higher level of control on floor and ceiling bounce as well- compared to the RA.
Speakers are about application. If there was ever an experience that showed how a $150 speaker can beat a $1000 one clearly it was that. I had a similar experience at the MA GTG where a $100 pair of DIY speakers I made (soft dome dayton with two 5" woofers MTM) sounded better than the RA10" or the JTR. Sure it lacked dynamics or the efficiency but it sounded better in that room and had a much bigger sound stage.
You can't judge a speaker if it's used in the wrong application, and simply choosing a speaker that is appropriate to the application will yield you way more performance gains than buying a better speaker would if it's otherwise wrong.
or you can treat your room and problems to make it work best with the speaker you have chosen- and that helps too. But the strategy is wrong IMO, even though it's how 90% of the people do it because they don't know better. If you pick the right speaker for the right application everything else is easier. That's why I was so critical of RA on the measurements thing. You can't do that without them. I see potential in RA, I mean they sell a speaker with a berylium phram delivered for like $1000 or something- That's amazing. It should and could easily be $2500+ if it had measurements. But you can't charge more or validate value without measurements.
The simply fact is most people are not going to look at a speaker and understand how it performs based on the parts used and the design layout. Those that do won't look at a speaker that lacks measurements either. It's a big sign to run away.