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But it gets made up for in the other ways.
Really works out well for me living an hour away from PSA but across the boarder in PA.
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Nice theater room! I don't know that high efficiency speakers are in a whole different league. The PSAs do sound very good. You may be able to save on external amps because they are easier to drive from a single AVR.


You like the MTM-210C for the center so get it. You will always wish you had if you opt for the MT-110C instead. I agree that the MTM-210C looks better for a center. Be sure it fits, measure twice buy once. You want the MTM-210C (not the MTM-210) because the wave guide has been rotated (you can do that yourself) and the logo on the grill is located bottom center. Not obvious on the PSA site, but when you opt for the pair of MT-110s and then add the MTM-210C as a center you get $100 off the price of the 210.


Then down the road a piece do your theater a favor and move the MT-110s to surround or rear duty and pick up a pair of MTM-210Ts for your front stage. It looks like you have room for them and they would look good!




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Hey everyone,

been lurking on the forums for a while now. I got a dedicated theater room. in the near future I wanna upgrade my speakers. I have polk tsi series and one svs pb2000 now. another pb2000 will come eventually, but I want to get better speakers.

I was thinking of trying the SVS Primes and others like them in that price range, but high efficiency speakers have grabbed my attention. I love watching my movies at about -10db.


So heres my question:

should I stick with speakers like the SVS primes and other like it in that price range, or just say screw it and get 3 MTM110s for the front and add the surrounds later?

-would the 210s be of any advantage in my room (I do like the look of the 210c better then the 110c)

I'm sure high efficiency speakers are in a whole different league than other speakers.(snip)

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Nice theater room! I don't know that high efficiency speakers are in a whole different league. The PSAs do sound very good. You may be able to save on external amps because they are easier to drive from a single AVR.


You like the MTM-210C for the center so get it. You will always wish you had if you opt for the MT-110C instead. I agree that the MTM-210C looks better for a center. Be sure it fits, measure twice buy once. You want the MTM-210C (not the MTM-210) because the wave guide has been rotated (you can do that yourself) and the logo on the grill is located bottom center. Not obvious on the PSA site, but when you opt for the pair of MT-110s and then add the MTM-210C as a center you get $100 off the price of the 210.


Then down the road a piece do your theater a favor and move the MT-110s to surround or rear duty and pick up a pair of MTM-210Ts for your front stage. It looks like you have room for them and they would look good!




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Hey everyone,

been lurking on the forums for a while now. I got a dedicated theater room. in the near future I wanna upgrade my speakers. I have polk tsi series and one svs pb2000 now. another pb2000 will come eventually, but I want to get better speakers.

I was thinking of trying the SVS Primes and others like them in that price range, but high efficiency speakers have grabbed my attention. I love watching my movies at about -10db.


So heres my question:

should I stick with speakers like the SVS primes and other like it in that price range, or just say screw it and get 3 MTM110s for the front and add the surrounds later?

-would the 210s be of any advantage in my room (I do like the look of the 210c better then the 110c)

I'm sure high efficiency speakers are in a whole different league than other speakers.(snip)
On average, the prime series will require about ten times the power, with 85-87dB sensitivity, to reach similar levels of the PSA line that's rated at 94-98dB; and you do listen at high volume, so there's that to consider.

The 210C does look sexy, sounds incredible, and I always buy a beefier center speaker even when saving on the rest of the system. The center channel is my only 210 speaker with the rest comprised of MT-110/SR. I bought the front 3 speakers first to give them a shot and had to buy the surrounds a month later. They're that good!

Here's a pic of my front stage...wish I could leave the grills off all the time! :smiley:
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Hi, there is a dedicated PSA subwoofer thread you should repost into: https://www.avsforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1372020

BTW the pic of the V1500 looks properly oriented to me. Did you think the driver & port have to face the corner?

I wanted dual V1500s but the footprint was too large so I went with S1500s (there was no 15V or 15s at the time). I still have plenty of headroom in a 3000 ft³ sealed room.

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Sorry, Marc! I thought I was in the subwoofer area. I'll move my message there.

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On average, the prime series will require about ten times the power, with 85-87dB sensitivity, to reach similar levels of the PSA line that's rated at 94-98dB; and you do listen at high volume, so there's that to consider.

The 210C does look sexy, sounds incredible, and I always buy a beefier center speaker even when saving on the rest of the system. The center channel is my only 210 speaker with the rest comprised of MT-110/SR. I bought the front 3 speakers first to give them a shot and had to buy the surrounds a month later. They're that good!

Here's a pic of my front stage...wish I could leave the grills off all the time! :smiley:
Very nice. I like the looks of that front stage, especially without the grills. Those V1800i's look great with those 110's sitting on top.

What size TV is that? 65?

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Very nice. I like the looks of that front stage, especially without the grills. Those V1800i's look great with those 110's sitting on top.

What size TV is that? 65?
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My input is if High Efficiency speakers have grabbed your attention then I would grab the either the 110's or the 210's. The 210T's will give more mid-bass punch but other than that (and the fact they look AWESOME) you won't hear a ton of difference.

So for price purposes I would choose the 110's. However, if mid-bass is important to you then I would consider the 210's.
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Nice theater room! I don't know that high efficiency speakers are in a whole different league. The PSAs do sound very good. You may be able to save on external amps because they are easier to drive from a single AVR.


You like the MTM-210C for the center so get it. You will always wish you had if you opt for the MT-110C instead. I agree that the MTM-210C looks better for a center. Be sure it fits, measure twice buy once. You want the MTM-210C (not the MTM-210) because the wave guide has been rotated (you can do that yourself) and the logo on the grill is located bottom center. Not obvious on the PSA site, but when you opt for the pair of MT-110s and then add the MTM-210C as a center you get $100 off the price of the 210.


Then down the road a piece do your theater a favor and move the MT-110s to surround or rear duty and pick up a pair of MTM-210Ts for your front stage. It looks like you have room for them and they would look good!
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On average, the prime series will require about ten times the power, with 85-87dB sensitivity, to reach similar levels of the PSA line that's rated at 94-98dB; and you do listen at high volume, so there's that to consider.

The 210C does look sexy, sounds incredible, and I always buy a beefier center speaker even when saving on the rest of the system. The center channel is my only 210 speaker with the rest comprised of MT-110/SR. I bought the front 3 speakers first to give them a shot and had to buy the surrounds a month later. They're that good!

Here's a pic of my front stage...wish I could leave the grills off all the time! :smiley:

Thanks for the feedback guys! I like the idea of doing the 210c for the center and 110s for the left and right to start. My end game is 7.1 with 2 subs (PB2000s already have one) Ill do wutever is needed to make it fit so that's not an issue. However, PSA doesn't offer free shipping and returns anymore I noticed. Now I'm thinking how much will it cost me to send them back if I don't like them.


Ive never had horn loaded speakers before. How do these sound? The 210c is only a 2 way speaker correct? does this mean off axis viewing might be an issue or no? Any detailed input on how they sound would be awesome. Thanks guys.

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Thanks for the feedback guys! I like the idea of doing the 210c for the center and 110s for the left and right to start. My end game is 7.1 with 2 subs (PB2000s already have one) Ill do wutever is needed to make it fit so that's not an issue. However, PSA doesn't offer free shipping and returns anymore I noticed. Now I'm thinking how much will it cost me to send them back if I don't like them.


Ive never had horn loaded speakers before. How do these sound? The 210c is only a 2 way speaker correct? does this mean off axis viewing might be an issue or no? Any detailed input on how they sound would be awesome. Thanks guys.
Speakers are always subjective so all we can do is share our opinions but I have to say that IMO they sound incredible. I just finished watching James Bond Spectre and last night I watched Live, Die, Repeat and in both cases I kept thinking about just how awesome the speakers sound (as well as the subwoofers).

No lie… an hour ago I was literally thinking to myself that my speaker/sub system is far and away the best set of purchases I have ever made.
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Speakers are always subjective so all we can do is share our opinions but I have to say that IMO they sound incredible. I just finished watching James Bond Spectre and last night I watched Live, Die, Repeat and in both cases I kept thinking about just how awesome the speakers sound (as well as the subwoofers).

No lie… an hour ago I was literally thinking to myself that my speaker/sub system is far and away the best set of purchases I have ever made.
Hey, Hop. I see in your sig you have the Image T5 in your living room. While I realize they wouldn't have the composure of the PSAs at higher volumes, especially with movie dynamics, how would you rate them in comparison? I'm guessing the PSAs should be a whole better tier level of speaker when comparing at moderate listening volumes.
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Ive never had horn loaded speakers before. How do these sound? The 210c is only a 2 way speaker correct? does this mean off axis viewing might be an issue or no? Any detailed input on how they sound would be awesome. Thanks guys.
Take a read through some of the JBL Pro threads and the DIY threads regarding the advantages and disadvantages of compression drivers and wave guides. JBL's flagship M2 uses a compression driver and a very sophisticated wave guide.

Contrary to their name, compression drivers (which are horn loaded/use wave guides) generally have much less compression than dome tweeters at higher spls. Many people prefer dome tweeters at lower listening levels, but good compression drivers are generally better for dynamic movie tracks when listening at or near reference, IMO. Also, efficient two way speakers can have advantages over three way depending on implementation when crossed over with subs.

Jump to about 35 minutes (maybe a little past) of this HTG episode with JBL Pro engineers talking about the pros and cons of two ways, compression drivers, wave guides, and dispersion related to the flagship M2.

https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false


Edit: And I didn't mean to pump JBL in a PSA thread, only to address the issue of compression drivers and horns and two-way speakers with some examples I have seen or read about recently.
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Take a read through some of the JBL Pro threads and the DIY threads regarding the advantages and disadvantages of compression drivers and wave guides. JBL's flagship M2 uses a compression driver and a very sophisticated wave guide.

Contrary to their name, compression drivers (which are horn loaded/use wave guides) generally have much less compression than dome tweeters at higher spls. Many people prefer dome tweeters at lower listening levels, but good compression drivers are generally better for dynamic movie tracks when listening at or near reference, IMO. Also, efficient two way speakers can have advantages over three way depending on implementation when crossed over with subs.

Jump to about 35 minutes (maybe a little past) of this HTG episode with JBL Pro engineers talking about the pros and cons of two ways, compression drivers, wave guides, and dispersion related to the flagship M2.

https://twit.tv/shows/home-theater-g...utostart=false


Edit: And I didn't mean to pump JBL in a PSA thread, only to address the issue of compression drivers and horns and two-way speakers with some examples I have seen or read about recently.
I can clearly confirm this - at least on my example of listening to the Polk RTi-A9 vs. the PSA MTM-210T.

The dome tweeter first of all needs more output from the AV / Amp in order to get to the same level - but then also start to compress and sound rough. The PSA speakers you can keep at less output for much more and much clearer output than the Polks can deliver.

I find ourselves generally now listening around 3-5db less on the AV, however, feeling an sound improvement for sure. And believe me, I was hesitant towards horns myself.
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Hey, Hop. I see in your sig you have the Image T5 in your living room. While I realize they wouldn't have the composure of the PSAs at higher volumes, especially with movie dynamics, how would you rate them in comparison? I'm guessing the PSAs should be a whole better tier level of speaker when comparing at moderate listening volumes.
Good question. When I had my Polk Rti-A7's in the HT and the PSB Image T5's in the Living Room I thought the Image T5's had much better clarity. I found the sound stage to be similar but the T5's delivered a cleaner and clearer sound. Very nice!

So I thought the T5's were great…. until I met the PSA speakers. Don't get me wrong, the T5's are still a very good speaker and I would highly recommend them to someone who listens to music and movies at softer levels (say -20 or above) and like things laid back. They are definitely "Respectable" speakers and look beautiful IMO.

BUT…. The T5's are not in the same league as the PSA's, even at moderate listening levels. The PSA speakers have an incredible soundstage where as the T5's have an "average" soundstage.

When it comes to overall sound the two speakers are totally different animals. ... the PSA's are alive and clean, they have a clarity that is thrilling to listen to, they make you feel alive. The T5's are more laid back with an easy going sound that is respectable (perhaps forgettable?).

In short it's hard to find anything to negative about the T5's, they are a really good speaker. But if I had to rate them I would say they are two tiers below the PSA speakers.

Perhaps the best comparison I can give is this… When I watch a movie with the PSA set up I notice the soundtrack. Everything from the film score to the sound effects comes alive and I often find myself smiling. When I watch a movie with the Image T5's I don't notice the sound track and I just watch the movie for what it is.
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In short it's hard to find anything to negative about the T5's, they are a really good speaker. But if I had to rate them I would say they are two tiers below the PSA speakers.
That's good to hear. But makes my decision tougher. Fortunately, won't have the funds for a while. Bought too much audio equipment this summer

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As has been stated in this thread multiple times....don't think horn = shrill and ear piercing. with some manufacturers, yes....very fatiguing. to a point i was a bit nervous about this, but after a few conversations with tom, i had the confidence to pull the trigger on the 210s. so, so, so glad i did. i love the sound signature of the PSA speakers, and truthfully wouldn't trade them out for anything else out there. they effortlessly fill my entire room with sound and almost have a "3d" effect to them. even running in 2ch mode, i swear i have to check my rear surrounds to make sure they aren't on as the sounds are coming from behind me and off to the side. they aren't high pitched, but they are extremely clear with dialog. crisp, but not crispy. they are subtle when they need to be, but man do they come alive when called upon. could they have more bottom end? well, i wouldn't complain really, but at the end of the day that is why i bought a capable sub....which, btw, they blend with seamlessly. they really are a great speaker, especially when you factor in the cost. and i'm sure tom can correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't thing too many of them come back because they are "disliked" sound-wise. there typically aren't too many in the outlet section, and i would bet some of the smaller ones are trade-ins for the towers.
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The 210Ts integrate so well with the subs and play so effortlessly with the head room I have now! It's a real pleasure to enjoy whatever kind of music I want to listen to. Some of the plus factors you don't think about too much until you have these and have had a chance to examine them......the construction design is outstanding; they're built like the proverbial tank . The floor "outriggers" could probably support three times the weight. These speakers are the embodiment of high quality American built goods. I'm more happy I got them every time I listen to them. Looking forward to being able to afford to complete my system with PSA surrounds.
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Hey guys I just wanted to share my experience with a very high tech and expensive loudspeaker tool. No seriously I have been through at least six laser pointers in my time with speakers trying to get the exact toe in angles from both speakers within a 1/16th of an inch without success. I finally found something that I had no idea what it's used for, it's called a wireless presenter (I'm old school) and didn't even know what it did. Anyway I bought it and must say I'm thrilled with it's accuracy and ease of use.

I has a nice flat surface which you can lay on the inside or outside cab walls, no rolling around like typical laser pointers, and it has a rechargeable battery with an USB interface. It's very expensive at I think $15 . Just thought I would share this with anybody who may have an interest in getting the exact toe in angle for each speaker, it's nice for centers that are angled up or down as well. Enjoy

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Sweet, I just found a similar one while browsing your link for only $10.99 shipped...that's ridiculous. I remember paying $125 for a radioschack laser pointer in the early 90s.
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Its interesting that so many highly regarded speakers here (JTR, Danley, JBL 4722/M2, PSA) all share the same design philosophy - horn loaded cd and big woofers, usually 2-way design high efficiency speakers. I have the 'poor mans' version of these - Behringer B212XL which I found in this thread - https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...l-r-mains.html

I've never owned really high end speakers so I have no real baseline but the obvious advantage is they need much less power and are more directional. The thread has people singing their praises for the dynamics for movies played near reference, just like the PSA/JBL speakers. Very different from Klipsch horns (the cheap ones anyway) for sure.

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As has been stated in this thread multiple times....don't think horn = shrill and ear piercing. with some manufacturers, yes....very fatiguing. to a point i was a bit nervous about this, but after a few conversations with tom, i had the confidence to pull the trigger on the 210s. so, so, so glad i did. i love the sound signature of the PSA speakers, and truthfully wouldn't trade them out for anything else out there. they effortlessly fill my entire room with sound and almost have a "3d" effect to them. even running in 2ch mode, i swear i have to check my rear surrounds to make sure they aren't on as the sounds are coming from behind me and off to the side. they aren't high pitched, but they are extremely clear with dialog. crisp, but not crispy. they are subtle when they need to be, but man do they come alive when called upon. could they have more bottom end? well, i wouldn't complain really, but at the end of the day that is why i bought a capable sub....which, btw, they blend with seamlessly. they really are a great speaker, especially when you factor in the cost. and i'm sure tom can correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't thing too many of them come back because they are "disliked" sound-wise. there typically aren't too many in the outlet section, and i would bet some of the smaller ones are trade-ins for the towers.
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The 210Ts integrate so well with the subs and play so effortlessly with the head room I have now! It's a real pleasure to enjoy whatever kind of music I want to listen to. Some of the plus factors you don't think about too much until you have these and have had a chance to examine them......the construction design is outstanding; they're built like the proverbial tank . The floor "outriggers" could probably support three times the weight. These speakers are the embodiment of high quality American built goods. I'm more happy I got them every time I listen to them. Looking forward to being able to afford to complete my system with PSA surrounds.
Spot on guys. After writing my post comparing the T5's to the PSA speakers the line "I won't be ignored" from Fatal Attraction came to mind. The PSA speakers simply won't be ignored, but in a very good way. They pull you right into the movie and make you feel like you're living it. All other speakers I've ever owned just kind of play the audio, PSA speakers pull you INTO the audio. Simply awesome.
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@Roadwar … were you the one that had the Polk LSM series?

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Yes, they are (were) the currently available LSiM bookshelves (newer than the older LSi series). They are excellent speakers but they do pale considerably when played in comparison to the 210s. Better highs (the Polks use a somewhat meh ring radiator tweeter), MUCH better mid bass (of course). The dynamics and the additional headroom using the same amps is pretty amazing.
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Yes, they are (were) the currently available LSiM bookshelves (newer than the older LSi series). They are excellent speakers but they do pale considerably when played in comparison to the 210s. Better highs (the Polks use a somewhat meh ring radiator tweeter), MUCH better mid bass (of course). The dynamics and the additional headroom using the same amps is pretty amazing.
That's what I felt as well when I had heard the LSiM, they seemed very nice but the PSA are so much more.
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The 210s just seem to do everything well.....soft music or music so loud, clear, and realistic you feel you're there; movies with better sound than you can get in the theater; the best tv sound you ever heard. I know I sound like I'm a fanboy but damn they sound good.
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Nothing wrong with liking your speakers and talking about it. IMO that's not being a fanboy that's just being happy.

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Speakers are always subjective so all we can do is share our opinions but I have to say that IMO they sound incredible. I just finished watching James Bond Spectre and last night I watched Live, Die, Repeat and in both cases I kept thinking about just how awesome the speakers sound (as well as the subwoofers).

No lie… an hour ago I was literally thinking to myself that my speaker/sub system is far and away the best set of purchases I have ever made.
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Take a read through some of the JBL Pro threads and the DIY threads regarding the advantages and disadvantages of compression drivers and wave guides. JBL's flagship M2 uses a compression driver and a very sophisticated wave guide.

Contrary to their name, compression drivers (which are horn loaded/use wave guides) generally have much less compression than dome tweeters at higher spls. Many people prefer dome tweeters at lower listening levels, but good compression drivers are generally better for dynamic movie tracks when listening at or near reference, IMO. Also, efficient two way speakers can have advantages over three way depending on implementation when crossed over with subs.

Jump to about 35 minutes (maybe a little past) of this HTG episode with JBL Pro engineers talking about the pros and cons of two ways, compression drivers, wave guides, and dispersion related to the flagship M2.

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I can clearly confirm this - at least on my example of listening to the Polk RTi-A9 vs. the PSA MTM-210T.

The dome tweeter first of all needs more output from the AV / Amp in order to get to the same level - but then also start to compress and sound rough. The PSA speakers you can keep at less output for much more and much clearer output than the Polks can deliver.

I find ourselves generally now listening around 3-5db less on the AV, however, feeling an sound improvement for sure. And believe me, I was hesitant towards horns myself.
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Good question. When I had my Polk Rti-A7's in the HT and the PSB Image T5's in the Living Room I thought the Image T5's had much better clarity. I found the sound stage to be similar but the T5's delivered a cleaner and clearer sound. Very nice!

So I thought the T5's were great…. until I met the PSA speakers. Don't get me wrong, the T5's are still a very good speaker and I would highly recommend them to someone who listens to music and movies at softer levels (say -20 or above) and like things laid back. They are definitely "Respectable" speakers and look beautiful IMO.

BUT…. The T5's are not in the same league as the PSA's, even at moderate listening levels. The PSA speakers have an incredible soundstage where as the T5's have an "average" soundstage.

When it comes to overall sound the two speakers are totally different animals. ... the PSA's are alive and clean, they have a clarity that is thrilling to listen to, they make you feel alive. The T5's are more laid back with an easy going sound that is respectable (perhaps forgettable?).

In short it's hard to find anything to negative about the T5's, they are a really good speaker. But if I had to rate them I would say they are two tiers below the PSA speakers.

Perhaps the best comparison I can give is this… When I watch a movie with the PSA set up I notice the soundtrack. Everything from the film score to the sound effects comes alive and I often find myself smiling. When I watch a movie with the Image T5's I don't notice the sound track and I just watch the movie for what it is.
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As has been stated in this thread multiple times....don't think horn = shrill and ear piercing. with some manufacturers, yes....very fatiguing. to a point i was a bit nervous about this, but after a few conversations with tom, i had the confidence to pull the trigger on the 210s. so, so, so glad i did. i love the sound signature of the PSA speakers, and truthfully wouldn't trade them out for anything else out there. they effortlessly fill my entire room with sound and almost have a "3d" effect to them. even running in 2ch mode, i swear i have to check my rear surrounds to make sure they aren't on as the sounds are coming from behind me and off to the side. they aren't high pitched, but they are extremely clear with dialog. crisp, but not crispy. they are subtle when they need to be, but man do they come alive when called upon. could they have more bottom end? well, i wouldn't complain really, but at the end of the day that is why i bought a capable sub....which, btw, they blend with seamlessly. they really are a great speaker, especially when you factor in the cost. and i'm sure tom can correct me if i'm wrong, but i don't thing too many of them come back because they are "disliked" sound-wise. there typically aren't too many in the outlet section, and i would bet some of the smaller ones are trade-ins for the towers.
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The 210Ts integrate so well with the subs and play so effortlessly with the head room I have now! It's a real pleasure to enjoy whatever kind of music I want to listen to. Some of the plus factors you don't think about too much until you have these and have had a chance to examine them......the construction design is outstanding; they're built like the proverbial tank . The floor "outriggers" could probably support three times the weight. These speakers are the embodiment of high quality American built goods. I'm more happy I got them every time I listen to them. Looking forward to being able to afford to complete my system with PSA surrounds.
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Spot on guys. After writing my post comparing the T5's to the PSA speakers the line "I won't be ignored" from Fatal Attraction came to mind. The PSA speakers simply won't be ignored, but in a very good way. They pull you right into the movie and make you feel like you're living it. All other speakers I've ever owned just kind of play the audio, PSA speakers pull you INTO the audio. Simply awesome.
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The 210s just seem to do everything well.....soft music or music so loud, clear, and realistic you feel you're there; movies with better sound than you can get in the theater; the best tv sound you ever heard. I know I sound like I'm a fanboy but damn they sound good.

Thanks for the input guys! checked out the HTG video. Very interesting. Seems like the PSAs are exceptional speakers. Can not wait til I have the funds to be able to try 210c and 2 110s. Measured and the 210c and it will fit perfectly where I need it to go. Hearing the comments about how they suck you into the movie makes me wanna hear them even more. Even with my polk tsi speakers and one SVS PB-2000, my wife and I would rather watch a movie in our theater room than go to the theater, so I really cant imagine having the PSA speakers and dual subs. I showed her a picture of the 210c and she just shook her head


-Anyone have a video of their PSA speakers in action. Z reviews has one, but anyone else? the 210c specifically?


-Also Z reviews said he wouldn't suggest SVS subs with the PSA speakers. Now, that has to be a load of bs right? He said PSA subs r designed to go as loud as the speakers, but I'm pretty sure any reputable subwoofer (such as the PB-2000) would be just fine right? I love it and instead of starting over id rather just add a second PB-2000

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Nothing wrong with liking your speakers and talking about it. IMO that's not being a fanboy that's just being happy.
That's me at a concert last week waiting for Shinedown to open. I ran into a guy with a Klipsch shirt on, and we gave each other the nod. Does that make me fanboy? Lol, or just great advertising
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your pb2000 should hold up just fine bats. now if you were the owner of something like a polk sub, then there may be a problem keeping up, but certainly the 2000 is on another level than that. now, i do feel the PSA subs are a step up from the 2000, but not so much that you wouldn't be able to blend the 210's with it. no worries there.

now, with the larger PSA subs, there would be concern the other way around, as in...the subs overshadowing the speakers and not being able to keep up. that's where the 210s shine IMO. they are just so crystal clear and composed even at extreme levels. no such thing as my v3600 swallowing up the 210s. they just both keep increasing and blowing my mind in every aspect whether movies or music. lesser speakers would most likely struggle much sooner and get overpowered by the v3600.
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That's me at a concert last week waiting for Shinedown to open. I ran into a guy with a Klipsch shirt on, and we gave each other the nod. Does that make me fanboy? Lol, or just great advertising
i ALMOST wore my PSA shirt to cedar point the other day...i really wanted to. but i got the white one and i really didn't want to get some sort of ride grease or something like that on it, so it stayed in the closet. if only i would have had one of the black or blue ones.....

fanboy? eh.....been called worse. but hey, when i find something that performs the way the PSA stuff does, and on top of that they are in my backyard and they have customer service second to none....i'll brag about them every chance i get. there's nothing better than word of mouth advertisement and if i believe in a company i have no issue shouting from the rooftops.
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-Also Z reviews said he wouldn't suggest SVS subs with the PSA speakers. Now, that has to be a load of bs right? He said PSA subs r designed to go as loud as the speakers, but I'm pretty sure any reputable subwoofer (such as the PB-2000) would be just fine right? I love it and instead of starting over id rather just add a second PB-2000
I stopped listening to him a long time ago when he started providing speaker demos for people. Listening to speakers on YouTube to evaluate for purchase makes about as much sense as watching videos of TVs on your TV to choose one. His recording process is probably coloring the sound some. Then whatever the viewer plays it back on will be coloring the sound. The frequency response you hear won't likely be the actual frequency response of the speakers and it could be very far off. Doubtful the recording process is accurately capturing and conveying soundstage, imaging, or transient response either. Most people will come away with more misleading information than useful information.

And then his homemade headphone recording contraption is comical:
I know someone who listened to his demos and purchased based on that advice. They didn't know any better, and they weren't too happy when the headphones didn't sound anything like the video. (lol)

So no. I don't place credibility in what he says. Just because someone makes a lot of YouTube videos and gets lots of hits doesn't make them an authority. And if he does understand that his demos are misleading and does it anyway for hits, I don't have any respect for that.

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