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When I asked Tom about switching the 110's to 210's his reply was "don't expect to be blown away" buy switching. That's Tom being honest as usual. He could of said there is a tremendous difference, but didn't. He never tries to up sell you when not necesssary. That's the
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When I went to upgrade to a PSA LCR, I chatted with Tom about the MT110 vs MT210. He recommended the MT110 for that same reason, so I saved a bit of money on the MT110 LCR over the MT210 LCR and got some MT110SR to finish it off!
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I thought so. I was an NDI specialist for COMFAIRWESTPAC before I got out. Did enjoy that part of my job.
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I thought so. I was an NDI specialist for COMFAIRWESTPAC before I got out. Did enjoy that part of my job.
Wow! Small word shipmate…I was the same rate but east coast, now we still have the same passion PSA speakers.
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[QUOTE=vardo;48578713]I have an all Emotiva power amp(s) setup. XPA-5 for L/R/C and side surrounds (150w channel), and an Emotiva bassX A-700 7 channel amp
(80 watts continues to all channels) running my rear L/R MT-110sr's (.6 and .7) and 4 overhead Atmos speakers. The pre-amp is a
Marantz 11.2 av7702MK11. PSA speakers are so efficient (the front and surrounds) it isn't really necessary to run a separate pre plus power amps, but I'm an old dog...and that's the way I've always done it. Very happy with the current setup.


I hear you, thanks for sharing your experience. I'm doing something similar to your set up, same pre and amps and wanted to know people experience with them.
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@FattyMcButterPants ...you are gonna love the MT110's. I had the MT110's L/R/C and they were amazing. I upgraded to the 210T's and 210 center,

and the 3 MT-110's are in storage. Somehow I just keep putting off putting them up for sale. They are terrifc. The difference between the

MT110's and 210's is minimal at most. Like Hop said, the 210T's have a little more mid bass, this in part to the dual 10" mid/woofers and larger enclosure.



When I asked Tom about switching the 110's to 210's his reply was "don't expect to be blown away" buy switching. That's Tom being honest as usual. He could of said there is a tremendous difference, but didn't. He never tries to up sell you when not necesssary. That's the

nature of PSA's customer service.



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Thanks for the encouragement! I hope you are right. I have the 210T's in my living room right now and can't get enough of them! My goal with the 110's is to recreate that experience in a bedroom setup so that I can be less disruptive to others when they want peace and quiet. I mean, it still won't be super quiet, but I'm hoping it'll at least make for a decent compromise for them.

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Wow! Small word shipmate…I was the same rate but east coast, now we still have the same passion PSA speakers.
Right on Shipmate! Did you go to P'cola for NDI school. Agree with the passion for PSA speakers and subs! Now we just need some Atmos modules to make my buy a new receiver!
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I see in your signature line that you are running Emotiva amps with your PSA MTM 210T and 210C. I have a set of MTM 210 and 210C. I have been thinking on getting a Marantz pre-amp along with a couple of Emotiva amps. My curiosity, if you don’t mind, is how will you characterize the Emotiva sound thru the PSA’s? Especially with music if you play any. I understand that you should consider your speakers sensitivity when choosing an amp and some people will argue that the Emotiva amps are overkill for our PSA speakers. Power handling of the 210’s is 175W with 98db sensitivity, does running an amp rated to 250W per channel or 600W like the monoblocks would present the risk of damage? I will welcome the opinion of anybody running a similar set up.

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I play a lot of music through this system. The sound quality with a high quality pre-amp or processor is simply stunning. I owned Carver separates in the 80s and 90s along with good Infinity speakers (before I got out of high fidelity equipment for 15 years) and sound quality wise this system just completely outplays anything I've ever owned. The XPA1-L mono amps are rated at 250 wpc. Their control of the 210 towers Is SO dynamic. Of course as you know it's all about the system. I know that these speakers will sound good with a quality receiver but I believe that LOTS of amplifier headroom allows the dynamics of the system to shine. The midbass is palpable and the highs are so crisp and lifelike. I have my subs crossed over at 80Hz. You would not be able to stay in the room with the system playing loud enough to hurt the PSAs. Your ears would be bleeding . On well recorded music this system comes closer to sounding like I'm there than anything I've owned before.

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Maybe I'm way off base here, but I'd imagine even a 1000w amp hooked to the speakers wouldn't cause damage unless you turned them up way to high. I'd wager to say an under powered amp will damage the speakers long before an over powered amp would. The higher wattage amps should just give you more headroom. Hearing just the 110's at high volume, I can't imagine a scenario where you'd run the speakers so loud you'd damage them before you went deaf.
Yes, an underpowered amp will mess up speakers if overworked and sound like crap doing it.
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@craig did you buy the Marantz 11.2 av7702MK11 when I posted that Outlaw had a private sale going on and it was $1000, when I was asking if it was a good deal, I guess it was if you did indeed buy it from the Outlaws that day, like an idiot I didn't,forgot completely about it till it was too late. I have two of the model 5000s and another stereo amp which would have been perfect for Atmos as I don't have an Atmos capable pre or AVR................

Quick question: I just found out that Panasonic is no longer manufacturing TVs of any kind, is this old or new news....?

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Right on Shipmate! Did you go to P'cola for NDI school. Agree with the passion for PSA speakers and subs! Now we just need some Atmos modules to make my buy a new receiver!
Yes I went to P’cola in ’97, I think that was their first year in FL. About the PSA speakers I just finish the upgrade this year and now I’m looking to my receiver and want something with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 plus separate the FL & FR from the AVR for 2 ch music.

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I play a lot of music through this system. The sound quality with a high quality pre-amp or processor is simply stunning. I owned Carver separates in the 80s and 90s along with good Infinity speakers (before I got out of high fidelity equipment for 15 years) and sound quality wise this system just completely outplays anything I've ever owned. The XPA1-L mono amps are rated at 250 wpc. Their control of the 210 towers Is SO dynamic. Of course as you know it's all about the system. I know that these speakers will sound good with a quality receiver but I believe that LOTS of amplifier headroom allows the dynamics of the system to shine. The midbass is palpable and the highs are so crisp and lifelike. I have my subs crossed over at 80Hz. You would not be able to stay in the room with the system playing loud enough to hurt the PSAs. Your ears would be bleeding . On well recorded music this system comes closer to sounding like I'm there than anything I've owned before.
Ok thanks, your comments are very promising, I’m planning to get a Parasound Halo P5 pre together with Emotiva to run my PSA front speakers in 2 ch mode and use the Halo P5 HT bypass for HT. I will love to get Parasound amp together with the pre but I can get the Emo practically free from Amazon by using my frequent flyer points for gift cards. Eventually my receiver will be upgraded too next year with a pre with Audyssey MultEQ XT32. Some people describe the sound of the Emo amps harsh/bright so I was really curious about the PSA/Emo combo, good to hear that you have a winner setup…

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Yes I went to P’cola in ’97, I think that was their first year in FL. About the PSA speakers I just finish the upgrade this year and now I’m looking to my receiver and want something with Audyssey MultEQ XT32 plus separate the FL & FR from the AVR for 2 ch music.
WOW! I went in July of 97 myself......Small world. Gunny Holyoke(?) and CPO Bartolo...
Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is the way to go! I have that in my Marantz SR7008. I would get something that is Atmos enabled, so you can be ready for that upgrade as well. Quite a few great new receivers out there. Some have been picking up the new Denon receivers.
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Ok thanks, your comments are very promising, I’m planning to get a Parasound Halo P5 pre together with Emotiva to run my PSA front speakers in 2 ch mode and use the Halo P5 HT bypass for HT. I will love to get Parasound amp together with the pre but I can get the Emo practically free from Amazon by using my frequent flyer points for gift cards. Eventually my receiver will be upgraded too next year with a pre with Audyssey MultEQ XT32. Some people describe the sound of the Emo amps harsh/bright so I was really curious about the PSA/Emo combo, good to hear that you have a winner setup…
Wow! Free Emo amps is very cool. I think the Emos are very neutral. They play what's given them without any coloration. Since I was already using separates when I got the PSAs, I of course have no comparison between what they sound like with a receiver versus separate preamp. However I have changed preamp/processors just in the last month and noticed a change for the better in sound quality as well as how the processor handles HDMI switching. I upgraded from the earlier Emotiva UMC-200 to the current model XMC-1version 2. I am through with front end speaker and processor upgrades for the forseeable future. My wife wants that in writing.

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WOW! I went in July of 97 myself......Small world. Gunny Holyoke(?) and CPO Bartolo...
Audyssey MultEQ XT32 is the way to go! I have that in my Marantz SR7008. I would get something that is Atmos enabled, so you can be ready for that upgrade as well. Quite a few great new receivers out there. Some have been picking up the new Denon receivers.
Hum, maybe we were there at the same time, I finished in Sept of 97, I remember those guys you mention.
My Marantz is the SR7007 it use another version of Audyssey that is why I'm thinking of upgrade.

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Hum, maybe we were there at the same time, I finished in Sept of 97, I remember those guys you mention.
My Marantz is the SR7007 it use another version of Audyssey that is why I'm thinking of upgrade.
basshead81 just put up a mini review in the PSA sub thread, as he bought a newer Yamaha.
Take a look at that. I left NDI school in November 97'. The Navy sent me to Sicily to HC-4 to work on MH-53Es
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@craig did you buy the Marantz 11.2 av7702MK11 when I posted that Outlaw had a private sale going on and it was $1000, when I was asking if it was a good deal, I guess it was if you did indeed buy it from the Outlaws that day, like an idiot I didn't,forgot completely about it till it was too late. I have two of the model 5000s and another stereo amp which would have been perfect for Atmos as I don't have an Atmos capable pre or AVR................

Quick question: I just found out that Panasonic is no longer manufacturing TVs of any kind, is this old or new news....?

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@ahblaza Yes Jeffrey I did pick up the Marantz AV7702MKII from Outlaw's secret sale. At $1000 I could not pass it up.

I signed up for the Outlaw secret sale,(former customer) but didn't think there would be anything I would be interested in.
When you mentioned the sale and price of the Marantz in the sub forum, I logged on to the Outlaw email and sure enough
a $2,100 pre for a grand. So I have you to thank for the post you made about it.....otherwise I propbably would have
forgotten all about the sale . Of course 3 days later when the 7703's came out Amazon and other sites droped the price to $1199.
So still a pretty good price for what you get.

https://www.amazon.com/Marantz-AV770...ntz+av7702mkii

I didn't hear about Panasonic not manufacturing TV's anymore. I've been searching for a 4K TV (for when my current TV
bites the dust)....and come to think of it I have not seen any Panasonic TV's for sale. That's bad news. But the price of
4k HDR TV's keep going down....which is good news.

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I didn't hear about Panasonic not manufacturing TV's anymore. I've been searching for a 4K TV (for when my current TV
bites the dust)....and come to think of it I have not seen any Panasonic TV's for sale. That's bad news. But the price of
4k HDR TV's keep going down....which is good news.

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I feel like I remember hearing about this a number of months ago. I wouldn't say it's old news but it's not new either.

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@craig did you buy the Marantz 11.2 av7702MK11 when I posted that Outlaw had a private sale going on and it was $1000, when I was asking if it was a good deal, I guess it was if you did indeed buy it from the Outlaws that day, like an idiot I didn't,forgot completely about it till it was too late. I have two of the model 5000s and another stereo amp which would have been perfect for Atmos as I don't have an Atmos capable pre or AVR................

Quick question: I just found out that Panasonic is no longer manufacturing TVs of any kind, is this old or new news....?

Jeffrey
Jeff, accessories4less has this pre/pro at 1K. This site has a pretty good reputation

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Just received my 110's last night, ran through a quick setup with audessy, and I must say that they sound fantastic! I have them running in a 2.1 system and they fill the room with ease. These things are so effortless, just like the 210T's and C in my living room.

On a side note, they are bigger and heavier than I expected. Not sure why I was surprised since I have the 210T's already, but these 110's are built like tanks!


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FattyMcButterPants.....2.1 system with MT110's for a bedroom system, ya gotta love it!

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How much longer before we get a smaller center and or surround speaker from PSA?
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How much longer before we get a smaller center and or surround speaker from PSA?
I know PSA doesn't have to try to be all things to all people, and I love how excellently Tom and Jim have executed on the speakers they have developed.
The whole line makes so much sense:
  • sensitivity > extension
  • operational reliability/simplicity (one color, 1 driver type, 1 tweeter, multiple applications) > loads of colors, finishes
  • performance/substance > style (although I'm fine with their looks)
  • painstaking QC > lower production time

It's all the choices I have wished for a speaker company to make. The enthusiasm in this thread is awesome. I wanna join the club so badly.

But, my kingdom for a 208C with a 9" height.

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I know PSA doesn't have to try to be all things to all people, and I love how excellently Tom and Jim have executed on the speakers they have developed.
The whole line makes so much sense:
  • sensitivity > extension
  • operational reliability/simplicity (one color, 1 driver type, 1 tweeter, multiple applications) > loads of colors, finishes
  • performance/substance > style (although I'm fine with their looks)
  • painstaking QC > lower production time

It's all the choices I have wished for a speaker company to make. The enthusiasm in this thread is awesome. I wanna join the club so badly.

But, my kingdom for a 208C with a 9" height.
I appreciate the simplicity, but I can't consider a center or surround with anything larger than a 6" driver. 5 1/4" preferred.



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I appreciate the simplicity, but I can't consider a center or surround with anything larger than a 6" driver. 5 1/4" preferred.
At that size, there might be significant sensitivity trade-offs, but I'll let he experts confirm or deny.

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At that size, there might be significant sensitivity trade-offs, but I'll let he experts confirm or deny.
I've heard plenty of centers and surrounds at that size sound fantastic. I am sure there's always a trade off.

There's just no way I'd plop dual tens on my entertainment center, or hang a 10" on my wall outside a dedicated HT.



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Tom said smaller speakers were a long way out. I also believe they will not be much smaller then the 110's. It's hard if not impossible to maintain high efficiency with a small driver and enclosure.
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Following on @Hop inator's update, I had some friends over for movie night last night and they were awed by my system. My 15V was responsible for a lot of that awe. Loving this sub but realizing that I probably need two to even out my room's response.
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Following on @Hop inator's update, I had some friends over for movie night last night and they were awed by my system. My 15V was responsible for a lot of that awe. Loving this sub but realizing that I probably need two to even out my room's response.
That would definitely increase the "AWE" factor, you wouldn't get deeper extension but you will get more authoritative output with less strain down below with the added benefit of a much smoother FR with less or no localization additives, go for it. I think the 15V and XV15 ICE is the perfect subs for folks looking for a lot of bass from a smaller footprint sub, I've spoken to Jim about adding one as a NF sub to go with the V1800s.

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Congrats Tom and Jim nice to see PSA in the mix of reviews! Can't wait to own some speakers and subs soon!
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