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Yeah, and I am pretty sure its the horn that is making the noise. It's not a big deal when the speaker is balls out loud its not like the hiss increases so it still sounds great at any type of decent level, but when it is low or the volume is almost off, its annoying in a quiet room. So I wanna get it rectified.
I did a tear down of a MTM 210 when I first bought my speakers early some place in this thread, if you have to replace the CD or if a crimp connection is loose it's not a real big deal, the magnet is very strong though and loosening the bolts from the wave guide is a little tricky but shouldn't be a problem. This is assuming the CD is the culprit, I'm thinking wiring connection, I could be totally wrong but one thing I know for sure it will be rectified and feel free to ask for any advice you might need. Hiss or static can be very annoying when everything else is dead silent........good luck.
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Thumbs up One year anniversary

I'm celebrating one year of ownership of my PSA speakers. The best upgrade ever to my system and I enjoy them every day! Thanks again Tom and Jim!
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I'm celebrating one year of ownership of my PSA speakers. The best upgrade ever to my system and I enjoy them every day! Thanks again Tom and Jim!
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What did you have before the upgrade? Do your Polks keep up in surround sound duty?

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Yeah, and I am pretty sure its the horn that is making the noise. It's not a big deal when the speaker is balls out loud its not like the hiss increases so it still sounds great at any type of decent level, but when it is low or the volume is almost off, its annoying in a quiet room. So I wanna get it rectified.
Any updates with the hissing.............
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Any updates with the hissing.............
Well, I freaking tweaked my back Saturday doing yard work and fixing the fence, so I'm on the struggle bus. Not even going to move the speakers around for a few days. I have had thinning in my L4 for about a decade, and even though its rare, I manage to make it mad every now and then, and it gets mad!

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Did you talk to Tom? I wonder what how guess would be?

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Yeah, he wants me to swap the speakers around as a final hiss test.
Oh ok, that's why you have to wait now because you hurt your back. Ok, all caught up now.

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Yeah, lower back is the worst so I am laying low with heavy lifting for a couple of days.

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Yeah, lower back is the worst so I am laying low with heavy lifting for a couple of days.
Yeah backs are a funny thing. Rest is probably best.

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What did you have before the upgrade? Do your Polks keep up in surround sound duty?
Polk LSiM 703 bookshelves which are very good speakers but don't compare to the PSAs. The Polk surrounds do ok but I want a pair of 110srs.
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I'm celebrating one year of ownership of my PSA speakers. The best upgrade ever to my system and I enjoy them every day! Thanks again Tom and Jim!
Kelly
I wholly agree! It's only been a year and a half since I ditched the Klipsch and purchased my first PSA speakers. I have since added motion actuators, MBMs, and a few more subs, but the speakers are far and away the best upgrade.
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I'm celebrating one year of ownership of my PSA speakers. The best upgrade ever to my system and I enjoy them every day! Thanks again Tom and Jim!
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I'm also curious what you had before? I can think of 4 upgrades off the top of my head that made a more significant/dramatic impact in my HT vs going from my JBLs to PSAs. Don't get me wrong as the PSAs are better, but this speaker upgrade made me appreciate just how good the JBL S38s were from a bang per buck perspective.
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I'm also curious what you had before? I can think of 4 upgrades off the top of my head that made a more significant/dramatic impact in my HT vs going from my JBLs to PSAs. Don't get me wrong as the PSAs are better, but this speaker upgrade made me appreciate just how good the JBL S38s were from a bang per buck perspective.
Polk LSiM 703 bookshelves which are Polk's "top of the line" bookshelves. They are very good for what they are but the 210 PSAs throw a wider sound stage as well as doing a much better job of making me feel that I'm "there" at the original performance.
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Came home today and discovered- one does not carry a 210T into the house.

To get them up the walkway steps, front stairs, etc was an end over end procedure.

I was also amused at the 210C box. Is this a mini-fridge?


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Came home today and discovered- one does not carry a 210T into the house.

To get them up the walkway steps, front stairs, etc was an end over end procedure.

I was also amused at the 210C box. Is this a mini-fridge?


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Haha. It's definitely not a dainty speaker by any means. This is what I was using for a center channel, then I stepped up to a horn loaded system. 😂
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Came home today and discovered- one does not carry a 210T into the house.

To get them up the walkway steps, front stairs, etc was an end over end procedure.

I was also amused at the 210C box. Is this a mini-fridge?
LOL... Yeah they are not a small speaker.

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Came home today and discovered- one does not carry a 210T into the house.

To get them up the walkway steps, front stairs, etc was an end over end procedure.

I was also amused at the 210C box. Is this a mini-fridge?


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One does not approach the moving of a 210T unprepared. I suggest several months of gym workouts followed by a hearty breakfast of Wheaties!
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One does not approach the moving of a 210T unprepared. I suggest several months of gym workouts followed by a hearty breakfast of Wheaties!
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I have a hand truck like that but I couldn't use it to get a 210T up my interior stairs. I did like @powerdubs did with an end over end roll up the stairs. Did the same thing with a V1801 after staring at the thing for a day or so sitting at the bottom of the stairway.
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I'm also curious what you had before? I can think of 4 upgrades off the top of my head that made a more significant/dramatic impact in my HT vs going from my JBLs to PSAs. Don't get me wrong as the PSAs are better, but this speaker upgrade made me appreciate just how good the JBL S38s were from a bang per buck perspective.
Some of the JBL models are incredible values---especially since they are often heavily discounted on sites like amazon. I bet I recommend the 305 series at least once a week for potential customers on a tight budget.

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I did a tear down of a MTM 210 when I first bought my speakers early some place in this thread, if you have to replace the CD or if a crimp connection is loose it's not a real big deal, the magnet is very strong though and loosening the bolts from the wave guide is a little tricky but shouldn't be a problem. This is assuming the CD is the culprit, I'm thinking wiring connection, I could be totally wrong but one thing I know for sure it will be rectified and feel free to ask for any advice you might need. Hiss or static can be very annoying when everything else is dead silent........good luck.
A hiss is a tough one. Never had it before so I don't have any experience to fall back on with our speakers. I'd guess the tweeter. But we bench test every one, then catalog it with measurements. Then, during assembly we measure it AGAIN. Anything like this would have almost certainly been noticed. Then again, we're human. And I supposed something could have got knocked off kilter in shipping too. In any guess, definitely apologize to the OP for the inconvenience and we'll send out a tweeter or a whole new speaker if required, no worries.

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A hiss is a tough one. Never had it before so I don't have any experience to fall back on with our speakers. I'd guess the tweeter. But we bench test every one, then catalog it with measurements. Then, during assembly we measure it AGAIN. Anything like this would have almost certainly been noticed. Then again, we're human. And I supposed something could have got knocked off kilter in shipping too. In any guess, definitely apologize to the OP for the inconvenience and we'll send out a tweeter or a whole new speaker if required, no worries.

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Now that's customer service, very nice. I don't think companies today know just how far great customer service goes.

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A hiss is a tough one. Never had it before so I don't have any experience to fall back on with our speakers. I'd guess the tweeter. But we bench test every one, then catalog it with measurements. Then, during assembly we measure it AGAIN. Anything like this would have almost certainly been noticed. Then again, we're human. And I supposed something could have got knocked off kilter in shipping too. In any guess, definitely apologize to the OP for the inconvenience and we'll send out a tweeter or a whole new speaker if required, no worries.

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I'm thinking the same thing Tom, but like you said I just can't see any reason mechanically for the tweeter to fail. That's the reason I tore the speaker down in the first place was to show potential buyers that there's more to a speaker than what you can see. The meticulous work Jim did (does) with the hand wired and soldered boards and the integrity of the crimp connections along with how secured the XO board is attached to the bottom on the enclosure I just can't imagine any shipping causing faults.

I'm also aware of the scrutiny of testing and logging in of said testing I can't even imagine that lone speaker leaving the facility like that. It's probably an easy fix if it needs fixed at all, and as far as making it right that's the first thing I mentioned to the OP. I'm curious to see what the final resolution will be.

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Noise update:
  • Back is almost gtg, going to move speaker from left side to right tomorrow, and just plug into right speaker cable and see what happens.
  • It is a hum, or buzz, not a hiss, and both 10" drivers and horn make it at the same level.
  • The speaker output is still 75db at 0.0 volume on the preamp, where I set it when I ran YPAO weeks back.
  • I swapped the left RCA on the amp to the center, and the center to the left, still noise on left. Rules out RCA cable or preamp channel I think.
  • I moved both the RCA and speaker cables for the left speaker into several other channels on the amp, still buzz.
  • I messed with both ends of the speaker wire cables, no buzz changes or anything.
  • If I move it over to where the right speaker is, plug it into the right speakers cable, it has to be something internally in the speaker cabinet, before the drivers I guess.


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Noise update:
  • Back is almost gtg, going to move speaker from left side to right tomorrow, and just plug into right speaker cable and see what happens.
  • It is a hum, or buzz, not a hiss, and both 10" drivers and horn make it at the same level.
  • The speaker output is still 75db at 0.0 volume on the preamp, where I set it when I ran YPAO weeks back.
  • I swapped the left RCA on the amp to the center, and the center to the left, still noise on left. Rules out RCA cable or preamp channel I think.
  • I moved both the RCA and speaker cables for the left speaker into several other channels on the amp, still buzz.
  • I messed with both ends of the speaker wire cables, no buzz changes or anything.
  • If I move it over to where the right speaker is, plug it into the right speakers cable, it has to be something internally in the speaker cabinet, before the drivers I guess.


I report tomorrow after the final test.
Sounds like you need a new speaker sent out to you. You have tested things enough it sounds.

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Yeah, I don't think the speaker cable is bad, I mean its a short run of Blue Jeans cable wire and soldered on both ends. But I troubleshoot at work, so I can trouble shoot at home

Not sure what would happen to the system to create a buzz/humm across all drivers? Crossover?

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Yeah, I don't think the speaker cable is bad, I mean its a short run of Blue Jeans cable wire and soldered on both ends. But I troubleshoot at work, so I can trouble shoot at home

Not sure what would happen to the system to create a buzz/humm across all drivers? Crossover?
Don't worry, no doubt Tom will take care of you and make things right. I'm not even a customer yet and I can tell how good a person he is.

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So, moved left speaker over by right speaker, connected to speaker cable, and silent...

Sounds like the only thing I havent checked is bad, and that is the speaker cable itself. Guessing one of the ends has an issue, going to investigate that this week.

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So, moved left speaker over by right speaker, connected to speaker cable, and silent...

Sounds like the only thing I havent checked is bad, and that is the speaker cable itself. Guessing one of the ends has an issue, going to investigate that this week.
Well that would be the best thing anyways. Quick, easy fix rather than boxing up a speaker, sending it back, getting another one and having up set that up. I'll be interested to see if that fixes it.

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