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I'd like to see an efficient point-source/concentric 8 to compete with JBL/HSU/JTR/DIY Sound Group concentric 8s for surround and Atmos duty that would match up with the 10's. There's hundreds of smallish speakers with 6.5" drivers; I don't see a real need to try and compete for that market. IMO.
Tom often mentions the DIY route with the Volt 6s, probably the best value out there if you have minimal skill level to assemble a flat pack and a XO board, I honestly don't believe PSA is trying to compete with anybody and will make a smaller speaker only because customers want it, it will certainly be paired up with the 10" versions in either a surround or Atmos configuration.
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I just hope they don't do what an SVS does that has the prime and Ultra. Smaller speaker fine, less quality I'm not a fan of. One top line and a lesser line doesn't really work for me.

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Guaranteed not to happen, I mentioned once about out sourcing to China and that didn't go over very well in the PSA camp..............................
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Tom often mentions the DIY route with the Volt 6s, probably the best value out there if you have minimal skill level to assemble a flat pack and a XO board, I honestly don't believe PSA is trying to compete with anybody and will make a smaller speaker only because customers want it, it will certainly be paired up with the 10" versions in either a surround or Atmos configuration.


I get the same feeling about them just doing it because we want it. They are so good that way, great guys for sure!

It's funny you mention the volt 6 because that is my plan B. My 210T's having been making a mockery of my surrounds on movie night for far too long, time to get something worthy of playing together with them!




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I am going to ask a serious question here...

Has ANYONE been successful only buying ONE sub from PSA!?

(That is... without buying another one and making it dual or even more?)
Count me out. I failed to resist them. They're like potato chips... you can't stop at just one.
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I have a hard time believing they are gonna release a smaller speaker at all to be honest. Why would they canabolize sales of MT-110s? I don't know if it makes business sense really.

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I saw the mock ups when I visited PSA. Last I knew they are real and they are coming (unless something has changed).

To be honest I think the S7201 took precedence, now that it's done and released maybe the smaller speakers will be next.

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Count me out. I failed to resist them. They're like potato chips... you can't have just one.
I'm out as well - not possible for me. If I'd still live in the US of A I'd already have upgraded to the 01 models and would have made the trip to the PSA HQ.
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I get the same feeling about them just doing it because we want it. They are so good that way, great guys for sure!

It's funny you mention the volt 6 because that is my plan B. My 210T's having been making a mockery of my surrounds on movie night for far too long, time to get something worthy of playing together with them!




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Randy I can attest to your plan B with the Volts, they are one of a few smaller speakers that can keep up with the 10" speakers as good surrounds. I don't know what you're using as surrounds now but hanging with the 210Ts would seem futile...........
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I saw the mock ups when I visited PSA. Last I knew they are real and they are coming (unless something has changed).

To be honest I think the S7201 took precedence, now that it's done and released maybe the smaller speakers will be next.
Ok cool, I'd like to see it.

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I'm out as well - not possible for me. If I'd still live in the US of A I'd already have upgraded to the 01 models and would have made the trip to the PSA HQ.
I've been there twice so far and the second trip was a really rewarding experience, it takes about an hour to get there, unfortunately I couldn't spend as much time as I wanted there cause I didn't drive. I hope to go down again soon and drive myself this time, it's a straight highway drive and you're there in no time. It's just so refreshing to see your product being built right there in house with the high quality standards that PSA stands for. Kudos to PSA and their commitment to excellence with each and every product and exemplary customer support..............
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Until or if they come out with a smaller surround, I'm one of the advocates for the volt 6's.
These suckers definitely keep up with the 110's and blend really nicely.
As most of you know I made mine into my own mini PSA surrounds. It was such a fun project and easy too! @Hetfieldjames may be swinging by this weekend to check out my system and I'm looking forward to his impressions.
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Until or if they come out with a smaller surround, I'm one of the advocates for the volt 6's.
These suckers definitely keep up with the 110's and blend really nicely.
As most of you know I made mine into my own mini PSA surrounds. It was such a fun project and easy too! @Hetfieldjames may be swinging by this weekend to check out my system and I'm looking forward to his impressions.


I saw that picture the other day and wondered what speaker it actually was lol. Nice work on it!

Glad to hear they blend well with the PSA speakers, I want to do these beasts justice! My fiancé is pretty excited about it too, which is cool.


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Until or if they come out with a smaller surround, I'm one of the advocates for the volt 6's.
These suckers definitely keep up with the 110's and blend really nicely.
As most of you know I made mine into my own mini PSA surrounds. It was such a fun project and easy too! @Hetfieldjames may be swinging by this weekend to check out my system and I'm looking forward to his impressions.
How hard are they to build or put together? I don't understand the whole DIY speaker business. Really hard, somewhere hard or very easy?

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I saw that picture the other day and wondered what speaker it actually was lol. Nice work on it!

Glad to hear they blend well with the PSA speakers, I want to do these beasts justice! My fiancé is pretty excited about it too, which is cool.


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Yea they really sound great. Very dynamic when called upon.
I didn't actually build mine. I purchased them from a fellow forum member and sanded them down, duratexed, fashioned up grills and jazzed up with some snazzy PSA logos to complete the look.
They look super easy to build though with the flat pack kits. The crossover shouldn't be that hard either if you have some soldering skills.
I plan on getting two to replace my rear height def techs with and I'll build those myself.
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Well, she said they look great for a dedicated HT room or den... But not in the living room which is my only option currently. Might be waiting a little while on the PSA speakers.

I could always build a basement HT.....
You're in a tough situation coming for Salk speakers which are top notch in the looks department. Would you wife go for MTM210 bookshelfs with some good looking speaker stands?

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Has ANYONE been successful only buying ONE sub from PSA!?

(That is... without buying another one and making it dual or even more?)
LOL how long has it been since you bought yours.....2 weeks??? Just go ahead and get another one two is better than one .

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You're in a tough situation coming for Salk speakers which are top notch in the looks department. Would you wife go for MTM210 bookshelfs with some good looking speaker stands?
I doubt it... I want the towers and may have to wait until I build out a dedicated room.
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You're in a tough situation coming for Salk speakers which are top notch in the looks department. Would you wife go for MTM210 bookshelfs with some good looking speaker stands?
I have had the MTM210 Bookshelves since they were first introduced and have always got a kick out of calling them Bookshelves
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LOL how long has it been since you bought yours.....2 weeks??? Just go ahead and get another one two is better than one .
Hahaha! I hear ya. Because I love a challenge and I like disciplining myself, it was put to me to resist buying another one and this I shall do. Besides, I would definitely need to upgrade my existing speakers if I got another PSA V1500 or V1801 or more because the LFE would then greatly overpower and drown them out.

Another determining factor for me that I just realized by playing a movie at my -14dB listening level one night and going out in my backyard...

I have 3 full windowed sliding doors that face the backyard and A LOT of bass is getting through them even though they are closed shut. I am positive there will be someone who notices this sound with yet another mind-warping sub added to the mix and the last thing I want to do is irritate my neighbors in any way. But it was a fun ride, guys!
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Well, she said they look great for a dedicated HT room or den... But not in the living room which is my only option currently. Might be waiting a little while on the PSA speakers.

I could always build a basement HT.....


What was the problem with the Salk's? Tougher to get much more WAF than that

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Got a question for the PSA guys here. The first time I heard the term "compression driver" was when checking out PSA speakers on their website.
That is different than other regular drivers? Like your run of the mill tweeter is not compression correct? I'm just a little confused on the term and what constitutes a compression driver?

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Got a question for the PSA guys here. The first time I heard the term "compression driver" was when checking out PSA speakers on their website.
That is different than other regular drivers? Like your run of the mill tweeter is not compression correct? I'm just a little confused on the term and what constitutes a compression driver?

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Compression drivers work sort of like dome tweeters but possess high sensitivity and are used with wave guides and horns. That is one reason why the PSA are so efficient and of course with the magic Tom has done has used the benefits of the compression driver while keeping them from being harsh.


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Compression drivers work sort of like dome tweeters but possess high sensitivity and are used with wave guides and horns. That is one reason why the PSA are so efficient and of course with the magic Tom has done has used the benefits of the compression driver while keeping them from being harsh.


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Oh ok so it's an entirely different type of driver. High sensitivity is a good thing of course like you said keeping it from being harsh.

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What was the problem with the Salk's? Tougher to get much more WAF than that
Nothing wrong with them at all, they're outstanding! But, moved into a larger house with a lot more cubic feet to fill and the Salks aren't nearly as efficient.
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Got a question for the PSA guys here. The first time I heard the term "compression driver" was when checking out PSA speakers on their website.
That is different than other regular drivers? Like your run of the mill tweeter is not compression correct? I'm just a little confused on the term and what constitutes a compression driver?

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Here's a good explanation of how a horn loaded compression driver works, I had the first speakers PSA built and did a tear down some where earlier in this thread showing the CD and how it's attached to the horn (wave guide) and the quality of the CD with its strong magnet and heavy construction, very well constructed. Besides the box the drivers add a lot of weight to the speakers themselves. Because of this design the speaker's are capable of high SPL levels with clean effortless sound at any volume settings.

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Nothing wrong with them at all, they're outstanding! But, moved into a larger house with a lot more cubic feet to fill and the Salks aren't nearly as efficient.

You could give Nathan Funk a call. That's what I ended up doing when I sold my Songtowers to try something more efficient. First tried Seaton Catalysts, but didn't check with the wife first and she was not pleased when the black boxes showed up. Then went with Funk, and am pretty pleased. Combined the looks of Salk with the dynamics of the Seatons.

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You could give Nathan Funk a call. That's what I ended up doing when I sold my Songtowers to try something more efficient. First tried Seaton Catalysts, but didn't check with the wife first and she was not pleased when the black boxes showed up. Then went with Funk, and am pretty pleased. Combined the looks of Salk with the dynamics of the Seatons.

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Very cool setup and really nice looking speakers! I'll definitely look him up.
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Very cool setup and really nice looking speakers! I'll definitely look him up.


He's better known in the subwoofer circles. Canadian company. Extremely nice; every time I've ordered from him he puts up with some 30-40 emais. Over the past year I've orders now pretty much an entire Atmos setup from him. Here's his site

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Got a question for the PSA guys here. The first time I heard the term "compression driver" was when checking out PSA speakers on their website.
That is different than other regular drivers? Like your run of the mill tweeter is not compression correct? I'm just a little confused on the term and what constitutes a compression driver?

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Generally, the common tweeter drivers are dome, ribbon, and compression drivers. JBL Pro (M2, 4722n), JTR, Seaton, DIY Audio Group, PSA, etc., generally use compression drivers because they are efficient, can reach high volumes, and the better ones also reproduce accurate sound.

http://www.bmsspeakers.com/index.php...um_compression

https://www.electronichouse.com/how-...er-technology/

They make excellent dome and ribbon tweeters, but really they just can't keep up with a modern compression driver when output and dynamics are at a premium, especially with modern wave guides and DSP to tame them.
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Generally, the common tweeter drivers are dome, ribbon, and compression drivers. JBL Pro (M2, 4722n), JTR, Seaton, DIY Audio Group, PSA, etc., generally use compression drivers because they are efficient, can reach high volumes, and the better ones also reproduce accurate sound.

http://www.bmsspeakers.com/index.php...um_compression

https://www.electronichouse.com/how-...er-technology/

They make excellent dome and ribbon tweeters, but really they just can't keep up with a modern compression driver when output and dynamics are at a premium, especially with modern wave guides and DSP to tame them.
Wow ok thanks, that clears it up. That is exactly what I was asking.

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Another determining factor for me that I just realized by playing a movie at my -14dB listening level one night and going out in my backyard...

I have 3 full windowed sliding doors that face the backyard and A LOT of bass is getting through them even though they are closed shut. I am positive there will be someone who notices this sound with yet another mind-warping sub added to the mix and the last thing I want to do is irritate my neighbors in any way. But it was a fun ride, guys!
Those are definitely good reasons to resist adding a 2nd PSA sub right now. But allow me to add a couple of reasons why it might be good to do.

1. Usually adding a 2nd sub is more about smoothing out the bass at the MLP and other LPs than it is getting more output. Smoothing is the process of getting rid of peaks and valleys in the bass response. If you sit in a valley than the bass will be anemic in that particular frequency range. If you sit in a null than you will get no bass at at those frequencies. Having two subs can get rid of those pesky issues and two similar subs makes it even easier to achieve this.

2. The result of this is often an improvement in the over all sound quality of the bass in your room. I found the bass to be much fuller and more enveloping with two high quality subs.

3. Of course you will also have greater output abilities by adding a 2nd sub, it just may not be your main goal. But because the actual output is controlled with things like trim settings and the volume control (which we can adjust), adding a 2nd sub will not necessarily result in you irritating your neighbors... unless you want it to... which you don't.

4. With greater output there will be an increase of headroom which means neither sub is working as hard to produce the output you desire. This means you probably won't have to worry about the subs approaching their limits during those hard hitting low frequency effects that we all love so much.

5. You don't need to worry about your speakers being over powered because you have control over the trim level of your subs, so unless you are deliberately turning up your trim (running your subs hot and way above the level set by the room calibration software of your AVR) then everything should still be balanced.

Anyway, there are good reasons NOT to add a 2nd sub right now and good reasons TO add a 2nd sub right now.

P.S. This is a good issue to discuss regarding bass and subwoofers so I actually copied this over to the PSA subwoofer thread so more guys can read it and share their thoughts.

Subwoofers: PSA TV36 iPal X2 ...Speakers: PSA MTM-210T L/R - PSA MTM-210C Center- PSA MT110SR's Surrounds - RSL C34E Atmos... Motion Actuators: Crowson Shadow 8 - X2
Video: Samsung UN65KS9000 4K SUHD - Oppo UDP-203... AVR:Denon X4400... Gaming: XBOX ONE S

Guide to Subwoofer Calibration and Bass Preferences

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