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I would take a quick REW sweep of the CC as well and see if you experience a dip around 70Hz being close to the floor, really not that important since you crossover above 70Hz. You may be able to improve dialog as well with the door stoppers.

I don’t think I’ve ran REW again since I added the V1801’s (trying to avoid the rabbit hole). I finally found my audio happy place the last 6 months and just enjoyed the system. Then I had to shake it all up with the recent additions, but they are definitely changes for the better in the home theater and music department...basically the only two reasons we have these systems.

So far I’m loving the soulful weight and piercing clarity of the 210T’s with an 80Hz crossover (ran 90-100Hz with the 110’s), but I still haven’t had much time to crank these bad boys up and unleash the “power” in Power Sound Audio...hopefully soon.

For brevity, I didn’t even incorporate the MBM’s with this latest calibration (may 86 them all together). I’d like to run the Crowson’s on a line untouched by Audyssey now that I have an extra LFE out freed up; thinking about taking the MiniDSP out of the signal chain while I’m simplifying things to see how I like it.

I work a lot of overtime in the last quarter of the year, and have another baby due any day now, so I’m not sure how much time I’ll have to even calibrate the system further.

I still have to mount the PJ, mess with the CC height (swinging by home depot on my way home this morning for door stops) and move the MLP back a bit if I remove the MBMs behind the couch, so some audio wizardry is definitely in order, trying to keep it somewhat minimal this go around.

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Still love my pair of serial # 1 & 2 210T's.
YEP!!!!! Like you, I'm still loving my 210T's as much now as I did the first day I played them.

You got the first pair and I got the fourth pair... I have Serial # 7 & 8 of the 210T's. And they still astound me every time I listen to them.

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^^ Congrats on the 210T’s @Sekosche ! They are awesome speakers, I’ve enjoyed the heck out of mine since the day they showed up. I listen to them everyday, and it just never gets old. I’m sure you’ll feel the same way.




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I agree. They are fantastic in both home theater and "critical" stereo listening. More "like you are there" than anything else I've heard. All my system really "lacks" at this point is some PSA 110SRs for surround duty. I need to scrape up the cash for those after the holidays.

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I agree. They are fantastic in both home theater and "critical" stereo listening. More "like you are there" than anything else I've heard. All my system really "lacks" at this point is some PSA 110SRs for surround duty. I need to scrape up the cash for those after the holidays.


I was skeptical throwing that much money on surrounds. But boy I am glad I did. The front 210s blend so well with these surrounds and the PSA V1801s that they sound like one big speaker. It’s worth it.


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Just measured mine for ya - 22" across without grilles, and 23.75" with them on (rounded up to 24" on PSA's site, but I may have sneezed while measuring)


Much appreciated. I think that S3000i will fit perfectly in both spaces that I’ve got available
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Much too quiet up in here. I guess everybody is busy enjoying their PSA gear! Happy Friday evening listening/viewing!

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Much too quiet up in here. I guess everybody is busy enjoying their PSA gear! Happy Friday evening listening/viewing!


I know I am, still haven’t written much on the latest acquisition but busy busy enjoying it! I figured most people are in a turkey and shopping coma until a few days before Christmas.
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I'm trying to save my money while going to the PSA site once a day and drooling. MTM 210c and MTM20T should hopefully be in my house by March. Cant wait! I went from 5 mt 110s to the 210s.....this site is no good hahaha
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I'm trying to save my money while going to the PSA site once a day and drooling. MTM 210c and MTM20T should hopefully be in my house by March. Cant wait! I went from 5 mt 110s to the 210s.....this site is no good hahaha
I know what you mean. I had the 110's (which I loved) and then saw the 210T's and could not take my eyes off them. So I did the only thing that made sense... I bought them. I love my PSA speakers. Worth every penny and IMO worth a lot more.
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I know I am, still haven’t written much on the latest acquisition but busy busy enjoying it! I figured most people are in a turkey and shopping coma until a few days before Christmas.
Yeah.... you're slacking. Write a review on those new speakers. I love reading other people's impressions when they hear the 210T's.

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Yeah.... you're slacking. Write a review on those new speakers. I love reading other people's impressions when they hear the 210T's.
What he said give us a video too!!! no one has any videos of these speakers in action except Z reviews and he only had a pair of 110s. I'm assuming people are too busy enjoying them, which I cant blame them for.

I have plans to do unboxing videos and a bunch of demo videos. I'm sure I'm gonna love them and Id be happy to hype up PSA to get the word out even more. Plus I'm weird. I love unboxing and demo videos.
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YEP!!!!! Like you, I'm still loving my 210T's as much now as I did the first day I played them.

You got the first pair and I got the fourth pair... I have Serial # 7 & 8 of the 210T's. And they still astound me every time I listen to them.

I'm thinking I'm liking my 210t's more now than ever (late models #'s 13 & 14).

Never been a huge Zeppelin fan, but the stuff thats been remastered has been done very/very well.

The way it was explained to me "the original pressings were pressed for the equipment of that time, the remastered stuff is for modern equipment"

I & III have a lot more punch that the 210T's really show off

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I'm thinking I'm liking my 210t's more now than ever (late models #'s 13 & 14).

Never been a huge Zeppelin fan, but the stuff thats been remastered has been done very/very well.

The way it was explained to me "the original pressings were pressed for the equipment of that time, the remastered stuff is for modern equipment"

I & III have a lot more punch that the 210T's really show off
Yeah, the 210T's really have a great chest slam to them when played at the right volume. They make their presence known. I really love that about them.
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My investment in PSA speakers and subs paid off tonight while watching Spectre on BR. The DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 track is not a bass fest but it is well balanced audio. In several scenes the surrounds came alive with back and forth panning. The subs were very active when called upon. Both my better half and I enjoyed the movie. A good watch for both the movie and the audio.
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My investment in PSA speakers and subs paid off tonight while watching Spectre on BR. The DTS-HD Master Audio 7.1 track is not a bass fest but it is well balanced audio.

We binged three movies yesterday that the wife hadn’t seen: Life, Arrival, and The Revenant, and they all have excellent audio and video. After the latest calibration with the addition of the 210T, this is the purest my audio has ever been, and it’s incredible! The wife even commented how good it sounds...which is rare for her to notice.

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So i have a 210C. Looking to replace my current left/right speakers (Audioengine HD6) with PSA. My question is if the 210T is a worthwhile upgrade over the 210. Increased price is not a biggie if the improvement is solid.
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So i have a 210C. Looking to replace my current left/right speakers (Audioengine HD6) with PSA. My question is if the 210T is a worthwhile upgrade over the 210. Increased price is not a biggie if the improvement is solid.


They have slight more mid bass not much to notice. Most buy it for the tower look and keeps from having to use stands. Everything else is identical between the two.


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I was skeptical throwing that much money on surrounds. But boy I am glad I did. The front 210s blend so well with these surrounds and the PSA V1801s that they sound like one big speaker. It’s worth it.
It is frustrating how often I read on the speaker boards that "surrounds don't matter, it is just ambient noise" when people are giving set up advice and speaker purchase advice. Total BS, IMO, especially in an Atmos set up. Some of the Atmos tracks are phenomenal now.

Yours is a refreshing post and I am glad you are enjoying your capable surrounds.
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It is frustrating how often I read on the speaker boards that "surrounds don't matter, it is just ambient noise" when people are giving set up advice and speaker purchase advice. Total BS, IMO, especially in an Atmos set up. Some of the Atmos tracks are phenomenal now.



Yours is a refreshing post and I am glad you are enjoying your capable surrounds.


I used to be one that thought I could get away lesser surrounds and I tried the SVS prime elevations which are very good in my opinion but it was just too much too ask them to keep with the PSA MTM 210s. When I did switch to the 110sr, the sound was just at another level of clarity and blending. I found myself looking around a lot more since then . Plus the blending with subs and speakers together is something to experience. I have both my 1801s within 3 to 5 feet of MLP but cannot tell where the bass is coming from.


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Plus the blending with subs and speakers together is something to experience. I have both my 1801s with 3 to 5 feet of MLP but cannot tell where the bass is coming from.
I am in the middle of a long drawn out build for a soundproof, dedicated basement, with a PJ and AT screen. I have been looking mostly at JTR and JBL Pro options for the L/C/R, but the PSA speakers are on my radar. The one concern I have with them is they seem to fall off a cliff at 80Hz based on specs/measurements I have seen on here. I would usually want a little more room/overlap at the crossover point (I'd usually look for an octave for the +-3dB point).

Have you measured your set up at all now that its up and running? Any issue with blending the subs and mains at the crossover point?

I'd like to minimize the bumps at the crossover transition with whatever speakers I end up with.
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I am in the middle of a long drawn out build for a soundproof, dedicated basement, with a PJ and AT screen. I have been looking mostly at JTR and JBL Pro options for the L/C/R, but the PSA speakers are on my radar. The one concern I have with them is they seem to fall off a cliff at 80Hz based on specs/measurements I have seen on here. I would usually want a little more room/overlap at the crossover point (I'd usually look for an octave for the +-3dB point).



Have you measured your set up at all now that its up and running? Any issue with blending the subs and mains at the crossover point?



I'd like to minimize the bumps at the crossover transition with whatever speakers I end up with.


Here is my average response at MLP with subs and speakers. I have the subs asymmetrical in front of room. There are no treatments in the room. While I can get a smoother response by facing the subs to each other it does not sound as good. The set up sounds really good. This is after Audyssey.




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Sweet, thanks for posting!

Are you crossing over at 80Hz?

Have you tried higher?

I played around with crossovers as high as 150Hz in my basement before I tore it apart. I settled in at 90 to get the best transition in my room.
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Sweet, thanks for posting!



Are you crossing over at 80Hz?



Have you tried higher?



I played around with crossovers as high as 150Hz in my basement before I tore it apart. I settled in at 90 to get the best transition in my room.


That FR was run with crossover at 80hz but have been running at 100hz for last few weeks and I think I like the 100hz better.


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I wish I was still in Texas so I could invite myself over to hear your set up. I bet its phenomenal.
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I wish I was still in Texas so I could invite myself over to hear your set up. I bet its phenomenal.

It is really very good. I have never listened this loud. The speakers are never fatigue ear or cause any kind of discomfort. I think going with the PSA subs and speakers made a difference. They just seem to work very well together.



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Putting out a feeler, I'm thinking of selling 2, possibly all 3 of my MT-110's. So if anyone is wanting to save a few bucks going the used route, hit me up. They are flawless and play perfectly and I still have all the packing materials.

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I was just going to make my own CC wedge, but a rubber door stop does sound cheap and easy. It does overhang the edge just enough to where there are no reflections.

Did I mention how much more robust and clean the system sounds with a pair of 210T? I haven’t had much time for critical listening, but the few movies and songs I’ve played are simply a revelation. I’d have to disagree with those that said the 210’s are the 110’s with more midbass. Though they share the same components, to my ear, the 210T are substantially better in every way. What is this audio magic?

It’s not exactly an A to B comparison from my previous setup, because I am now “only” running dual V1801 for bass reinforcement.

I’ve always had the front speaker tweeters aligned in height and depth; this is the first time I’ve dropped down the center channel to fit a screen and moved the L/R back a little for more clearance from foot traffic. I must say, with the CC a foot below the mains, the voices do appear to be coming from underneath the screen, and it is a bit distracting, so hopefully angling it upwards to ear level will help.

As posted from some post after you put this one, it will help a lot, I am a firm believer for the center be properly angle to your main.


Here's some generic and easy instruction to follow;



-First, go get yourself a cheap laser pointer, a flat one if possible.
-Then put-it on top of one of your main (does not matter which one, since they are both the same height).
-Point at your listening area.
-Put a piece of tape to mark the position.
-measure with a ruler the distance from the top of the speaker to the center of the tweeter.
-Go back to your piece of tape at your listening area and subtract that distance going down.
-Put a new piece of tape and remove the first one.
-Now do the same for the center speaker with a little difference.
-First measure the distance from the top of the center speaker to the center of the tweeter.
-Go back to your main listening area.
-Remember piece of tape #2
-now take the distance from the top of your center to the center of tweeter and go up from the piece of tape #2 to that distance.
-put piece of tape #3 , and piece of tape #2 can be remove if you like, since it was the distance of your main tweeter.
-put the laser pointer on top of your center
-adjust angle until the light hit that piece of tape (#3 ).
Now you're done, all tweeters should hit the main listening position at the same height(for the main listening position)."
Also, Makesure your center speaker is sticking out of the cabinet by about an inch.
Sound reflection from the edge of a cabinet can play havoc on your sound.


I suggest if you decide to follow those instructions, is to copy, paste and print.
Easier to follow on paper than by memory.


Good Luck and post back your observation.


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Putting out a feeler, I'm thinking of selling 2, possibly all 3 of my MT-110's. So if anyone is wanting to save a few bucks going the used route, hit me up. They are flawless and play perfectly and I still have all the packing materials.
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