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I would say just try and move your subs to where your speakers are and speakers to where the subs are and the run Audyssey again.
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Corner boundaries are generally good for subs but bad for main speakers.

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I agree with these two statements. I have my speakers at least three feet from the corners and they are about 8 feet apart.[/

Probably try to change my current set-up too..
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I agree with these two statements. I have my speakers at least three feet from the corners and they are about 8 feet apart.[/

Probably try to change my current set-up too..
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I have thoroughly enjoyed auditioning the 210t’s. I have run them by themselves along with a sub since I got them in even though I have a center and surrounds. Last night I asked my wife her thoughts on them and she suggested putting my bookshelves back in and see if I could tell a difference. I told her that if I did I would evaluate them the same as the towers which is just in stereo. Her response, Wait...what... there is only two playing? Nevermind putting the old ones back in. We watched Sing(yes I have small kids) last night and the end of the movie where the animals perform sounded amazing.
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I have thoroughly enjoyed auditioning the 210t’s. I have run them by themselves along with a sub since I got them in even though I have a center and surrounds. Last night I asked my wife her thoughts on them and she suggested putting my bookshelves back in and see if I could tell a difference. I told her that if I did I would evaluate them the same as the towers which is just in stereo. Her response, Wait...what... there is only two playing? Nevermind putting the old ones back in. We watched Sing(yes I have small kids) last night and the end of the movie where the animals perform sounded amazing.
while i still want a center channel and surrounds eventually, i'm blown away by how well they create a phantom center.
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Mounts for MT-110SR

I've got a front stage that consists of MTM-210T/C. I just placed an order for 2 MT-110SR to round out the 5 channels. I need to mount these speakers behind my sectional couch. The couch is backed up next to the rear wall and I can't bring it out. I know the speakers take a VESA 200 mount. I asked Tom if the speakers come with any mounting screws. He said they do. So now I need some mounts. These are the mounts I was thinking about:

Titan Series Dual Pivot Single Arm Swivel Wall Mount for Small 20~42in TVs 80 lbs, Black
Titan Series Swivel Wall Mount for Small 20~42 inch TVs up to 80 lbs, Black
Stable Series Large Full Motion Wall Mount for Medium Displays Max 44 lbs UL Certified

Do any of you guys have any experience with these? I'm thinking that having a dual arm mount is better so that I can angle the speaker more and get it slightly out from the wall. Thanks all!
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I've got a front stage that consists of MTM-210T/C. I just placed an order for 2 MT-110SR to round out the 5 channels. I need to mount these speakers behind my sectional couch. The couch is backed up next to the rear wall and I can't bring it out. I know the speakers take a VESA 200 mount. I asked Tom if the speakers come with any mounting screws. He said they do. So now I need some mounts. These are the mounts I was thinking about:

Titan Series Dual Pivot Single Arm Swivel Wall Mount for Small 20~42in TVs 80 lbs, Black
Titan Series Swivel Wall Mount for Small 20~42 inch TVs up to 80 lbs, Black
Stable Series Large Full Motion Wall Mount for Medium Displays Max 44 lbs UL Certified

Do any of you guys have any experience with these? I'm thinking that having a dual arm mount is better so that I can angle the speaker more and get it slightly out from the wall. Thanks all!


Monoprice has some as well. Check them out. I am just using them on Hercules hooks that has them flush to the wall.


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Monoprice has some as well. Check them out. I am just using them on Hercules hooks that has them flush to the wall.


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Imureh, the mounts I listed are all from Monoprice. I'm thinking the 6516 mount because it has a way to hide the cable. I'm hoping it won't bend. Does anyone have a mount that doesn't bend? Thanks!

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Do any of you guys have any experience with these? I'm thinking that having a dual arm mount is better so that I can angle the speaker more and get it slightly out from the wall. Thanks all!

Those should work great! I’d recommend the one that supports the most weight as the articulation joint will hopefully be the sturdiest and prevent sag or play once tightened down. I’m using a similar monoprice mount to get them out from the wall a little but had to use an adapter to extend from 100x100 VESA to 200x200 and there is a little bend and sag, couldn’t find any with a full 200 VESA pattern at the time on the mounts that go into a single wall stud.


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Those should work great! I’d recommend the one that supports the most weight as the articulation joint will hopefully be the sturdiest and prevent sag or play once tightened down. I’m using a similar monoprice mount to get them out from the wall a little but had to use an adapter to extend from 100x100 VESA to 200x200 and there is a little bend and sag, couldn’t find any with a full 200 VESA pattern at the time on the mounts that go into a single wall stud.
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Your picture is one of the only ones I could find on the thread about mounting these to the wall. I'm really glad that you responded! The Monoprice mounts I listed are all 200mm VESA, so hopefully they should work. I'm going to go for the longer arm with the joint for better placement options. Question about your positioning. Did you try and point the wave guide at your ear or did you use another method for placement on the wall? Thanks again!

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Your picture is one of the only ones I could find on the thread about mounting these to the wall. I'm really glad that you responded! The Monoprice mounts I listed are all 200mm VESA, so hopefully they should work. I'm going to go for the longer arm with the joint for better placement options. Question about your positioning. Did you try and point the wave guide at your ear or did you use another method for placement on the wall? Thanks again!

Depending on which guide you read, some aim the surround channels a little in front of the MLP, some right at the ears, and some behind; I think all three work well as long as they’re not pointed too far behind since directional hearing for object placement in a sound field is poorest from behind. Aim for the head, and that’s a start.

I wish I had a dedicated room with walls on both sides to use the simple keyhole mounts that are included, because that’d make them considerably easier to mount. It wasn’t easy mounting mine solo, so I’d suggest a second hand to help hold the speaker up when it comes to that step.

Any of the three links you provided should work well, because the 200mm VESA back plate is one solid piece on them and should resist bending better than my thin 100mm to 200mm VESA adapter I’m using.

You’re going to love the PSA surrounds! Good luck and enjoy many years of awesome audio.

Note how thin the brackets are that secure each screw to the main part of the speaker (flexes and bends).

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Depending on which guide you read, some aim the surround channels a little in front of the MLP, some right at the ears, and some behind; I think all three work well as long as they’re not pointed too far behind since directional hearing for object placement in a sound field is poorest from behind. Aim for the head, and that’s a start.

I wish I had a dedicated room with walls on both sides to use the simple keyhole mounts that are included, because that’d make them considerably easier to mount. It wasn’t easy mounting mine solo, so I’d suggest a second hand to help hold the speaker up when it comes to that step.

Any of the three links you provided should work well, because the 200mm VESA back plate is one solid piece on them and should resist bending better than my thin 100mm to 200mm VESA adapter I’m using.

You’re going to love the PSA surrounds! Good luck and enjoy many years of awesome audio.

Note how thin the brackets are that secure each screw to the main part of the speaker (flexes and bends).
The brackets I purchased look to have a way to separate the arm from the VESA mount. You hang the arm then easily sit the mount on the arm and fasten with a screw. I'll let you know how it turns out.

I haven't had a chance to give my impressions of the 210T/C combo. To summarize briefly, they are _VERY_ directional. They do not hurt my ears at all at high volumes. As a matter of fact, it's easy to get very loud and not know it. I'm a little concerned that after Audessey, I've had to increase the center channel level so I can actually understand dialogue. I've also got a stand from GWhiz and it's great! The stand has a tilt to it to bring the waveguide up about 5 degrees. Even still, I've had to increase the center channel level. I would have thought that issue was more due to my old LCR not being matched. Guess it's just how the audio is mixed, unless someone can tell me I should be doing more than just Audessey. Still happy with my purchase, but others should keep in mind the directionality of the speakers.

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Ok my system consists of denon x3300 and mtm 210's l/r/c and 110s surrounds finally got them dialed for best imaging. OK here is my question and I can't seem to shake it. I want an outlaw 5000 amp. Honestly will it be a 650 improvement than what I already have? Thanks

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Ok my system consists of denon x3300 and mtm 210's l/r/c and 110s surrounds finally got them dialed for best imaging. OK here is my question and I can't seem to shake it. I want an outlaw 5000 amp. Honestly will it be a 650 improvement than what I already have? Thanks

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There are some guys with PSA speakers and power amps that say they think the amps make a difference. But I know of more guys who have sold their power amps because the PSA speakers are so incredibly efficient that they really felt they were no longer needed. So to answer your question I doubt that even if the amp did make a difference (which I doubt it will) it wouldn't be $650 worth.
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Ok my system consists of denon x3300 and mtm 210's l/r/c and 110s surrounds finally got them dialed for best imaging. OK here is my question and I can't seem to shake it. I want an outlaw 5000 amp. Honestly will it be a 650 improvement than what I already have? Thanks

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Hi there! I'm sure many will chime in and say that because the PSA'S are so efficient there really is no need for an external amp.
I have a Denon x6200w, Mt-110's for l/c/r and all volt 6 surrounds and atmos.
I am using an Outlaw 5000 to power the PSA'S and a pair of volt surrounds.
The only speakers the Denon is powering are the 4 volt atmos.
I got the amp mainly to take the stress of running nine speakers off the receiver, but it's definitely nice knowing a good solid amplifier is powering my bed layer of speakers.
It's really a nice amp. Do you need it? Probably not. Do you want it?
Probably yes
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Then I guess it's set. Lol if I find a used one less than 400 I'll buy it and if I'm paying full price for outlaw 5000 I'll just be happy with what I got. Seriously though my denon pushes them so loud, watching IT the other night I was literally blown away.

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Hi there! I'm sure many will chime in and say that because the PSA'S are so efficient there really is no need for an external amp.
I have a Denon x6200w, Mt-110's for l/c/r and all volt 6 surrounds and atmos.
I am using an Outlaw 5000 to power the PSA'S and a pair of volt surrounds.
The only speakers the Denon is powering are the 4 volt atmos.
I got the amp mainly to take the stress of running nine speakers off the receiver, but it's definitely nice knowing a good solid amplifier is powering my bed layer of speakers.
It's really a nice amp. Do you need it? Probably not. Do you want it?
Probably yes
100% agree. i have my l/r powered with a clean 350 watts/side @ 8ohms, and even while cranked to ear-bleed volumes the amp is probably being taxed @ 20-30% (if that). it's nice to know that both the speakers & amp have so much more to give even though my ears have tapped out by then. i also task my receiver with powering my surrounds, so i prefer to take most of the load off of it.
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I know for a fact that my 210ts sounded great with 150 watts per side as I had to use a spare Emotiva XPA-200 amp when one of my monoblocks had to go to Emo for service. Do I believe they sound better (absolutely fantastic!) with my new Emo XPA-DR2 powering them at 550 watts per channel? They really do. Dynamics for the win. Lots of good clean power in reserve never hurts.
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I have an Emotiva amp on mine as well. Why? IDK? I had it might as well use it. Never tried an AB comparison. I just figured lots of power on efficient speakers cannot be a bad thing. Its like my car, it's crazy fast but still gets good gas mileage. You can have both!
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I have an Emotiva amp on mine as well. Why? IDK? I had it might as well use it. Never tried an AB comparison. I just figured lots of power on efficient speakers cannot be a bad thing. Its like my car, it's crazy fast but still gets good gas mileage. You can have both!
Your point about true A/B comparison is very valid. With detailed audio memory being good for no more than a few seconds without doing blind A/B testing you really never know for sure. That's why such testing is done to begin with. In this hobby we often hear what we want to hear. I remember someone saying that very thing a year ago regarding his amps. He said he spent good money on the amps so he knows he wants it to sound better... so it does. But he doesn't know if it's because he wants them to sound better or if they really do sound better because he never did A/B testing to verify.

And really in the end that's all that matters.... whether it's placebo or reality it really doesn't matter, all that matters in the end is that it sounds better to you.
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Here is my opinion on amps and speakers.

When I had RTI-A7 they were lacking being powered with a Yamaha AVR. So I used a Adcom GFA 555-II(which is every bit as capable as Emotiva if not more) to drive the A7's and it made a significant difference in clean output capability. I did not notice any difference in sound signature, but the dynamics were better at higher playback levels. This speaker needs more power then most AVR's can deliver.

Now when I upgraded to the 210T's, I tried them both ways... powering them with the Adcom and then my Yamaha. I found there to be very little advantage to using the Adcom on these speakers, so I pulled it. It did net a slight increase of clean headroom, but the 210's have so much clean output capability in my 20x15x 8 room with simple AVR power, that there was no point to continue using the Adcom. They play reference level with headroom to spare and imo that is more then enough. So no I don't believe that a external power amp nets much advantage with PSA speakers, but they can for sure make a big difference on inefficient power hungry speakers. jm2c!!
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Here is my opinion on amps and speakers.

When I had RTI-A7 they were lacking being powered with a Yamaha AVR. So I used a Adcom GFA 555-II(which is every bit as capable as Emotiva if not more) to drive the A7's and it made a significant difference in clean output capability. I did not notice any difference in sound signature, but the dynamics were better at higher playback levels. This speaker needs more power then most AVR's can deliver.

Now when I upgraded to the 210T's, I tried them both ways... powering them with the Adcom and then my Yamaha. I found there to be very little advantage to using the Adcom on these speakers, so I pulled it. It did net a slight increase of clean headroom, but the 210's have so much clean output capability in my 20x15x 8 room with simple AVR power, that there was no point to continue using the Adcom. They play reference level with headroom to spare and imo that is more then enough. So no I don't believe that a external power amp nets much advantage with PSA speakers, but they can for sure make a big difference on inefficient power hungry speakers. jm2c!!
That's good to hear and was part of why I ended up going with the PSA speakers. Being able to get by with a lesser powered AVR and a highly efficient speaker made sense to me.
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I bought my amp back when I had different speakers that I thought needed the extra power. So I already had it when I bought the PSAs. I just left in in place because selling stuff on ebay is a pain. Whether it makes a difference or not doesnt matter much to me since like I said, I already had it.
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unless it's a subaru wrx sti. one of the only 4 cylinder cars on the road to still rock hard in the low teens for fuel economy lol.
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unless it's a subaru wrx sti. one of the only 4 cylinder cars on the road to still rock hard in the low teens for fuel economy lol.
Somebody say Subaru?
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god that is one sexy car. it's like we're moving backwards in terms of looks with these newer models (i'm looking at you civic type r). i guess the current wrx/sti aren't that bad (well, they do look like a corolla from the side), but they've just gotten so large! i miss small cars from the 90s.
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god that is one sexy car. it's like we're moving backwards in terms of looks with these newer models (i'm looking at you civic type r). i guess the current wrx/sti aren't that bad (well, they do look like a corolla from the side), but they've just gotten so large! i miss small cars from the 90s.
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Ok my system consists of denon x3300 and mtm 210's l/r/c and 110s surrounds finally got them dialed for best imaging. OK here is my question and I can't seem to shake it. I want an outlaw 5000 amp. Honestly will it be a 650 improvement than what I already have? Thanks

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Your PSA's are very efficient (98db) imho id spend that money toward a new sub. If your speakers were say Martin Logan esl's id say buy a power amp.

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