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Have a question for you Atmos guys...

Very soon I plan to replace most of my aging surround speakers with MT110SRs. I currently have a "traditional" 9.1 setup and plan on staying there for at least another year. I want to replace my side surround and front height speakers with the SRs. The heights will be mounted high on the front wall, a bit wider spaced than the mains. The surrounds will be mounted high on the side walls, pointed towards the MLP. For now I will be keeping my current rear surrounds as there is no way for me to mount something as large as the SR back there (I may just eliminate the bipole rears at this point, not sure yet).

My question is; will this be an acceptable 5.1.4 configuration when I (finally) go Atmos? Should I consider upgrading to something besides the SRs that would be more "Atmos compatible"??

My front stage is all PSA; 2x 210 + 210C.
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My question is; will this be an acceptable 5.1.4 configuration when I (finally) go Atmos? Should I consider upgrading to something besides the SRs that would be more "Atmos compatible"??



My front stage is all PSA; 2x 210 + 210C.

I’d worry more about how high you’re placing them than where in the room at this time, because once you do go for an Atmos setup, you’ll want all the ground speakers around ear level for the best separation between the heights/Atmos and the base layer for the full “bubble of sound effect” to really immerse you in 3D audio. Most people do seem to eliminate their back rears or front wide/height speakers when going to 5.1.4
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I’d worry more about how high you’re placing them than where in the room at this time, because once you do go for an Atmos setup, you’ll want all the ground speakers around ear level for the best separation between the heights/Atmos and the base layer for the full “bubble of sound effect” to really immerse you in 3D audio. Most people do seem to eliminate their back rears or front wide/height speakers when going to 5.1.4
Has there been talk of an in-ceiling PSA speaker? My goal is to save up and purchase an entire PSA speaker/subwoofer system. Mounting something like the MT110SRs for Atmos ceiling speakers might not be a viable option, but I could be convinced otherwise.
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Has there been talk of an in-ceiling PSA speaker? My goal is to save up and purchase an entire PSA speaker/subwoofer system. Mounting something like the MT110SRs for Atmos ceiling speakers might not be a viable option, but I could be convinced otherwise.

Nothing in the works last I saw a while back, Tom has previously mentioned that the slight cost savings of a smaller range of speakers likely wouldn’t be a smart business decision for PSA.

Depending on your room, I’ve seen people hang some huge overhead speakers in their theater. I think it’s a little overkill for that purpose, but then again there’s no such thing as overkill on AVS. DIY is generally the way to go if you’re looking for a quality Atmos setup that can keep up with PSA speakers. However, the 200mm brackets or keyholes on the 110SR would lend themselves well to a ceiling mount should you be so bold.
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Nothing in the works last I saw a while back, Tom has previously mentioned that the slight cost savings of a smaller range of speakers likely wouldn’t be a smart business decision for PSA.

Depending on your room, I’ve seen people hang some huge overhead speakers in their theater. I think it’s a little overkill for that purpose, but then again there’s no such thing as overkill on AVS. DIY is generally the way to go if you’re looking for a quality Atmos setup that can keep up with PSA speakers. However, the 200mm brackets or keyholes on the 110SR would lend themselves well to a ceiling mount should you be so bold.
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Now that's impressive! 4 MT110SRs in the ceiling doesn't seem too outrageous after seeing that.
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@Alan P How much room do you have behind the MLP............I remember seeing your room but it would be really helpful if you could post it again and dimensions. The 110SRs will be fine for bed layer surrounds not placed high above ear level with Atmos applications.
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Has there been talk of an in-ceiling PSA speaker? My goal is to save up and purchase an entire PSA speaker/subwoofer system. Mounting something like the MT110SRs for Atmos ceiling speakers might not be a viable option, but I could be convinced otherwise.


The JBL in ceiling speakers with the compression drivers work well (this is what I use). I believe Tom has also recommended them as a good match in the past. They’re not cheap however.


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The JBL in ceiling speakers with the compression drivers work well (this is what I use). I believe Tom has also recommended them as a good match in the past. They’re not cheap however.


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The entry level JBL seem like a pretty good deal for a ready made speaker, even the Volt 6 DIYSG are around $150 each and obviously require full assembly but the components are considerably better. The 6.5” JBL Control 26CT are about $300 a pair so not bad at all really, and all four for less than one high end speaker sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Is this the model you use or do you have the Studio 2 or Arena series in ceiling? The JBL Studios do double in price from the Control line of speakers. I can’t find any specifics for a CD on them on Crutchfield.
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Good memory!

The entry level JBL seem like a pretty good deal for a ready made speaker, even the Volt 6 DIYSG are around $150 each and obviously require full assembly but the components are considerably better. The 6.5” JBL Control 26CT are about $300 a pair so not bad at all really, and all four for less than one high end speaker sounds pretty reasonable to me.

Is this the model you use or do you have the Studio 2 or Arena series in ceiling? The JBL Studios do double in price from the Control line of speakers. I can’t find any specifics for a CD on them on Crutchfield.


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I own the JBL control 328C 8” coaxial ceiling loudspeaker with HF compression driver (x4). I wanted the 8” to ensure it could comfortably go down to 80hz, where thunder, jet engines, etc reside. It works great with the PSA 210T’s.


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Those JBL 328c looks awesome, but the crossover board is too big sticking out the back at 6”. They are just too deep for me since I’m trying to get side in walls to match my ceiling Atmos at 4” depth. My room is just too narrow for the 3 seats across, I don’t want on walls in the walkway or sticking out. I was looking at the Kef ci200qr as about as deep as I can go. Anybody heard these?


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The RSL C34E gets lots of praise in the Atmos thread. Might be worth checking out.

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The RSL C34E gets lots of praise in the Atmos thread. Might be worth checking out.
I'm using the RSL C34E atmosphere speakers with my PSA speaker set up and they work great, I have no complaints. I do turn the trim up on the speakers a couple of dB's but that's all I've done and they blend really well.
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I'm using the RSL C34E atmosphere speakers with my PSA speaker set up and they work great, I have no complaints. I do turn the trim up on the speakers a couple of dB's but that's all I've done and they blend really well.
Very nice. I'm looking at getting the same ones for my JTR setup and was wondering how the higher sensitivity speakers would blend with the RSL's? Sounds like you aren't having any issues with timbre matching, brand, sensitivity or any of the other handwringing you read so much about.

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Very nice. I'm looking at getting the same ones for my JTR setup and was wondering how the higher sensitivity speakers would blend with the RSL's? Sounds like you aren't having any issues with timbre matching, brand, sensitivity or any of the other handwringing you read so much about.
It's one of those 'preferred but not required' situation. Considering the sound that comes out of the ATMOS speakers, it is understandable to skimp on them. I am sure users of HE speakers would be all over $200~$500 coaxial options from the same ID company but I just don't see that happening any time soon.

There are of course offerings from DIYsoundgroup... however, technically they are not in ceiling speakers.
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Finally bought some Volt 10’s to replace my little SVS Atmos satellites to better keep up with the PSA’s. The V10’s are still 40% lighter than the MT110-SR, so hopefully that’ll help a little when it comes to mounting them 12’ off the ground. The V10 may be overkill for Atmos but why not; I’d like all my drivers to match.

The one thing I noticed after installing the SVS a couple years ago was a little loss in detail and clarity and the perception of a slightly lower overall volume from the base 5 speaker PSA setup. It was still a nice upgrade, and one I didn’t want to redo since my mounting options were limited, but they’re the one weak link in my system.

I’m not sure if it’s a product of the upmixing to the height speakers or if I’m asking way too much from the front heights being 17’ away when pushed to reference with a Denon X4200 driving 7 speakers (and 2 speakers with an external amp). But I’m sure curious to find out what some HE Atmos speakers will do.

As most people, I’d love to see a sub ~$500 smaller speaker from PSA for an Atmos option, as there really aren’t a lot of good choices for an HE speaker outside of DIY to fill that void for now. I’ll post impressions of the Volts when done in a month or so.
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Finally bought some Volt 10’s to replace my little SVS Atmos satellites to better keep up with the PSA’s. The V10’s are still 40% lighter than the MT110-SR, so hopefully that’ll help a little when it comes to mounting them 12’ off the ground. The V10 may be overkill for Atmos but why not; I’d like all my drivers to match.

The one thing I noticed after installing the SVS a couple years ago was a little loss in detail and clarity and the perception of a slightly lower overall volume from the base 5 speaker PSA setup. It was still a nice upgrade, and one I didn’t want to redo since my mounting options were limited, but they’re the one weak link in my system.

I’m not sure if it’s a product of the upmixing to the height speakers or if I’m asking way too much from the front heights being 17’ away when pushed to reference with a Denon X4200 driving 7 speakers (and 2 speakers with an external amp). But I’m sure curious to find out what some HE Atmos speakers will do.

As most people, I’d love to see a sub ~$500 smaller speaker from PSA for an Atmos option, as there really aren’t a lot of good choices for an HE speaker outside of DIY to fill that void for now. I’ll post impressions of the Volts when done in a month or so.
I don't think the V10s are going to be overkill at all, I believe the Atmos speakers should get the same attention as your bed speakers if you want the full enveloping sound bubble created by object based 3D sound. I also think it's a product of (not so much the up mixing) asking way too much from your current SVS 4" drivers being that far from the MLP. I'm thinking they kind of get lost in the mix, this won't happen with the HE coaxial V10s even the 8s or 6s..........it's all about filling in the gaps and having a seamless integration just like you have with the LCRs and surrounds......I think you're going to be very happy with the Volts, Ray Nist uses the V8s with his JTR 215s.....that's a testament just how good these speakers are....good luck..

Are you going to mount them the same way as your SVS (high wall) or will they be ceiling mounted?
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Are you going to mount them the same way as your SVS (high wall) or will they be ceiling mounted?

Unfortunately I have no true ceiling option at this house with a 15’ vault in a 20’ wide room, so I’m making due with them 12’ high up on the wall for now in the front and back. I was going to just grab four V6 or V8’s, but for the small price difference might as well go big!

The Volt 6 & 8 options aren’t a whole lot smaller or lighter enclosure wise since they require the ported configuration to reach down to at least 80Hz unlike the sealed V10 which is +/- 3dB @ 70Hz.
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I'm guessing they'd fly off the shelves!
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Unfortunately I have no true ceiling option at this house with a 15’ vault in a 20’ wide room, so I’m making due with them 12’ high up on the wall for now in the front and back. I was going to just grab four V6 or V8’s, but for the small price difference might as well go big!

The Volt 6 & 8 options aren’t a whole lot smaller or lighter enclosure wise since they require the ported configuration to reach down to at least 80Hz unlike the sealed V10 which is +/- 3dB @ 70Hz.
Thanks for clarifying, I didn't realize you had the vaulted ceilings or were going with the sealed box, makes perfect sense to go with the 10s............How much distance difference between front heights to MLP and rear heights to MLP, it shouldn't be that critical as RC will match the levels at the MLP to make up the differences in distance. The slant boxes should work well for you, you could configure them as front and rear heights and calibrate and listen, most say this works well with DTS:X......or you configure as front and rear tops and rerun RC and listen again, most prefer this configuration for Dolby Atmos. In your case it will be a matter of preference being on wall high up and not front on ceiling and rear of MLP. If the SVS speakers were half decent to your ears the V10s will be substantially better guaranteed.
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Update: New PSA Goodies Acquired and New Problems To Solve!

So I recently acquired a pair of MT-110's from @FattyMcButterPants in perfect condition I'm in a bit of a dilemma as I originally was going to mount them where my mini monitors were - but I quickly figured out these things were way too large for those Video Secure Mounts!

So I disconnected the Mini Monitors and the Atoms, brought up some "stands" (a square table and an entertainment stand my dvds are currently sitting on), put some blu ray's down to set the angle and set the MT-100's on the stands. Shortly and quickly - these MT-110's ROCK! They sound very similar/exactly the same as the MT-210's match perfectly. As one mentioned on AVS before - I find myself listening to music in Multi-Channel Mode because it just sounds like another pair of PSA's are right behind me, which they are, so that make sense! ha.

Anyways - movies are another story - while I do find the effects more clear and matching w/ the fronts - I'm really missing the Side Surround+Rear Surround combo that I had going on before. I'm going to have to hit up Tom very soon and get a pair of the MT-110SR's and figure out a way to adequately mount all 4 of these behemoths! I do want to mount them lower than my P's are currently as I don't want them to interfere w/ the atmos layer as much - but I really dig the full envelopment of the 5.1.4 vs the 7.1.4 - though I don't really have proper placement for 5.1.4, hence the makeshift stands.

Anyhow all in all - great job Tom and PSA for a phenomenal product and thank you to Fatty as I'm more than pleased! Must get these SR's asap!
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@javan robinson - glad all went well during shipping! Also glad to hear you’re loving them, I had zero doubt you would.


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Just like @javan robinson - I purchased @FattyMcButterPants MTM-210C. The transaction was wonderful as communication was clear and speaker arrived in pristine condition in the factory box.

I have only had a short time listening to it and I am so amazed by the clarity. Played A Star is Born last night and it was a wonderful treat. I will have to get in touch with Tom and order a pair of MTM-210 or the MTM-210T.

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Wow... Fatty is setting everyone up with awesome speakers. Congrats you two on your new speakers.


Haha yep, it was definitely sad to see them go.

Gotta love the rock solid reputation of PSA though. Made the sales extremely easy!


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Just like @javan robinson - I purchased @FattyMcButterPants MTM-210C. The transaction was wonderful as communication was clear and speaker arrived in pristine condition in the factory box.



I have only had a short time listening to it and I am so amazed by the clarity. Played A Star is Born last night and it was a wonderful treat. I will have to get in touch with Tom and order a pair of MTM-210 or the MTM-210T.



Thank you FattyMcButterPants for the smooth transaction.


Glad all went well and you are enjoying that 210c!


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Wow... Fatty is setting everyone up with awesome speakers. Congrats you two on your new speakers.
Thanks Hop! I LOVE these PSA's and wish I would have found them a long time ago!

Also I was following along your trials and tribulations in the subwoofer thread. Congrats too, but sorry to hear about the amp issues and your mum <3. Made me re-think the decision to get the 4000 right this minute, re:amp issues , but it's still only a matter of minutes away..lol. Anyways - heart goes out to you man and hope things are getting a little better each day




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Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard both the PSA speaker offerings and the newer Klipsch RP line?
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard both the PSA speaker offerings and the newer Klipsch RP line?
I haven’t - but it looks like RP-6000F retails $500. Probably $50 in parts for that speaker and the rest is dealer markup and marketing. A $500 speaker from PSA probably has components that cost 3-4 times that much.

It also looks like they are designed to play much lower than the PSA speakers. I see the RP-6000 is rated at 97db sensitivity- I can gauanree that is a bogus number and nowhere near that - probably 88-89 at best. Klipsch over states sensitivity all the time. They give you ‘in room’ numbers.
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Just out of curiosity, has anyone heard both the PSA speaker offerings and the newer Klipsch RP line?
Havnt heard a Klipsch speaker made in the last 15 or so years, but the MTM210's were the only speakers capable of replacing my Klipsch Fortes which were bought new a long time ago. Many tried, but only PSA stayed in place and didnt go back.

A few comparisons I did. Wow, Its doesnt seem like I have had these for over 4 years now and the single XS30 has been replaced by dual S3000i-time flies. My 210's were the last 3 available from the first run and are signed by Tom and Jim

The only area that the older Fortes bettered the 210's was in "fullness" of sound in some material. But as the newer Klipshe are more in the same driver/cabinet size range as PSA, I would imagine that advantage is negated too. Also the 210T are known to sound fuller than my 210. The T version was not available when I purchased.

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https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post30278265
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