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I hear you. Wives can be a challenge when it comes to audio. My wife and many of my friends believe if they can hear it then the audio is working well so I can't sell an upgrade with how much better it will sound. She does feel comfortable with Tom as I have made many purchases all without a problem. I have to break it to her slowly as she is not big on change. I start with minor hints about something I am thinking about. She catches on quickly and asks how much? I respond that I don't know yet until I decide on the way I want to go. Then a couple of weeks later I get out the tape measure and I get that look. Then after a few weeks I get more specific and now she is resigned to the fact that I am serious. I tell her that this is my hobby and it is what I like doing. I get a reluctant OK. Sometimes I will sweeten the pot by suggesting we put an equal amount of money towards our mortgage or some other investment which seems to land well.


I like shopping at Trader Joe's because they never run sales. I feel confident they are giving me the best price they can and I don't have to worry about a purchase that will be discounted next week. Tom does offer discounts for returning customers and multiple sales as well as pre order pricing for newly introduced items.


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Indeed. Just was hoping I could somehow be like "Hey Honey- look! These are on SALE now".

Maybe just have them redo the website- have all the prices the same, but put a big "BLACK FRIDAY ONE DAY SALE" banner on there. If I come up with speakers for $4k, its expensive. But the website says "$4k today only, normal price $12k!" then its a deal. Right?

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I hear you. Wives can be a challenge when it comes to audio. My wife and many of my friends believe if they can hear it then the audio is working well so I can't sell an upgrade with how much better it will sound. She does feel comfortable with Tom as I have made many purchases all without a problem. I have to break it to her slowly as she is not big on change. I start with minor hints about something I am thinking about. She catches on quickly and asks how much? I respond that I don't know yet until I decide on the way I want to go. Then a couple of weeks later I get out the tape measure and I get that look. Then after a few weeks I get more specific and now she is resigned to the fact that I am serious. I tell her that this is my hobby and it is what I like doing. I get a reluctant OK. Sometimes I will sweeten the pot by suggesting we put an equal amount of money towards our mortgage or some other investment which seems to land well.
Oh my gosh... I could have been the one writing this. Everything you described is exactly the same way things happen in my house. Exactly the same! And my wife knows that once I start down the road towards an upgrade I keep gaining momentum until its really hard to stop the inevitable. But I dread the "How much?" question if it's a big purchase like the LT subwoofers were, that's the moment of no return. It will either be okay or it will create some conflict.

Anyway, I'm laying low now, I don't dare even suggest getting the projector I would like to get.

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So, uhhh... any plans for Black Friday speaker sales??
PSA never has sales. Your best bet is to try to find someone that is selling theirs. They don't come up that often. I wanna say people only sell if they are upgrading to the 210s/210ts. These are keepers. I cant fathom selling mine. They really are all you need for home theater, and you don't need and external amps. IMO there's no need to spend anymore $$ that what these cost.

Just buy em and join the PSA fan club. Trust me. The 6 years I had to wait until I can get them was worth it.

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@Hetfieldjames did you ever get your PSA speakers.........I remember you wanting them?
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Oh my gosh... I could have been the one writing this. Everything you described is exactly the same way things happen in my house. Exactly the same! And my wife knows that once I start down the road towards an upgrade I keep gaining momentum until its really hard to stop the inevitable. But I dread the "How much?" question if it's a big purchase like the LT subwoofers were, that's the moment of no return. It will either be okay or it will create some conflict.

Anyway, I'm laying low now, I don't dare even suggest getting the projector I would like to get.
I’m pretty lucky - my wife never asks how much. What she doesn’t. know can’t hurt her - LOL.

I recently added 4 atmos speakers to 2 of my systems (one in ceiling and one add one modules). She asked me if those where new at that is all.

I’m about to add atmos speakers to my bedroom too.
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@Hetfieldjames did you ever get your PSA speakers.........I remember you wanting them?
Nah, I'm sticking with what I got. Someday maybe though. I'm happy at the moment so why spend more money.
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The only thing that stopped me last time was when I measured the openings where I was planning to put the subwoofers. I have a large built-in where all of the front speakers and subs must go. The center and fronts fit (barely) and PSA speakers work because of no rear-porting. As for the subs, I really wanted to go with a pair of ported 18s, but those are probably too big unless I do carpentry. I could do sealed 18s, or ported 15s. Its a big room open to the rest of the house, so my gut really tells me to do what it takes to get as much woofer surface as possible.
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Currently debating picking up a pair of 210T for my room. It's a shame there's nowhere to demo them, and someone has yet to do YouTube video review. It's a long shot, but are any 210T owners in Southern California? If so, I'm happy to buy you lunch if I can get a quick listen.

It's come down to these or the Tekton Pendragon. Tekton speakers tend to be lower efficiency than advertised, and can suffer from cabinet resonance. I have subs to deal with the low end, so am strongly leaning towards PSA.
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Currently debating picking up a pair of 210T for my room. It's a shame there's nowhere to demo them, and someone has yet to do YouTube video review. It's a long shot, but are any 210T owners in Southern California? If so, I'm happy to buy you lunch if I can get a quick listen.

It's come down to these or the Tekton Pendragon. Tekton speakers tend to be lower efficiency than advertised, and can suffer from cabinet resonance. I have subs to deal with the low end, so am strongly leaning towards PSA.
Well I have 3 210T's for my L/C/R setup and I could not be happier. PSA does offer a 60 day free trial as well.
I was in the same boat as you are I was really set on the Tekton Pendragon's and was discussing it on a FB HT page and one person mentioned I should check out PSA.
So I read everything I could about them and there was never a negative mention of their speakers. The one thing that really sold me over the Tekton speakers was
that PSA literally only makes 1 speaker and in just 3 configurations and none of the polished or painted exotic woods that add to the cost. It made me feel like they
had discovered the right formula and stuck too it, unlike Tekton who makes 23 different tower speakers.
PSA does one speaker and does it right from the sound tp the amazing cabinets builds to the outer finish. I love the finish cause I don't have to worry about scratches or if they are in front
of the TV having light reflect off them.

I had a pair of Paradigm Studio 100's v5 which cost me more than my 3 210T's and Paradigms couldn't fill my room with enough sound or volume.
I was using a Emotiva XPA9 with the PSA but have since removed it and gone back to an AVR and can't tell the difference meaning they don't need all that amp power.
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Well I have 3 210T's for my L/C/R setup and I could not be happier. PSA does offer a 60 day free trial as well.
Thanks rustolemite. I know about the free trial, but it will likely cost $200 to send back if things don't work out. Still worth the risk, I think. It's a shame PSA don't offer free return shipping like they used to, but idiots were abusing this and PSA were getting unopened packages sent back.

Would you guys say the 210T has any weaknesses? Do they sound super focused and in-your-face, or would you say they throw a large soundstage and are dynamically relaxed?

How far is the compression horn tweeter from the floor in inches? Just checking to see if it hits me at ear level.

As I own subs, the bass roll-off at 60hz is a plus for me, but some owners were reporting that it actually goes lower, even down to 30hz.

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Bumping this thread again...



Currently watching Logan on blu ray and I can’t help but smile. I really feel like I got it right with these speakers and the audio mix is great. The dialogue is right out in front and crystal clear. I’ve been playing at -5db since I had these speakers. Keep in mind I have some hearing issues so it’s not too loud for me.

This brings me to something interesting. The blu ray audio mixes vary greatly. I’m not surprised by this but these speakers made me realize that even more than I used to. Watching Crawl a few weeks ago the dialogue just wasn’t mixed as loud and up front as blu rays like Logan or Edge of Tommorrow. I’m sure I’m not the only one that’s noticed this but I find myself loving audio mixes where the dialogue is mixed slightly louder and more up front than other discs. John Wick 3 sounded killer the other night as well. The scene with the shotguns was awesome. Speakers played flawlessly and my PB4000 delivered the goods effortlessly as well.

I’m trying to spread the word about these speakers as much as I can, but sadly their size/price seems to be the biggest hang up people have about them and it’s a shame.
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I watched Crawl (bluray) a few weeks ago as well (very much enjoyed the movie!) and don't remember having any dialogue issues with it...
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I watched Crawl (bluray) a few weeks ago as well (very much enjoyed the movie!) and don't remember having any dialogue issues with it...
I didn’t have any issues with it either. I just noticed that the dialogue wasn’t mixed as loudly as other blu rays like Edge of Tommorrow. Maybe I’m crazy haha but it def didn’t sound like it was mixed as loudly to my ears. Still had no trouble with hearing/understanding it. It just made me realize how different each sound mix is on each disc.

Just something I never noticed with my old Polk audio speakers.
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Anyone able to comment on MTM-210T + MTM-210C for the front soundstage vs. Klipsch RF7-III + RC64-III? The Klipsch run almost exactly the same price as the PSA from my dealer. Just for home theater use, and paired with PSA V1811 x 2 subs.

Guessing the PSA are the better speakers but my side and rear surrounds as well as overheads are all Klipsch, so I am debating between updating just the front soundstage with better Klipsch speakers or replacing the whole thing with PSA (starting with front soundstage and then adding surrounds later). The latter option is much more expensive, but I could recoup some of the cost by selling the Klipsch stuff.
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Anyone able to comment on MTM-210T + MTM-210C for the front soundstage vs. Klipsch RF7-III + RC64-III? The Klipsch run almost exactly the same price as the PSA from my dealer. Just for home theater use, and paired with PSA V1811 x 2 subs.



Guessing the PSA are the better speakers but my side and rear surrounds as well as overheads are all Klipsch, so I am debating between updating just the front soundstage with better Klipsch speakers or replacing the whole thing with PSA (starting with front soundstage and then adding surrounds later). The latter option is much more expensive, but I could recoup some of the cost by selling the Klipsch stuff.


I am using RP 250s with my PSA and they work great.


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Anyone able to comment on MTM-210T + MTM-210C for the front soundstage vs. Klipsch RF7-III + RC64-III? The Klipsch run almost exactly the same price as the PSA from my dealer. Just for home theater use, and paired with PSA V1811 x 2 subs.

Guessing the PSA are the better speakers but my side and rear surrounds as well as overheads are all Klipsch, so I am debating between updating just the front soundstage with better Klipsch speakers or replacing the whole thing with PSA (starting with front soundstage and then adding surrounds later). The latter option is much more expensive, but I could recoup some of the cost by selling the Klipsch stuff.
A few years back, I decided I would demo the 210s (not T) and 210C just to see what all the fuss was about. A week after getting them, I sold my RC64II/Klipschorn front stage. 'Nuff said.

FWIW, I still use RP61s for front heights and they sound great. There is absolutely no need to replace your Klipsch surrounds IMO...unless of course you really want to! I know someday I would like to get PSA all around, but it's not high on the priority list for me.

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Anyone able to comment on MTM-210T + MTM-210C for the front soundstage vs. Klipsch RF7-III + RC64-III? The Klipsch run almost exactly the same price as the PSA from my dealer. Just for home theater use, and paired with PSA V1811 x 2 subs.

Guessing the PSA are the better speakers but my side and rear surrounds as well as overheads are all Klipsch, so I am debating between updating just the front soundstage with better Klipsch speakers or replacing the whole thing with PSA (starting with front soundstage and then adding surrounds later). The latter option is much more expensive, but I could recoup some of the cost by selling the Klipsch stuff.
I used Klipsch Fortes for almost 25 years with an RC62 for maybe 12. Tried several replacements during the last 10 or so years and only PSA 210 LCR were able to replace them. I bought the 210's on the first launch so no towers were available.

Without subs, the old Fortes edged out the 210's but with subs, the 210's are better.
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A few years back, I decided I would demo the 210s (not T) and 210C just to see what all the fuss was about. A week after getting them, I sold my RC64II/Klipschorn front stage. 'Nuff said.

FWIW, I still use RP61s for front heights and they sound great. There is absolutely no need to replace your Klipsch surrounds IMO...unless of course you really want to! I know someday I would like to get PSA all around, but it's not high on the priority list for me.
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I used Klipsch Fortes for almost 25 years with an RC62 for maybe 12. Tried several replacements during the last 10 or so years and only PSA 210 LCR were able to replace them. I bought the 210's on the first launch so no towers were available.

Without subs, the old Fortes edged out the 210's but with subs, the 210's are better.

Thanks for the input guys! I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the full PSA system (210Tx2, 210Cx1, 110x4). Can't wait to receive them and get them set up!
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Thanks for the input guys! I went ahead and pulled the trigger on the full PSA system (210Tx2, 210Cx1, 110x4). Can't wait to receive them and get them set up!


I'm sitting here listening to Supertramp's "Take the Long Way Home" on my 210T's, the Soprano Sax is amazing over those speakers.

Disclaimer: I am not a Supertramp fan, the speakers are that good, I'm sitting here with a ridiculious grin enjoying the album.
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My apologies if this question or something similar has been answered already. I was reading through this thread, but I can't read it all lol, there are almost 9000 posts. I currently run Klipsch RP8000 L/R and RP504C center. Would the PSA 210T and 210C be a significant upgrade from what I am using? I would imagine the mid-bass would be punchier, but would I gain much in the imaging and clarity? The Klipsch are equally efficient, so I don't think I would gain anything in that regard.

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My apologies if this question or something similar has been answered already. I was reading through this thread, but I can't read it all lol, there are almost 9000 posts. I currently run Klipsch RP8000 L/R and RP504C center. Would the PSA 210T and 210C be a significant upgrade from what I am using? I would imagine the mid-bass would be punchier, but would I gain much in the imaging and clarity? The Klipsch are equally efficient, so I don't think I would gain anything in that regard.
Klipsch exaggerate their efficiency by 6 db. The PSA, will at the very least play louder with the same power, while also having much higher limits. Which one sounds better is a matter of taste, they have both reviewed well.
Also, PSA are designed to work with a subwoofer, and roll off significantly higher than the Klipsch.
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Klipsch exaggerate their efficiency by 6 db. The PSA, will at the very least play louder with the same power, while also having much higher limits. Which one sounds better is a matter of taste, they have both reviewed well.
Also, PSA are designed to work with a subwoofer, and roll off significantly higher than the Klipsch.
Not your particular Klipschs, but just scroll up a bit and there was someone asking for a comparison between PSA and RF7-IIIs...after said discussion, he ordered the PSAs.


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58924368
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Not your particular Klipschs, but just scroll up a bit and there was someone asking for a comparison between PSA and RF7-IIIs...after said discussion, he ordered the PSAs.


https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...l#post58924368
None of those comparisons were between modern Klipsch RP speakers and PSA.
It's a given that PSA has greater limits and is more efficient than even the RF7-III, however which one sounds better is more debatable, imo.

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None of those comparisons were between modern Klipsch RP speakers and PSA.
It's a given that PSA has greater limits and is more efficient than even the RF7-III, however which one sounds better is more debatable, imo.
It's not debatable to me, I've listened to the modern Klipsch on many occasions and I didn't like them, I found the sound of the PSA far more enjoyable.
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It's not debatable to me, I've listened to the modern Klipsch on many occasions and I didn't like them, I found the sound of the PSA far more enjoyable.
Well, I hope that the many PSA subwoofer owners that use Klipsch RP are enjoying the combo.
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Klipsch exaggerate their efficiency by 6 db. The PSA, will at the very least play louder with the same power, while also having much higher limits. Which one sounds better is a matter of taste, they have both reviewed well.
Also, PSA are designed to work with a subwoofer, and roll off significantly higher than the Klipsch.
Yes the sensitivity in the Klipsch is 98db in room and about 92 anechoic. I assume that the PSA have been tested by third party to confirm their efficiency rating is correct as well, like the Klipsch have been? Or are we just assuming that the manufacturer is being honest in this case? As far as the subwoofer is concerned I have that covered, I have dual TV3612 on order.
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Yes the sensitivity in the Klipsch is 98db in room and about 92 anechoic. I assume that the PSA have been tested by third party to confirm their efficiency rating is correct as well, like the Klipsch have been? Or are we just assuming that the manufacturer is being honest in this case? As far as the subwoofer is concerned I have that covered, I have dual TV3612 on order.
I don't know for a fact, but I've never seen anyone say that PSA's sensitivity figures are exaggerated. I would feel reasonably confident comparing the numbers on PSA's website to Klipsch's anechoic numbers.
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Well, I hope that the many PSA subwoofer owners that use Klipsch RP are enjoying the combo.
I'm sure they do, if there is one thing in audio that is subjective it's the preference for one speaker over another. I like to think that's what makes this hobby so much fun, we all like what we like and no one can tell us we're wrong.
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None of those comparisons were between modern Klipsch RP speakers and PSA.
It's a given that PSA has greater limits and is more efficient than even the RF7-III, however which one sounds better is more debatable, imo.
Sorry drh3b, I totally meant to quote bwieler21's post below, not yours.



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My apologies if this question or something similar has been answered already. I was reading through this thread, but I can't read it all lol, there are almost 9000 posts. I currently run Klipsch RP8000 L/R and RP504C center. Would the PSA 210T and 210C be a significant upgrade from what I am using? I would imagine the mid-bass would be punchier, but would I gain much in the imaging and clarity? The Klipsch are equally efficient, so I don't think I would gain anything in that regard.
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