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What you say is true for people who have never engaged in bias controlled listening tests. For those of us who have, we will say that the electronics in an audio system have almost nothing to do with sound quality at all, regardless of price. Sound quality is in the transducers and room acoustics, both of which walk all over any possible subtle affect of a source or amplifier.

The smart audiophile does the speakers and room acoustics the best he can and lets the rest of the system fall where it may.

Care to share what amplifiers, dacs, preamps you used to a/b? Need models.
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Bill, I was trying to send this as a PM, but could not figure out how to do it
Do you mind if I quote you in the aperion forum since you are speaker designer with your own company?
I think the "vertical version of the 2x6 center" would be a great thing.
I know it is a public forum, but want to make sure you are OK with it.
Chance that aperion look at this thread are very slim (I think).
Just want to make sure you are OK with it!
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No problem, anything I post anywhere can be considered public record. Besides, it is whether you want to to be or not.

BTW, I don't do PMs, here or anywhere, including my own forum. If I did after answering them all I'd have no time left to do anything else.
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Good amp ....awesome speakers.....screw the rest. While it does make a big difference, nothing more than that....
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No problem, anything I post anywhere can be considered public record. Besides, it is whether you want to to be or not.

BTW, I don't do PMs, here or anywhere, including my own forum. If I did after answering them all I'd have no time left to do anything else.
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Went to listen to the 802 Diamond yesterday.....


Very impressive speaker....as it should be for the price...


Anyway...My dealers suggestion, was to not get speakers ....


His suggestion, was to keep what I have, and get the Datasat RS20i....
and that will improve the sound enough to make me happy....


My speakers now are the Monitor Audio PL100....It is a standmount....


I do like how they sound.... Nice ribbon tweeter on them....


The Datasat is a pretty high tech piece, with MANY adjustments one can make...
Seems to be time based correction, frequency curves....EQ adjustments, etc....


Trying to decide what to do....




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Those pl100 are pretty darn nice, but you are going to need subs in your room. Even with a nice sub, your weak link is still midbass. A 7" woofer can only get so far. Another word you need bigger speakers. I have not heard data-sat pre, but from the data sheet, they have impressive room correction, maybe the best in the business.
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Went to listen to the 802 Diamond yesterday.....


Very impressive speaker....as it should be for the price...


Anyway...My dealers suggestion, was to not get speakers ....


His suggestion, was to keep what I have, and get the Datasat RS20i....
and that will improve the sound enough to make me happy....


My speakers now are the Monitor Audio PL100....It is a standmount....


I do like how they sound.... Nice ribbon tweeter on them....


The Datasat is a pretty high tech piece, with MANY adjustments one can make...
Seems to be time based correction, frequency curves....EQ adjustments, etc....


Trying to decide what to do....




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I would not recommend it since you are going 2.0 with music mostly, correct? If you are building yourself a real 5.1, or 7.1 DEDICATED home theatre space, it might make more sense because of digital sorround processing but for 2.0 music, I'd get better speakers and preamp/dac.

Your dealer is pretty much recommending the same stuff that some of us were recommending to you from the start. Pretty much he's recommending a better preamp/dac (converting/processing) but to a Home Theatre route. Some of us were recommending a better dac/preamp (again, converting/processing) to a 2.0 pcm Music route.

Should spend evenly throughout. All come from experience, we learned it the hard way (atleast I did) and not just talking out of thin air to you.

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Care to share what amplifiers, dacs, preamps you used to a/b? Need models.
Sorry the list is too long. Your needs don't mesh with my willingness to address them.
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Shelly,
What area of the sound does your platinums not give you? Monitor/sub combo not doing it anymore or just want a different sound?Just curious as I have MA rx8s and have always heard folks rave about the plats.


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I would disagree with you
I have done a bis test and came away with a different opinion

different electronics

same professionally sound treated room., same speakers and both pre/pros calibrated with their respective
systems. In this case Audessey XT32 and ARC
better sound and finer details...especially in 2 channel audio from the higher end electronics

worth the difference in $$?
completely up to the persons ears and wallet
I dont doubt that most anyone can hear a difference
Though just like anything else...the laws of diminishing returns applies

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Two problems here. First is that the test was not likely level matched, even if the test was blind. Second is that you are talking about processors, all of which sound different from each other because of differences in the room calibration software they use.
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Using calibration tool tells more about the tool's effect on sound than the electronics.
At last we agree on something.
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Two problems here. First is that the test was not likely level matched, even if the test was blind. Second is that you are talking about processors, all of which sound different from each other because of differences in the room calibration software they use.
it was level matched

I would agree with you that processors( and AVR's) have different sound characteristics
As for room correction systems.. I have listened to two brands that had the same room correction( Audessey XT32) and preferred one over the other
so there is more than room correction to the story as well
Otherwise people would just make their buying decisions pretty much solely on what room correction system was utilized

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I am a big believer in eq sand room correction when used appropriately. Too much applied and headroom goes out the door as well increased in distortion. But when used moderately, you can absolutely tailor the sound to your preference within the speaker's physical limits. However, as a rule of thumb, speaker placement and room treatment before eqs and room correction.
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Shelly,
What area of the sound does your platinums not give you? Monitor/sub combo not doing it anymore or just want a different sound?Just curious as I have MA rx8s and have always heard folks rave about the plats.


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I like the PL100 a lot.... just looking for a bigger, more dynamic sound....


I have a pretty big room.... about 5,500 cubic feet.....


I like to play the music on the loud side....

And I think the floorstanders offer more impact to the music.... Maybe it is the mid-bass....


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I like the PL100 a lot.... just looking for a bigger, more dynamic sound....


I have a pretty big room.... about 5,500 cubic feet.....


I like to play the music on the loud side....

And I think the floorstanders offer more impact to the music.... Maybe it is the mid-bass....


Shelly

I can understand that. I went from bookshelves to the rx8s and agree that they add more impact while remaining capable of remaining composed during louder volume sessions. I don't think I could go back to bookshelves for mains since they are used for both music and movies. If it were a dedicated movie setup I could do bookshelves only and be ok.

I can also get why you may just want to try another brand just to mix things up, but what are your thoughts of just going up to the pl200 or pl300? Though probably the pl300 in your space.


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I can understand that. I went from bookshelves to the rx8s and agree that they add more impact while remaining capable of remaining composed during louder volume sessions. I don't think I could go back to bookshelves for mains since they are used for both music and movies. If it were a dedicated movie setup I could do bookshelves only and be ok.

I can also get why you may just want to try another brand just to mix things up, but what are your thoughts of just going up to the pl200 or pl300? Though probably the pl300 in your space.


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The PL300s are a definite possibility, if I don't find anything else that says.... "Buy Me"


I really like the tweeter on the PL line of speakers....


I seem to like a metal, or a ribbon tweeter, as opposed to a soft dome tweeter....


The speakers I am looking at now, seem to mostly have beryllium, or the diamond of the B&W 800 series....


Going to listen to the Rockport Atria, either later this week, or next week....


Haven't been able to find a dealer that has the Salon 2 on display....


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The PL300s are a definite possibility, if I don't find anything else that says.... "Buy Me"


I really like the tweeter on the PL line of speakers....


I seem to like a metal, or a ribbon tweeter, as opposed to a soft dome tweeter....


The speakers I am looking at now, seem to mostly have beryllium, or the diamond of the B&W 800 series....


Going to listen to the Rockport Atria, either later this week, or next week....


Haven't been able to find a dealer that has the Salon 2 on display....


Shelly

Those look nice, I'd never heard of rockport. I'm a sucker for carbon fiber. According to this write up, they recommend the atria for rooms up to 2500cuft and the avior for rooms 2500-5000+cuft, depending on listening levels of course. Worth a listen for sure though.

http://www.soundenvironment.com/the-...m-has-arrived/

Surprisingly, revels are hard to come by in atlanta too. I was only able to find one place that had them after a lot of digging, but never got by there to hear them unfortunately. Might have to try and find them again for giggles.
Hope you're having fun auditioning



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