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Hi all,

I’m looking to get a pair of Atmos speakers for my 5.1 system which consists exclusively of Polk speakers. I tried the ELAC A4 but they did not really make a noticeable difference. Any thoughts on whether the KEF Q50a or Klipsch 14sa/140sa may possibly be better?

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Hi all,

I’m looking to get a pair of Atmos speakers for my 5.1 system which consists exclusively of Polk speakers. I tried the ELAC A4 but they did not really make a noticeable difference. Any thoughts on whether the KEF Q50a or Klipsch 14sa/140sa may possibly be better?

Thanks,
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You are in luck, i tried both Klipsch and KEF, but it will not matter for the effect what brand you use.
I thought the expenceive KEF would do a better job then Klipsch, but makes no differents, at least, not in my case (hard popcorn ceiling)
Direct fire is the best option for me.
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You are in luck, i tried both Klipsch and KEF, but it will not matter for the effect what brand you use.
I thought the expenceive KEF would do a better job then Klipsch, but makes no differents, at least, not in my case (hard popcorn ceiling)
Direct fire is the best option for me.
Thanks for the response. So you’re saying that none of the upfiring speakers work well so just buy the cheapest ones if ceiling mount isn’t an option?
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Thanks for the response. So you’re saying that none of the upfiring speakers work well so just buy the cheapest ones if ceiling mount isn’t an option?

No, they worked the same, but i liked Direct fire better.
If you have a flat ceiling, have the DE speaker in optimum position, they can do the job.
I could not detect that KEF did a better job then the much cheaper Klipsch.
The overall "height" effect for both was the same.
They bounce, they are speakers, they use Dolby spec filters, and Audyssey will EQ them, so in the end its (very near) the same.
Think its more to get a DE speaker that will match your Fronts so it will look nice, special if it is a different brand.


Instade of ceiling mount you can also do wall mount, like i did, but then the bennefit of Direct fire.
This will work for Klipsch and other brands, not KEF, they are just for "on top" use.
Some brands will have a switch for DE use, or Direct fire, others like Klipsch do not have a switch.
The Magnat Cinema Ultra i use has a DE or Direct fire switch.
When i use the DE setting the tweeter will sound much sharper and higher then in the Direct setting.
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Your room looks nice! want to post some more photos ? Wich speakers u have for surrounds? magnat too?
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No, they worked the same, but i liked Direct fire better.
If you have a flat ceiling, have the DE speaker in optimum position, they can do the job.
I could not detect that KEF did a better job then the much cheaper Klipsch.
The overall "height" effect for both was the same.
They bounce, they are speakers, they use Dolby spec filters, and Audyssey will EQ them, so in the end its (very near) the same.
Think its more to get a DE speaker that will match your Fronts so it will look nice, special if it is a different brand.


Instade of ceiling mount you can also do wall mount, like i did, but then the bennefit of Direct fire.
This will work for Klipsch and other brands, not KEF, they are just for "on top" use.
Some brands will have a switch for DE use, or Direct fire, others like Klipsch do not have a switch.
The Magnat Cinema Ultra i use has a DE or Direct fire switch.
When i use the DE setting the tweeter will sound much sharper and higher then in the Direct setting.
Ok I see. Thanks again. Now i wish I'd kept the A4's. They cost half as much as the Klipsch
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Your room looks nice! want to post some more photos ? Wich speakers u have for surrounds? magnat too?
Hi, do not want to post to much photos on-line of my livingroom so did some just from the speakers.
Indeed i use a complete set of Magnat Cinema Ultra THX, Front and Center the LCR-100, Surround the RD-200 on the backwall, Front and Rear Height the 400-ATM, and the Sub 300 THX.
For surround back i use 2x KEF T101C (last update from just some days ago ) and for VOG also 2x KEF T101C above the 2 seats.
The receiver is a Denon X6400H with the help for VOG (Auro 3D) speakers that i can use also in Dolby and DTS !, from a Denon PMA720.
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Great set u have! Congrats!
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Great set u have! Congrats!

Think i will be back on DE use this weekend as i do not like the now very clear Front L/R and Rear L/R Height i hear.
Even at first i did liked this Direct fire, with DE use the sound is more diffuse and seems to come more above me, instade of heigh in front and to the back of me.
Think there is no good or bad, just personal taste.
This is why i like these Magnat speakers with the DE or Direct switch, the user can play around to get the best effect for his room situation
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Quick question, Can you have upward firing speakers placed on subwoofers? Or will that be too low?
We have in-wall speakers so don't have anywhere to set them except on the subwoofers.

Just wondering if they will be too low to get the proper reflection?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

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Quick question, Can you have upward firing speakers placed on subwoofers? Or will that be too low?
We have in-wall speakers so don't have anywhere to set them except on the subwoofers.

Just wondering if they will be too low to get the proper reflection?

Thanks in advance for any and all help.

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Absolute to low !
Its not about the reflection, its about not hearing to much of the DE speakers itself, so they need to be higher then ear level or you will hear Height effects coming from below
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No, they worked the same, but i liked Direct fire better.
If you have a flat ceiling, have the DE speaker in optimum position, they can do the job.
I could not detect that KEF did a better job then the much cheaper Klipsch.
The overall "height" effect for both was the same.
They bounce, they are speakers, they use Dolby spec filters, and Audyssey will EQ them, so in the end its (very near) the same.
Think its more to get a DE speaker that will match your Fronts so it will look nice, special if it is a different brand.
I love your setup with the album covers what did you use to attach them to the wall? Full size album covers?

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I love your setup with the album covers what did you use to attach them to the wall? Full size album covers?

Hi, the albums (full size LP) sit inside a U shape aluminium bar so can easy be replaced
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Hi all. Quick question. When measuring distance from speaker to ceiling do you measure from the bottom of the speaker or the top? I'm using the Klipsch 14SA's. Thanks.
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Hi all. Quick question. When measuring distance from speaker to ceiling do you measure from the bottom of the speaker or the top? I'm using the Klipsch 14SA's. Thanks.
You measure from the acoustic center of the speaker. In this case that is the center of the baffle in the x axis, and between the woofer/tweeter.

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You measure from the acoustic center of the speaker. In this case that is the center of the baffle in the x axis, and between the woofer/tweeter.

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Perfect thank you. In my case that'll be ~4ft. Is that acceptable? They seem to sound ok
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Perfect thank you. In my case that'll be ~4ft. Is that acceptable? They seem to sound ok
That is really close, the reflection point will be past your seating position. You may need to adjust placement for optimum results.
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That is really close, the reflection point will be past your seating position. You may need to adjust placement for optimum results.
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Dolby Atmos- Front Up-firing and Rear Elevation for 5.1.4

Hi Guys,

Doing an upgrade of my kit- 4K projector,Screen etc and need some help with a potential 5.1.4 Atmos Setup

I have inlcuded a picture of my current setup. I have B&W CM7 fronts and CM center channel, and currently using some Monitor Audio Raduis 90's for rear (I intend to change this depending on what route I take for my rear Atmos setup). So a classic 5.1 system ( using a B&W PV1 sub)

As you can see, I am really tight for space on the rear channels. I can move the sofa maybe 2 or 3 feet forward but not a lot more. I also intend to get a 92" fixed projector screen so I wouldn't want to move super close.

Considering the above, I am worried if I use up-firing speakers for the rears , I would not have enough space behind the sofa to correctly align the rear speakers for Atmos duty. This got me thinking if I could use a combination of up-firing speaker modules for my fronts ( looking at Elac or Kef Modules ) and something like the SVS Prime Elevation or Dali Alteco C-1 as rear elevation to mimic in-ceiling Atmos speakers. The rear elevation speakers would be mounted right up where ceiling meets wall ( ceiling is approx 7.7Ft tall) .

Would this system work? Or do you think I would be able to incorporate up-firing modules or something like the Pioneer Bookshelf speakers with in-built Atmos speaker ( by Andrew Jones) into my setup ?

Looking forward to any helpful comments
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Hi Guys,

Doing an upgrade of my kit- 4K projector,Screen etc and need some help with a potential 5.1.4 Atmos Setup

I have inlcuded a picture of my current setup. I have B&W CM7 fronts and CM center channel, and currently using some Monitor Audio Raduis 90's for rear (I intend to change this depending on what route I take for my rear Atmos setup). So a classic 5.1 system ( using a B&W PV1 sub)

As you can see, I am really tight for space on the rear channels. I can move the sofa maybe 2 or 3 feet forward but not a lot more. I also intend to get a 92" fixed projector screen so I wouldn't want to move super close.

Considering the above, I am worried if I use up-firing speakers for the rears , I would not have enough space behind the sofa to correctly align the rear speakers for Atmos duty. This got me thinking if I could use a combination of up-firing speaker modules for my fronts ( looking at Elac or Kef Modules ) and something like the SVS Prime Elevation or Dali Alteco C-1 as rear elevation to mimic in-ceiling Atmos speakers. The rear elevation speakers would be mounted right up where ceiling meets wall ( ceiling is approx 7.7Ft tall) .

Would this system work? Or do you think I would be able to incorporate up-firing modules or something like the Pioneer Bookshelf speakers with in-built Atmos speaker ( by Andrew Jones) into my setup ?

Looking forward to any helpful comments
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Try to do on the rear what i did, and use a speakers like the KEF T101 on the ceiling straight above the sofa.
On the fronts you can use "bouncers", maybe KEF R50 to keep the sound "British"
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Thanks for the advise buddy.. And I'm not intentionally going Brexit with my setup , just love me some B&W's

The Kef T101 look like a good idea, buy I'm just worried that at 7.7ft , my ceilings are too low and the should would be very directional/localised and not dispersed as preferred for Atmos.

If i may ask, how tall is your ceiling?

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Try to do on the rear what i did, and use a speakers like the KEF T101 on the ceiling straight above the sofa.
On the fronts you can use "bouncers", maybe KEF R50 to keep the sound "British"
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Hi all,

I’m looking to get a pair of Atmos speakers for my 5.1 system which consists exclusively of Polk speakers. I tried the ELAC A4 but they did not really make a noticeable difference. Any thoughts on whether the KEF Q50a or Klipsch 14sa/140sa may possibly be better?

Thanks,
Mario
Did you find a good solution with your Polk speakers? Did you go with the Klipsch RP-140SA? Do they work well with your Polks?

Have an older but still working (and sounding good) Polk RT1000i floorstanding tower speakers and like the simplicity of adding the Atmos-enabled speaker on top of the towers

Thanks!

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Did you find a good solution with your Polk speakers? Did you go with the Klipsch RP-140SA? Do they work well with your Polks?

Have an older but still working (and sounding good) Polk RT1000i floorstanding tower speakers and like the simplicity of adding the Atmos-enabled speaker on top of the towers

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Ended up going with the Klipsch 14SA's. They're a bit better than the A4's imo but still don't produce sounds "from above" like an actual ceiling mounted speaker would. In my case I have no choice though so I'm sticking with them.
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Thanks for the advise buddy.. And I'm not intentionally going Brexit with my setup , just love me some B&W's

The Kef T101 look like a good idea, buy I'm just worried that at 7.7ft , my ceilings are too low and the should would be very directional/localised and not dispersed as preferred for Atmos.

If i may ask, how tall is your ceiling?
My ceiling is 2.50 meter, a bit heigher but think your +/- 2.30 meter will not be a problem.
And if it will be directional, it will be above you, where you want it to be !
Think a plane that will fly over in real live is also very directional
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Ended up going with the Klipsch 14SA's. They're a bit better than the A4's imo but still don't produce sounds "from above" like an actual ceiling mounted speaker would. In my case I have no choice though so I'm sticking with them.
Nice and thanks for the info! Any tonal issues between all Polks and these Klipsch speakers? Or did they integrate pretty nicely with the other speakers?

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How did you mount your Kef T101 on the ceiling ? Drilled holes or adhensives?

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And if it will be directional, it will be above you, where you want it to be !
Think a plane that will fly over in real live is also very directional
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Nice and thanks for the info! Any tonal issues between all Polks and these Klipsch speakers? Or did they integrate pretty nicely with the other speakers?
Seem to be a close match.
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Seem to be a close match.
Nice! Probably going to pull the trigger on them

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How did you mount your Kef T101 on the ceiling ? Drilled holes or adhensives?

They are not heavy so you can use adhesive, i did two small holes to be sure, they are above your head
The T101 come with a mounting plate and a tamplate for the holes, so very easy to work above your head.
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