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I got a set of the Sony SSCSE to sit on my rear speakers. I'm using them in conjunction with my set of B&W 600 series speakers with the B&W 686 speakers hung near the ceiling as front heights.

After a fresh Audyssey calibration I watched a few of the Dolby Atmos trailers in the Xbox One Dolby app and a selection of UHD discs.

So far I'm fairly impressed. The rear sound field is definitely "bigger". Sounds moving around the room feel more connect from front to rear in panning. This was very evident during The Matrix where Neo is dodging the bullets fired from the agent's gun. The opening scene of Mad Max when the guys on the bikes fly into the scene from behind it sounded like they were coming from high up behind me.

My receiver automatically set the crossover to 200hz and I did manually increase them by 5dbs as many on this thread recommended.
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My receiver automatically set the crossover to 200hz and I did manually increase them by 5dbs as many on this thread recommended.
200Hz crossover is quite high...
It should be 80Hz.
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I use Focal Sib Evo Atmos speakers, and the sound is amazing. I can feel/hear sound comming from above.

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200Hz crossover is quite high...
It should be 80Hz.
80Hz for upfiring atmos speakers?

I think the average is around 120Hz

At least is what I've been reading in most forum's.
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80Hz for upfiring atmos speakers?
Oh, my bad, I thought that was the general crossover for speakers/subwoofer.
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Only had a few mins with them before I had to run out the house, but not much coming from overhead. Used Mission Impossible Rogue Nation (any other demo worth movies?)

Positioned on top of my bookshelves at about 4ft off the ground. 6ft from ceiling. MLP is about 8.5-9ft away

sparechange youtube review of rogue nation 4k disc for the atmos said the atmos effects are practically nonexistent. so you want to be sure to test with a movie atmos track that is confirmed to have good height effects for you to hear. (they do vary from film to film)

Terminator Genisys blu ray or 4k disc has a good atmos track.
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Guys is there any performance and sound quality difference between dolby atmos 5.1.4 overhead (all 4 at the ceiling) and hybrid (2 front atmos speakers at the ceiling and 2 rear with atmos enabled speaker)?
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Guys is there any performance and sound quality difference between dolby atmos 5.1.4 overhead (all 4 at the ceiling) and hybrid (2 front atmos speakers at the ceiling and 2 rear with atmos enabled speaker)?
Properly positioned ceiling speakers will always perform better than atmos enabled speakers (up-firing), but the difference may only be detectable to an expert. The scope of this forum is limited and you may get a more comprehensive reply over in the https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post56419822 forum.
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Hello

I was hoping to get some feedback on a few changes to my system. I currently have a 5.1 system, and have decided to add Atmos and Bipolar sides to improve the overall system. This is my question, I currently have in walls for my side rears and will be installing Kliptsh RP250's as side bi poles. My rear in walls/bi poles are approx. 8 Ft high. I am adding 4 SVS elevation speakers above both in walls/bi poles near my ceilings (9ft high). Once installed there will be a 6 inch space between the speakers. I figured since they are different channels and will produce different sounds, the atoms speakers should not interfere with the other speakers. Hope I am not confusing anyone in trying to explain my install. Has anyone done something like this before, and what if any problems will this cause.
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I'm debating picking up the Sony SSCSE ATMOS speakers to sit on top of my older KEF Reference Model Twos. That $158 shipped isn't a bad deal to try. I only stream via a Shield, PS4 or ATV 4K and wonder how much ATMOS usage I'll actually get at least until the Fall when Apple rolls out more? Should I just holdout for some KEF Q50a speakers and more content? My 5.1 setup can only go to 5.1.2 because of my room.
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I was hoping to get some feedback on a few changes to my system. I currently have a 5.1 system, and have decided to add Atmos and Bipolar sides to improve the overall system. This is my question, I currently have in walls for my side rears and will be installing Kliptsh RP250's as side bi poles. My rear in walls/bi poles are approx. 8 Ft high. I am adding 4 SVS elevation speakers above both in walls/bi poles near my ceilings (9ft high). Once installed there will be a 6 inch space between the speakers. I figured since they are different channels and will produce different sounds, the atoms speakers should not interfere with the other speakers. Hope I am not confusing anyone in trying to explain my install. Has anyone done something like this before, and what if any problems will this cause.
I am a little confused. I assume you are planning to add 2 Klipsch RP-250S surround speakers and 4 SVS Prime Elevation Speakers. This would be 7.1.4 configuration. Is this correct and do you have a suitable AVR?
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I'm debating picking up the Sony SSCSE ATMOS speakers to sit on top of my older KEF Reference Model Twos. That $158 shipped isn't a bad deal to try. I only stream via a Shield, PS4 or ATV 4K and wonder how much ATMOS usage I'll actually get at least until the Fall when Apple rolls out more? Should I just holdout for some KEF Q50a speakers and more content? My 5.1 setup can only go to 5.1.2 because of my room.
I do not believe the difference will be a "night and day", and there might only be a marginal improvement with the KEF's which are nearly 2.5 times more expensive. I would go for the Sony.

PS. The DE speakers must be placed at least at ear level and preferably a little higher.
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I do not believe the difference will be a "night and day", and there might only be a marginal improvement with the KEF's which are nearly 2.5 times more expensive. I would go for the Sony.

PS. The DE speakers must be placed at least at ear level and preferably a little higher.
Thanks, maybe I'll give them a try. They would be placed at that level too. I also spotted these Klipsch RF-14SA ones for $42 more:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Klipsch-R-1...96203?var=null

I've been debating upgrading my mains to Forte IIIs later on so I'd at least be semi consistent there.
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I’m debating between the Sony SSCSE for 158, the Pioneer Andrew Jones for 200 or the ELAC Debut 2 for 250. Price isn’t so much of an issue. Trying the figure out what would be a better speaker., and if the others are Elac’s are better than the others. My front 3 speakers are AV123 Ref 1 speakers, and NHT SB2’s, so it’s already a mixed bag.


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I’m debating between the Sony SSCSE for 158, the Pioneer Andrew Jones for 200 or the ELAC Debut 2 for 250. Price isn’t so much of an issue. Trying the figure out what would be a better speaker., and if the others are Elac’s are better than the others. My front 3 speakers are AV123 Ref 1 speakers, and NHT SB2’s, so it’s already a mixed bag.
They should all be comparable, so I would pick the one that matches your other speakers in finish and size.
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Yes you are correct, I’m running a Marantz 7011.
For this very elaborate system I would suggest you post your question over in the dedicated Atmos thread https://www.avsforum.com/forum/90-re...l#post56428726
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I’m debating between the Sony SSCSE for 158, the Pioneer Andrew Jones for 200 or the ELAC Debut 2 for 250. Price isn’t so much of an issue. Trying the figure out what would be a better speaker., and if the others are Elac’s are better than the others. My front 3 speakers are AV123 Ref 1 speakers, and NHT SB2’s, so it’s already a mixed bag.


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I'm not sure where you are buying from, but I would get all 3 and try.

I had the Sony's but wasn't too impressed. Running some ATMOS demos, there was a little up top (particularly with high frequency stuff), but nothing jaw dropping. Just an "eh". But my room is pretty small and speakers fairly close to the MLP, so my 5.1 surround playing anything Dolby already gives some feeling of height. For me, I'm pretty sure I'd have to go with ceiling speakers to really get the affect of Atmos.

I was reading something that said that people perceive audio from above differently. What may work for me may not work for you. I believe audioholics discussed this in their Atmos enabled speaker videos from a couple of years ago.
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i have dolby atmos upfiring speakers. the pioneer elites by andrew jones; they sound fantastic. 5.1.4.

I recently did this fun trick: I have 8ft regular ceiling tile in a basement; sound controlled.

I put aluminum foil over my ceiling tile overhead from my upfiring speakers; to help the ceiling bounce.



after many games and movies later; it nicely helps the overhead sounds!!
Give it a whirl, you only have some low cost foil to lose. = )
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i have dolby atmos upfiring speakers. the pioneer elites by andrew jones; they sound fantastic. 5.1.4.

I recently did this fun trick: I have 8ft regular ceiling tile in a basement; sound controlled.

I put aluminum foil over my ceiling tile overhead from my upfiring speakers; to help the ceiling bounce.



after many games and movies later; it nicely helps the overhead sounds!!
Give it a whirl, you only have some low cost foil to lose. = )
Foil an interesting idea you have come up with.


I also have the Pioneer DAES and agree they perform VERY well.


You can also cut a piece of drywall the size of your ceiling tiles. Just replace the tiles in the area where you need a hard surface.


Most HD or Lowes sell broken drywall at a significant discount.

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After having the Sony SSCSE for over a week I would say I generally like them.

I wouldn't say I hear things directly over me, but they definitely help "fill in the blanks" when anything moves from my front heights to the rear soundstage.

For the price they don't seem to detract from my matching speakers and they were an easy way to add more "height" behind me.
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I picked up the Sonys for $118 shipped and am looking forward to trying them out. Any other reports on them? I can only go 5.1.2 so hopefully they'll give me some noticed benefit.
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After having the Sony SSCSE for over a week I would say I generally like them.



I wouldn't say I hear things directly over me, but they definitely help "fill in the blanks" when anything moves from my front heights to the rear soundstage.



For the price they don't seem to detract from my matching speakers and they were an easy way to add more "height" behind me.


I also got a pair to match with my ss-cs5’s and I would offer a similar assessment. I don’t have great content to test with yet as I rely on appleTV 4K for all of my content.


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I'm still tempted to test moving the Elac A4s in my 5.1.2 setup to the back, on my R/L surrounds. Because the current surrounds are tiny Mirage satellites (about 4"w, 5"d) I'd have to upgrade to the B5s or similarly sized speakers to hold the A4s - mainly to keep it looking nice and provide a stable platform for the modules.

I'm limited as to where they can go, and have an old/dumb question - should the height of the tweeters in the B5s be equal to that of the front F5s? As you can see from the diagram they would only be about 2' from the two main listening positions. (and that in itself varies as it's a reclining sofa) When on top of the F5s, that puts the A4s just at 4' from the ceiling.

I'd have to get new speaker stands to hold the B5+A4 combo, and clearly my budget is small; hence the question of the height.

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I'm limited as to where they can go, and have an old/dumb question - should the height of the tweeters in the B5s be equal to that of the front F5s?
Side or Rear speakers can be at a higher position than the Fronts, you can go at 1.25 x Fronts height.

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As you can see from the diagram they would only be about 2' from the two main listening positions. (and that in itself varies as it's a reclining sofa)
Also, this is not unusual for small/medium rooms. This is also my situation. Is fine.

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When on top of the F5s, that puts the A4s just at 4' from the ceiling.
The height of A4 is not unusual, you may need to play with the height and angle to get good height sound effects from the A4's. The normal height is "just above the ear height", but it is not carved in stone, the theory is: you cannot have a direct sound from the A4's drive, only the ceiling reflection. That's why the height and angle are important, to focus the sound so that it emanates from the ceiling.
You can angle them back to the front wall so you can get a 2nd reflection if the 1st reflection does not work too well, just as in the attached diagram.
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I currently have a 5.2.4 system setup with elac upfiring for atmos. I watched some Atmos demos last night and I preferred the sound slightly when I raised my front height speakers 4-5" (by using a book under my front speakers). This puts the speaker close to 4' away from the ceiling (8' ceilling) instead of the 4.5' they are currently at which is only above ear level by a few inches. I think I'm hearing just a touch of direct sound.

Is there a product anyone has used to put inbetween my front speakers and the atmos add-on modules? I mean really you just need a black piece of wood. I'm not sure what I would search for on something like amazon if I wanted a ready made, good looking, option. I could go to the hardware store and buy some wood and stain it black to mostly match my speakers but the sound improvement isn't enough to make me want to do all that work. Any ideas?
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@dfa973 - thanks for the response. I have yet to test the 2nd reflection idea, though I wouldn't like the aesthetics of the speaker wires poking out of the front. I hope to do some experimenting this weekend. I might run a set of wires to the back and just leave them in place, just in case I decide to go 5.1.4 someday.
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Things move quickly - just ordered some new speaker wire, and after looking at prices for speaker stands - I think I'll make my own out of PVC. (they can be made to look nice later on) I have an old set of Polk bookshelf speakers that are approximately the size of the B5s, I can use those temporarily to test as platforms for the A4s.

My gf already thought I was crazy for repeatedly playing the Atmos demos and sitting at various points in the room. The other night:

gf - "Would you watch that Quiet Place movie?"
me - "Yeah, supposedly that has a great Atmos track. Wait.. I have some more work to do for the Atmos stuff."
(I break out the measuring tape while explaining the idea of moving the Atmos modules to the back)
gf - "I'll just watch it on the plane during my trip next week."

Oh well!
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I have a full Klipsch Reference Premiere 5.2.4 Atmos setup in my living room. My girlfriend does not even notice if the receiver fails to turn on and movies or tv is playing out of the tinny TV speakers. She literally has no idea and pretty much can't tell a different. I don't know how the hell that's possible.
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