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post #871 of 1195 Old 07-01-2016, 06:35 PM
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Single prime bookshelf on its side gets my vote... unless you can change tv stand or add a riser that the prime center can go under...
I ran a BS on it side for years on my old setup. After upgrading everything I ended up with the Ultra Center on the bottom shelf. At someones suggestion to raise it up I worked out something I could live with, I really did want to get the vertical alignment closer with the bookshelves.

After doing the dry fit I decided to slope the inside edges to fit in with the slope on the SVS speakers. The photos of the stand in place are a bit dark but maybe you can get the idea. The riser sides come forward just enough to accommodate the TV stand. The CC slides back into the space between the riser sides and the TV stand.
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Single prime bookshelf on its side gets my vote... unless you can change tv stand or add a riser that the prime center can go under...
I ran a BS on it side for years on my old setup. After upgrading everything I ended up with the Ultra Center on the bottom shelf. At someones suggestion to raise it up I worked out something I could live with, I really did want to get the vertical alignment closer with the bookshelves.

After doing the dry fit I decided to slope the inside edges to fit in with the slope on the SVS speakers. The photos of the stand in place are a bit dark but maybe you can get the idea. The riser sides come forward just enough to accommodate the TV stand. The CC slides back into the space between the riser sides and the TV stand.
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I toed in my prime BS mains today instead of having them facing straight towards the back wall... treble frequency response is now much flatter (without EQ) and stereo imaging is far more focused/precise. Helps especially with 2ch music or 2ch Netflix content.
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Toe-in is related to how far your MLP is from the speakers. The further you are, the less you want to toe in and vice versa.

Too much toe in will result in a reduced soundstage (much more so for stereo content) despite imaging being more focused and pronounced. There's a fine balance and sweet spot really.

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Toe-in is related to how far your MLP is from the speakers. The further you are, the less you want to toe in and vice versa.

Too much toe in will result in a reduced soundstage (much more so for stereo content) despite imaging being more focused and pronounced. There's a fine balance and sweet spot really.
I set it visually from the same distance as mlp, but perfectly centered between TV/CC. In my case, it seems to have done more good than harm.
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Here's a pic from the mlp distance, centered from CC/TV. I'm standing up though for the pic.
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I wanted to add that my front left was previously falling off on the high end after 2kHz or so and the front right was kinda hot on the high end. The CC was nearly perfectly flat. Now the front left and right are nearly perfectly flat too, with the front right matching the CC exactly and the front left having a bit less high end but still mostly flat. Since I sit a bit to the right of the CC, this helps keep the stereo image centered with the TV/CC and I no longer feel the sound is biased towards the right side.
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Liking the results so far, and less listening fatigue when I turn things up.
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Here's a pic from the mlp distance, centered from CC/TV. I'm standing up though for the pic.
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I wanted to add that my front left was previously falling off on the high end after 2kHz or so and the front right was kinda hot on the high end. The CC was nearly perfectly flat. Now the front left and right are nearly perfectly flat too, with the front right matching the CC exactly and the front left having a bit less high end but still mostly flat. Since I sit a bit to the right of the CC, this helps keep the stereo image centered with the TV/CC and I no longer feel the sound is biased towards the right side.

Not sure of your dimensions since you didn't provide any measurement. But from that pic, it looks almost near-field so yes that amount of toe-in is about just right (from the looks of the pic).

Either ways, glad to hear you're liking the results.

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Here's a pic from the mlp distance, centered from CC/TV. I'm standing up though for the pic.
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I wanted to add that my front left was previously falling off on the high end after 2kHz or so and the front right was kinda hot on the high end. The CC was nearly perfectly flat. Now the front left and right are nearly perfectly flat too, with the front right matching the CC exactly and the front left having a bit less high end but still mostly flat. Since I sit a bit to the right of the CC, this helps keep the stereo image centered with the TV/CC and I no longer feel the sound is biased towards the right side.

Not sure of your dimensions since you didn't provide any measurement. But from that pic, it looks almost near-field so yes that amount of toe-in is about just right (from the looks of the pic).

Either ways, glad to hear you're liking the results.
MLP is about 5-6 ft from TV/CC, mains about 4ft apart. TV is only 46 inches.
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Any word on the prime atoms speakers? Thought they were supposed to come out this spring.
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Seems like the better stereo imaging of my toed in mains has improved the bass imaging/soundstage too. It sounds more refined/articulate though ever so slightly milder.
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Any word on the prime atoms speakers? Thought they were supposed to come out this spring.
Prime atoms? Wasn't aware of any Prime Atoms speakers at all. The only upcoming speakers from SVS (that has been anonunced) are the Prime Elevations.


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Good to hear.

I watched 13 hours soldiers of benghazi a couple of days ago. Man this movie is another bass haven kind of mix, the primes all did supremely well in blending explosions and gunshots pretty accurately. Obviously some stuff are exaggerated in the movie (mortar explosions for example), but generally wow... very impressed with the movie itself.

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[QUOTE=Ben Tan;45276553]Prime atoms? Wasn't aware of any Prime Atoms speakers at all. The only upcoming speakers from SVS (that has been anonunced) are the Prime Elevations.


Yup these are what I mean. Thought these were supposed to come out in May-ish timeframe. Been radio silence.
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I've heard the following many times before, both on AVS and from SVS and other sources: listening at high SPL levels in a very small room (like my 1150 cubic feet one) is very unpleasant.

While I'm not debating that this is true, I wonder why it is the case?
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I've heard the following many times before, both on AVS and from SVS and other sources: listening at high SPL levels in a very small room (like my 1150 cubic feet one) is very unpleasant.

While I'm not debating that this is true, I wonder why it is the case?
Too much flutter echoes and slap ringing for one and at the same time, the standing waves will be too apparent. That's the nutshell of it.

But SPL is a subjective thing. One person's 100db may only be 80db to another. Of course if we're just talking in general, then yes not only that SPL over a 100db can be unpleasant when listened at an extended period of time, it will also be damaging to the ears.

For the Primes, I feel that if you push the speakers really hard, the tweeters will start to sound harsh. I'm talking over a 105db here (and at an extended period of time), the ear piercing treble can and will damage your listening.

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I've heard the following many times before, both on AVS and from SVS and other sources: listening at high SPL levels in a very small room (like my 1150 cubic feet one) is very unpleasant.

While I'm not debating that this is true, I wonder why it is the case?
Too much flutter echoes and slap ringing for one and at the same time, the standing waves will be too apparent. That's the nutshell of it.

But SPL is a subjective thing. One person's 100db may only be 80db to another. Of course if we're just talking in general, then yes not only that SPL over a 100db can be unpleasant when listened at an extended period of time, it will also be damaging to the ears.

For the Primes, I feel that if you push the speakers really hard, the tweeters will start to sound harsh. I'm talking over a 105db here (and at an extended period of time), the ear piercing treble can and will damage your listening.
What is flutter echo and slap ringing? I know what standing waves are.
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Yup these are what I mean. Thought these were supposed to come out in May-ish timeframe. Been radio silence.
I read around here a month or so ago that the Elevation speakers have been moved to late/end summer.

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What is flutter echo and slap ringing? I know what standing waves are.
In an untreated room, flutter echo will be very obvious. It's basically sound waves bouncing back and forth multiple times between the walls, ceilings and any other reflective objects. It's like shouting "Ahhh" and what comes back is "ah-ah-ah-ah...".

Slap ringing is basically a sharp pinging sound in the corners of the room. Just go to a dead corner and clap your hands up high with your palms completely flat. You'll hear the clap sound like it's "pinging" with one another.
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What is flutter echo and slap ringing? I know what standing waves are.
In an untreated room, flutter echo will be very obvious. It's basically sound waves bouncing back and forth multiple times between the walls, ceilings and any other reflective objects. It's like shouting "Ahhh" and what comes back is "ah-ah-ah-ah...".

Slap ringing is basically a sharp pinging sound in the corners of the room. Just go to a dead corner and clap your hands up high with your palms completely flat. You'll hear the clap sound like it's "pinging" with one another.
Interesting... does any of this happen around -30MV?
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Has anyone done the trade up from Prime bookshelves to the Ultras? I'm nearing my one year and i'm very tempted

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Has anyone done the trade up from Prime bookshelves to the Ultras? I'm nearing my one year and i'm very tempted
I know some have within the 45 day trial period.
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Interesting... does any of this happen around -30MV?
Hard to say, it may happen but at the same time may not be audible enough to realistically cause any audio quality degradation

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I will be at the Malaysia KL International AV Show (KLIAV) this weekend, specifically to check out the debut of the Prime Elevation speakers.

http://av2day.com/2016/07/kliavs-2016-maxx-av-to-debut/

The Prime Elevations will be in use for ACTUAL demo sequences, unlike a few months ago where it was just a display prototype in CES.

Will post up my impressions on it here after the exhibition.

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Welp, time to dust off this thread a little. It's been dead as dead can be over the last couple of weeks.

As promised, finally got to listen to the Prime Elevations over the weekend in a height configuration. As expected, they have basically the same width as the Prime sats but Elevations are just quite a bit deeper to create that wedge/slope look. Heft wise, they're definitely heavy for a "satellite" speaker, just like the Prime sats were of course. Definitely well built as we have came to know from SVS.

So how does it sound? Well; decent.
If anything, they pretty much sound like the Prime Sats. For its intended usage as height channels in Atmos/DTS:X configs, I'd say they do the job "okay-ish". The presence is there, but they don't sound very "big" or "cohesive". There's just something lacking with the Elevations.

Now in the demo room where the Elevations was in, they were placed atop 10 foot stands, hanging down like lamps. Perhaps it is the height, as there was another 3 feet of space before ceiling. As a result, the Prime Elevations sounded a bit too directional for its own good. There's a slight disconnect between the bed layers and the height channels, not significantly but enough that it is noticeable.

So at least in the room where the Elevations were in, they were a mixed bag for me. While understandable the exhibitor couldn't bring any higher stands as it wouldn't fit into the cargo lift, I just can't help but think if the Elevations were placed a little higher towards the ceiling, if they were placed a little more "centered" instead of to the sides, could it be a better experience?

I've personally done a setup where I use the Prime Satellites as height presence speakers, mounted only half a feet off the ceiling. The Prime Sats sounded fairly good in this configuration, so I know the Prime Elevations has more to offer. But then that brings me to the next important point; the price.

There is still no official confirmation of the price for the Prime Elevations yet. But if it's going to go for $350 a pair, then I don't see the reason why shouldn't people just get the Prime Satellites instead? You'd save $100 and could use that for a pair of good solid steel wall mounts instead.


For reference; the other speakers in the setup consists of Ultra Bookshelfs L/R, Ultra Center, Prime Bookshelfs as surround and a PC-13 Ultra as the sub (though dual SB-2000s were in the room as well).
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Hey guys, I know that this might be a sort of difficult question to answer but here goes.....I've noticed that my prime center sounds a bit on the "harsh" side for lack of a better term....It has pretty much always sounded like this from day one. I'm quite certain it's not the speaker itself as I had the same type of issue with my DefTech pro-center 2000 hence the reason for upgrading to the primes. I'm not sure if it has to do with some of my source material as I tend to watch some older movies sometimes. All of my front primes are set with an 80Hz crossover if that helps. Here is the breakdown of all my associated equipment.....

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I've taken many REW measurements & with the exception of some quite small peaks & nulls I really can't figure out why this is....

Again, I understand this might be difficult to answer but any suggestions would be great!!!

Thanks so much guys!!!!
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Hey guys, I know that this might be a sort of difficult question to answer but here goes.....I've noticed that my prime center sounds a bit on the "harsh" side for lack of a better term....It has pretty much always sounded like this from day one. I'm quite certain it's not the speaker itself as I had the same type of issue with my DefTech pro-center 2000 hence the reason for upgrading to the primes. I'm not sure if it has to do with some of my source material as I tend to watch some older movies sometimes. All of my front primes are set with an 80Hz crossover if that helps. Here is the breakdown of all my associated equipment.....

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I've taken many REW measurements & with the exception of some quite small peaks & nulls I really can't figure out why this is....

Again, I understand this might be difficult to answer but any suggestions would be great!!!

Thanks so much guys!!!!
I was going to make a similar post myself... my prime center can sometimes sound harsh or spitty with dialogue, though in general sounds very clear and clean. So, I wonder if it is part of the source material, (which sometimes includes BD movies).
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I was going to make a similar post myself... my prime center can sometimes sound harsh or spitty with dialogue, though in general sounds very clear and clean. So, I wonder if it is part of the source material, (which sometimes includes BD movies).

I'm glad someone else noticed this as well Plasma!!! I'm thinking it's source material related as well.
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Like i had mentioned in my original post, it had happened with my DefTech center as well so that's why I'm assuming it must be the source material...I have several hours on my Primes so I'm sure they must be broken in by now...
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Originally Posted by carminepesce View Post
Like i had mentioned in my original post, it had happened with my DefTech center as well so that's why I'm assuming it must be the source material...I have several hours on my Primes so I'm sure they must be broken in by now...
On the Ultra CC SVS said, IIRC, 20 to 40 hours... I image it would be similar on the Prime.

That said, since it sounds good on some material, it probably is source related.

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