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post #991 of 1195 Old 10-21-2016, 07:34 AM
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SVS Prime Elevation installation

After some renovations, I am rebuilding my home theater into a 7.1.4 Atmos/DTS-X setup using Prime Elevation Speakers for the Front and Rear height channels. I got the rears installed last night, and as long as you follow the included template it's not hard at all. I won't be able to wire them up until next weekend so I will post my impressions later.

This is going to be a full SVS setup. Prime Towers up front, Ultra Center, Prime Satellites for the surrounds, and a PB-13 Ultra Sub (the older 750 watt model). Everything gets powered by a Marantz SR6010 along with an Audio Source AMP100VS for the rears. It's been over a decade since I upgraded speakers so it's very exciting.
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Would it be better to use the prime elevations mounted at the top of the wall near the ceiling or place it on top of the towers up fired? The other option is to mount the sats at the top of the wall near the ceiling for atmos?
If you want sound to come from a certain area, you put the speaker there. It's not rocket science.

The sats will work too and is cheaper than the prime elevations. The elevations however does have a deeper cabinet which does give it some extra bottom end. Where the sats start to roll-off steeply after 125hz, the elevations goes down to around 100-110hz (no concrete graphs yet) before rolling off steeply.

Both sats and elevations works well for Atmos/DTSX as long as it is placed correctly.
For a frame of reference, at what frequency do the prime bookshelves start to roll off steeply?
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For a frame of reference, at what frequency do the prime bookshelves start to roll off steeply?
In my room, around 70hz. I don't have anechoic numbers though.

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In my room, it's around 85Hz. Same for my Sony bookshelves.
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After some renovations, I am rebuilding my home theater into a 7.1.4 Atmos/DTS-X setup using Prime Elevation Speakers for the Front and Rear height channels. I got the rears installed last night, and as long as you follow the included template it's not hard at all. I won't be able to wire them up until next weekend so I will post my impressions later.

This is going to be a full SVS setup. Prime Towers up front, Ultra Center, Prime Satellites for the surrounds, and a PB-13 Ultra Sub (the older 750 watt model). Everything gets powered by a Marantz SR6010 along with an Audio Source AMP100VS for the rears. It's been over a decade since I upgraded speakers so it's very exciting.





I'd love to hear how the new SVS prime Elevations worked out. How do they sound ? I'm thinking of getting them to go to a 7.1 set up.
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I just tried using the prime sats for atmos and for a quick mock up I just used them as front and rear heights place directly above the front/rear speakers. I put them at the top of the wall just below the ceiling and aimed at the MLP and was surprised how decent it sounded with overhead sounds. I watched a couple of movies with atmos/dts x which sounded good and even tried the upmixers on a few movies and all sounded good. I may try upping the top channels db by .5 or so in the avr and see if it makes a difference.
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I just tried using the prime sats for atmos and for a quick mock up I just used them as front and rear heights place directly above the front/rear speakers. I put them at the top of the wall just below the ceiling and aimed at the MLP and was surprised how decent it sounded with overhead sounds. I watched a couple of movies with atmos/dts x which sounded good and even tried the upmixers on a few movies and all sounded good. I may try upping the top channels db by .5 or so in the avr and see if it makes a difference.
Yup, like I've explained before on this thread; the prime sats are actually very good for height channel usage. Get some brackets, mount them properly and angle them optimally and you'll get an even better image from the height effects.

My prime sats are overall 1db louder than my bed layers. But this is only because the prime sats are less efficient than my front LCRs and my ceiling is nearly 11ft. high.

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I just ordered some wall mounts with adjustable arms so I can tilt them down or to the side. Should I raise mine 1 db louder? My ceiling is about 9ft tall. Thanks for your advice on the sats for atmos ben tan.
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I'm using two Prime Elevations for front heights (on front wall directly above L/R channel at ceiling height) and two Satellites for rear heights (mounted on side walls about 3' behind MLP using the wall mounts SVS sells) for a 7.1.4 setup and it sounds really good....of course it's the only Atmos setup i've ever heard so i have nothing to compare it to....i'm a happy camper though.
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Hey guys I am in Australia, and thinking about getting some primes, I have Denon floorstanding and Centre plus bookshelf with a new SVS PB2000. How would the Prime floorstanding go with the Ultra Centre and Bookshelf ? Or would I just be best served with Primes all round?

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I just ordered some wall mounts with adjustable arms so I can tilt them down or to the side. Should I raise mine 1 db louder? My ceiling is about 9ft tall. Thanks for your advice on the sats for atmos ben tan.
Hard to say. Your room size and shape also plays a factor in volume matching. Perhaps your sats would already have enough gain that you don't have to raise it anymore than your bed layer speakers.

The standard recommendation is to have all speakers volume matched, with some leeway for the center getting 1-2db more if dialogue is hard to understand. But generally, try out and see what works best in your room.


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Hey guys I am in Australia, and thinking about getting some primes, I have Denon floorstanding and Centre plus bookshelf with a new SVS PB2000. How would the Prime floorstanding go with the Ultra Centre and Bookshelf ? Or would I just be best served with Primes all round?

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I have the prime bookshelfs and ultra center. They match perfectly well to one another. Of course the Ultra center is noticeably more refined, SQ wise. So yes, the Prime towers will match with the Ultra center as well.

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Hey ben tan what did you set your crossovers for your svs sats. you are using for atmos?
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Hey ben tan what did you set your crossovers for your svs sats. you are using for atmos?
150hz.

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I have mine at 120hz so I may try 150hz to see how it sounds. I set them at 120hz since it says their freq. response is 69hz so I fig they would handle 120hz fine ?
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I have mine at 120hz so I may try 150hz to see how it sounds. I set them at 120hz since it says their freq. response is 69hz so I fig they would handle 120hz fine ?
Yes 120hz is fine.

The reason I put them at 150hz is because my sats are only mere inches away from the top of the ceiling and the side wall. 120hz was fine for me too, but I just got that slight but noticeable improvement in clarity when crossing them 30hz higher. Some may say that the 150hz xover may cause the subs to be too localizable. But due to the nature of my small-ish room and dual sub placements, this isn't really a major issue for me.

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For those who have bookshelves, can anyone recommend a bracket that can be used to mount with the keyhole bracket that comes with the speaker? I want to mount them on my ceiling and be able to adjust the angle on them, but I'm not sure which bracket to use.
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Yes 120hz is fine.

The reason I put them at 150hz is because my sats are only mere inches away from the top of the ceiling and the side wall. 120hz was fine for me too, but I just got that slight but noticeable improvement in clarity when crossing them 30hz higher. Some may say that the 150hz xover may cause the subs to be too localizable. But due to the nature of my small-ish room and dual sub placements, this isn't really a major issue for me.
Yeah I think I will stick with 120hz but when I get the second sub I will try 150hz like you. I am not sure on brackets for bookshelves mounted on the ceiling because I use the svs sats.
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I'm looking at going with the SVS Bookshelf speaker package (Center, 2 Bookshelves and 2 Satellites). My Polk Monitors have served me well but I'm starting to notice what I'm assuming is reverb (sounds like a vibration). My kids have also been complaining that they are having a hard time hearing clear dialog (they sit to the right side of the living room). I was watching a Youtube video on the SVS Ultra Center and he moved from one side of the room to the other and the dialog was still really crisp and clear. I'm thinking that the Prime Center will still be a huge step up from my CS2 and will help for everyone to hear the dialog better.

My main concern is the sensitivity of the speakers. My Polk CS2 is 90 DB while the Prime Center is 86DB. My X2300W is not the most powerful receiver and I typically turn the volume up fairly loud while watching movies (I use the volume set to 0 - 98 and play movies around 65 - 70). I don't want to have to turn the receiver up so high that it could possibly damage the speakers.

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I'm looking at going with the SVS Bookshelf speaker package (Center, 2 Bookshelves and 2 Satellites). My Polk Monitors have served me well but I'm starting to notice what I'm assuming is reverb (sounds like a vibration). My kids have also been complaining that they are having a hard time hearing clear dialog (they sit to the right side of the living room). I was watching a Youtube video on the SVS Ultra Center and he moved from one side of the room to the other and the dialog was still really crisp and clear. I'm thinking that the Prime Center will still be a huge step up from my CS2 and will help for everyone to hear the dialog better.

My main concern is the sensitivity of the speakers. My Polk CS2 is 90 DB while the Prime Center is 86DB. My X2300W is not the most powerful receiver and I typically turn the volume up fairly loud while watching movies (I use the volume set to 0 - 98 and play movies around 65 - 70). I don't want to have to turn the receiver up so high that it could possibly damage the speakers.
What you and your kids has been experiencing with poor dialogue is lobing issues.
Read this for more info - http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeak...hannel-designs
And this - http://www.audioholics.com/loudspeak...hannel-speaker

You don't experience the same issue with the Ultra Center because it inherits the superior WTMW design (3-way) vs the traditional standard of 2 way (MTM) design. This is why you can walk to either sides of the room and dialogue is still locked right there in the center.

The Prime Center will indeed be a significant upgrade to your Polk CS2 in that regards. Of course, it isn't as good as the Ultra Center in terms of dynamics, low/high-end as well as transparency.

To answer your last question, you are right that the Primes are a little on the in-efficient side. However the Primes are very built speakers, your X2300w cannot and will not be able to damage them even if you run at maximum volume. The Prime speakers has much higher power handling than your X2300w can muster out of its amp.

The Prime Bookshelf package (CC + BS + Sats) is a good package. But if you can, I'd suggest contacting SVS and see if they can give you a deal on subbing out the Prime Center for the Ultra Center. Not saying the Prime isn't good (it is), it's just that the center channel is just pretty much the most critical speaker for movies, you might as well go all out on that.
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My receiver at max volume could still probably damage the speakers since it will not be clean power, that being said I don't listen to them at max volume. With my Polk Audio's (90db sensitivity), I watch movies at -15db. I'm curious to see what I'll need to listen to the SVS's at to reach the same volume, surely it's not as simple as -11db, since there is a 4db difference in the sensitivity. I guess we'll find out.

I went ahead and ordered the Prime center, bookshelves and satellites. With the Ultra center being twice as much I want to give the Prime center a try for a while. Worst case scenario, I'll upgrade to the Ultra within the first year if I feel that it is necessary.

I have read others state they heard a huge difference when switching from the speakers that I have to the SVS Prime series, I anticipate a rather large upgrade.

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Yeah mudfrog I think you will like the upgrade to svs and like ben said the ultra center is the way to go but I went with the prime center because I did not have the room for the bigger ultra center or I would went with it. The good thing is the prime has been good so far with clear dialogue and with my old speakers (AJ pioneers) I would have to turn the center up a few db's but I noticed with the prime center I don't really need to.
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I really like my prime center and bookshelf mains, they have a very clear and transparent sound, especially with BD movies and with music.

Sometimes I wonder about the ultras being better, but the price difference is too much for me, especially considering that the primes were already a bit of a stretch on budget at the time of purchase when I was also considering less expensive alternatives.

Plus, if I had the ultras, I would probably be wondering about the next level up...

As for running an AVR at max volume that can damage both the speakers and your ears, since the amp will be soft clipping at some point and hard clipping further in the volume range. Hard clipping would be sending distortion to the speakers, especially the tweeters and would also be uncomfortable to the ears as would very high spl.

I personally would not crank an AVR past 0MV even for compression sweeps and in regular listening -15MV or lower would be better.
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My receiver at max volume could still probably damage the speakers since it will not be clean power, that being said I don't listen to them at max volume. With my Polk Audio's (90db sensitivity), I watch movies at -15db. I'm curious to see what I'll need to listen to the SVS's at to reach the same volume, surely it's not as simple as -11db, since there is a 4db difference in the sensitivity. I guess we'll find out.

I went ahead and ordered the Prime center, bookshelves and satellites. With the Ultra center being twice as much I want to give the Prime center a try for a while. Worst case scenario, I'll upgrade to the Ultra within the first year if I feel that it is necessary.

I have read others state they heard a huge difference when switching from the speakers that I have to the SVS Prime series, I anticipate a rather large upgrade.
Good choice then! Hope you enjoy your new Primes.

You have to also take account for room gain. Like you said, it's not as simple as swapping new speakers in and instantly you add +4db to compensate for volume loss. Looking forward to hear back on your impressions.

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Yeah mudfrog I think you will like the upgrade to svs and like ben said the ultra center is the way to go but I went with the prime center because I did not have the room for the bigger ultra center or I would went with it. The good thing is the prime has been good so far with clear dialogue and with my old speakers (AJ pioneers) I would have to turn the center up a few db's but I noticed with the prime center I don't really need to.
I have plenty of room for the center, my CS2 is actually larger than the Prime Center. It's right around the same size as the Ultra. Unfortunately it's the cost that justified the Prime to me. Since I'll only be running my front stage at either 60hz or 80hz, the prime should not have any issues. It's my understanding that the Ultra's primarily play lower, although I read that SVS commented there was not a significant difference between the Prime and Ultras.

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Good choice then! Hope you enjoy your new Primes.

You have to also take account for room gain. Like you said, it's not as simple as swapping new speakers in and instantly you add +4db to compensate for volume loss. Looking forward to hear back on your impressions.
I'm sure I'll love them, they should be here tomorrow

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I really like my prime center and bookshelf mains, they have a very clear and transparent sound, especially with BD movies and with music.

Sometimes I wonder about the ultras being better, but the price difference is too much for me, especially considering that the primes were already a bit of a stretch on budget at the time of purchase when I was also considering less expensive alternatives.

Plus, if I had the ultras, I would probably be wondering about the next level up...

As for running an AVR at max volume that can damage both the speakers and your ears, since the amp will be soft clipping at some point and hard clipping further in the volume range. Hard clipping would be sending distortion to the speakers, especially the tweeters and would also be uncomfortable to the ears as would very high spl.

I personally would not crank an AVR past 0MV even for compression sweeps and in regular listening -15MV or lower would be better.
By 0MV are you referring to reference level? I typically watch movies at -15db, occasionally -10db if the movie seems quieter than usual.

On a side note, another BIC F12 came up for sale locally, snagged it for $90, what a huge upgrade going from a single sub to dual subs. Eventually I'll pick up a pair of SVS's but for now, I'm very very happy with the dual F12's.

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Sound awesome mudfrog with getting new speaker setup plus having 2 subs, you will be enjoying some new sound with your movies/music.
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Hello,

what is the experience of the group in regards to distance from rear wall and toe-in for the Prime Towers

i find the highs a little sharp or bright having my towers pointed at the main listening position but loses its 3d effect a little when i have them on axis.

seems something in the middle so i'll have to trial and error.

just wondering how the other tower owners have them placed.

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what is the experience of the group in regards to distance from rear wall and toe-in for the Prime Towers

i find the highs a little sharp or bright having my towers pointed at the main listening position but loses its 3d effect a little when i have them on axis.

seems something in the middle so i'll have to trial and error.

just wondering how the other tower owners have them placed.

Thanks,
Have you had them long? I heard they are a little bright at first, but once broken in they smooth out.
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Have you had them long? I heard they are a little bright at first, but once broken in they smooth out.
yeah i've had them about a year, so they are well broken in.

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Hello,

what is the experience of the group in regards to distance from rear wall and toe-in for the Prime Towers

i find the highs a little sharp or bright having my towers pointed at the main listening position but loses its 3d effect a little when i have them on axis.

seems something in the middle so i'll have to trial and error.

just wondering how the other tower owners have them placed.

Thanks,
Don't have the towers, but have the bookshelfs instead. I only have them toe'd in about 10 degrees, it's just very slight from straight on-axis. Imaging is still dead-locked in the center for stereo content, yet the tweeters aren't as edgy as they would if toe'd in directly into the MLP.

The Primes do have a brighter than average sound relative to other speakers in their price range though, it's how they are designed. It's still not Klipsch bright however (even in comparison to their RP series).

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Don't have the towers, but have the bookshelfs instead. I only have them toe'd in about 10 degrees, it's just very slight from straight on-axis. Imaging is still dead-locked in the center for stereo content, yet the tweeters aren't as edgy as they would if toe'd in directly into the MLP.

The Primes do have a brighter than average sound relative to other speakers in their price range though, it's how they are designed. It's still not Klipsch bright however (even in comparison to their RP series).
Thanks for the input, i have them ever so slightly toed in now and it is less fatiguing.

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