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12B4A 03-06-2015 06:09 AM

Valentin, in the Audio Heritage thread linked previously posted a link to Dale Pro Audio's 7 Series packages. Here's the basics:

2.0 705i system w/amp: $3222
5.1 705i system w/amp-sub: $10602
2.0 708i system w/amp: $4848
5.1 708i system w/amp-2 subs: $16747

I'm struggling to understand why an amp and in some cases a sub purchase is required for these line of speakers.

Zzzzz... 03-06-2015 04:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 12B4A (Post 32374873)
Valentin, in the Audio Heritage thread linked previously posted a link to Dale Pro Audio's 7 Series packages. Here's the basics:

2.0 705i system w/amp: $3222
5.1 705i system w/amp-sub: $10602
2.0 708i system w/amp: $4848
5.1 708i system w/amp-2 subs: $16747

I'm struggling to understand why an amp and in some cases a sub purchase is required for these line of speakers.

Thanks for posting this. With the amps, they are certainly not cheap. It will be interesting to see how the market reacts to these prices.

I would be pretty surprised if it will not be possible to purchase the speakers without amps or subs - perhaps if not initially then at a later date.

12B4A 03-07-2015 03:52 PM

It looks like Full Compass has them priced individually. The pricing seems to be consistent with Dale Pro's prices when you back out ~$1800 for the amp:
705i: $687.50
708i: $1500

Hugo S 03-08-2015 04:44 AM

Hi,

EUropean catalogue prices :

LSR705i : 699€
LSR708i : 1499€

http://www.sonovente.com/recherche/?r=jbl+lsr

Hugo

Gooddoc 03-08-2015 04:14 PM

Next week I'll be listening to a 7 series atmos setup.

Should be interesting.

Zzzzz... 03-08-2015 10:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooddoc (Post 32446050)
Next week I'll be listening to a 7 series atmos setup.

Should be interesting.

Awesome! Will you be able to play some of your own demo material, ie stuff that you are already familiar with?

Gooddoc 03-09-2015 07:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Zzzzz... (Post 32452746)
Awesome! Will you be able to play some of your own demo material, ie stuff that you are already familiar with?

Unlikely, it's at a studio and probably specific demo material. Dolby and JBL will be there.

SyntheticShrimp 03-09-2015 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooddoc (Post 32458986)
Unlikely, it's at a studio and probably specific demo material. Dolby and JBL will be there.

Would you mind asking for some Spin-o-rama plots of the new speakers?

Zzzzz... 03-09-2015 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gooddoc (Post 32458986)
Unlikely, it's at a studio and probably specific demo material. Dolby and JBL will be there.

I see. If you get a chance to ask, I'd be keen to know if they are tweaking the anechoic response of the speakers. Should be a great demo.

Gooddoc 03-09-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SyntheticShrimp (Post 32462682)
Would you mind asking for some Spin-o-rama plots of the new speakers?

For sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zzzzz... (Post 32476354)
I see. If you get a chance to ask, I'd be keen to know if they are tweaking the anechoic response of the speakers. Should be a great demo.

Z, what do you mean by "tweaking the anechoic response"? Are you asking if it's active or passive crossover?

Zzzzz... 03-09-2015 06:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooddoc (Post 32477329)
Z, what do you mean by "tweaking the anechoic response"? Are you asking if it's active or passive crossover?

I was wondering if they use PEQ to modify the speaker response so that it is flatter in an anechoic environment - just like they do with the M2s. Now that you mention it, I would also be interested in whether the demo used active or passive crossovers and more generally in JBL's thoughts on using active vs passive crossovers in these speakers. Ultimately I'm wondering if paying for the electronics in addition to the speakers would have an audible effect. No doubt that JBL will say yes :D but it might still be interesting to hear what they say about the matter. I'm sure they'd like to sell as many speakers as possible, with or without associated amps and DSP.

Gooddoc 03-09-2015 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Zzzzz... (Post 32479505)
I was wondering if they use PEQ to modify the speaker response so that it is flatter in an anechoic environment - just like they do with the M2s. Now that you mention it, I would also be interested in whether the demo used active or passive crossovers and more generally in JBL's thoughts on using active vs passive crossovers in these speakers. Ultimately I'm wondering if paying for the electronics in addition to the speakers would have an audible effect. No doubt that JBL will say yes :D but it might still be interesting to hear what they say about the matter. I'm sure they'd like to sell as many speakers as possible, with or without associated amps and DSP.

Got it. If active I can't see any reason they wouldn't use PEQ on the anechoic response where directivity is constant and the power response parallels the on-axis frequency response. It makes zero sense not to. But I will certainly ask :).

As to passive vs. active, I'm very interested in that question as well. I'm also interested in the role the separate BSS processor plays compared to simply using the DCi amp DSP?

12B4A 03-09-2015 08:24 PM

Might also be nice to ask them if there is a factory that is actually producing these speakers and if they ever intend to sell them. :devil:

Ellebob 03-09-2015 08:44 PM

Active has advantages over passive without a doubt. The advantages are less distortion, decreased attack time, custom crossover integration by using DSP instead of passive components, better speaker protection from being overdriven. The disadvantage is cost in both design and set up. Active requires getting a signal and power to each speaker or multiple speaker wires if the amps are outside the speaker, passive only requires a speaker wire. With that being said it still comes down to design. There are some excellent passive speakers and mediocre active speakers and vice versa. However, if there is the same speaker in active and passive versions I will take the active speaker. But, things are rarely that simple.

audio0947 03-10-2015 07:51 AM

I would be interested in knowing if these monitors even have passive crossovers, I assume not although I would love to be wrong. I can certainly attest to the awesomeness of the passive LSR6332, if you can stand the simple boxy look they are fantastic speakers for medium to large home environments.

guy80 03-10-2015 10:50 AM

I'm eager to read reviews on these (I'm sure the JBL/Dolby demo will be great no matter). Hopefully a local dealer will have some in stock so I can contrast them to the Studio 500 series & 3 series (LSR)

Zzzzz... 03-10-2015 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by audio0947 (Post 32491257)
I would be interested in knowing if these monitors even have passive crossovers, I assume not although I would love to be wrong. I can certainly attest to the awesomeness of the passive LSR6332, if you can stand the simple boxy look they are fantastic speakers for medium to large home environments.

They do indeed have passive crossovers. See the 4th paragraph of

http://harmanprogroup.blogspot.com.a...roduces-7.html

"The 705i and 708i can be driven by a single amp channel or bi-amplified."


BTW, do you own some 6332s?

audio0947 03-10-2015 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zzzzz... (Post 32504433)
They do indeed have passive crossovers. See the 4th paragraph of

http://harmanprogroup.blogspot.com.a...roduces-7.html

"The 705i and 708i can be driven by a single amp channel or bi-amplified."


BTW, do you own some 6332s?

Cool, ill have to keep an eye on these. Yep, I have 3 6332's and love them.

12B4A 03-10-2015 03:22 PM

Goofy in the Audio Heritage thread reported that retailers won't see these until May. :eek:

Zzzzz... 03-10-2015 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by audio0947 (Post 32505017)
Cool, ill have to keep an eye on these. Yep, I have 3 6332's and love them.

Great stuff. If you get a chance to hear the 7 series speakers, do let us know how you find them in comparison to the 6332s.

Goophy 03-11-2015 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by 12B4A (Post 32505241)
Goofy in the Audio Heritage thread reported that retailers won't see these until May. :eek:

I should have specified that I'm in Europe, but we usually get the JBL Pro stuff at about the same time.

Zzzzz... 03-18-2015 03:51 PM

Some impressions from a poster on Gearslutz:

These really are extraordinary!

12B4A 03-19-2015 02:35 PM

I've been going back and forth with a salesman for a JBL retailer and it definitely seems JBL doesn't want to sell these as speakers on their own. Given no impedance or sensitivity rating has been published for these coupled with JBL pushing for bundling them with an overbuilt amp and processor, it makes me wonder if there is something unusual going on electroacoustically that cannot be handled without dumping a lot of power in to the box and/or pulse shaping.

Zzzzz... 03-19-2015 03:44 PM

^^^ Perhaps that's another question Gooddoc can ask JBL at his upcoming listen....

Gooddoc 03-19-2015 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Zzzzz... (Post 32762737)
^^^ Perhaps that's another question Gooddoc can ask JBL at his upcoming listen....

Nope, not going to happen. It was last Friday and I was hammered by the flu so I couldn't make it.

Zzzzz... 03-19-2015 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooddoc (Post 32763801)
Nope, not going to happen. It was last Friday and I was hammered by the flu so I couldn't make it.

Ahh, that's too bad - was really looking forward to reading your impressions, as I'm sure others were. Hope you feel better soon.

beastaudio 03-20-2015 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Gooddoc (Post 32763801)
Nope, not going to happen. It was last Friday and I was hammered so I couldn't make it.

There, I fixed it for you ^^^^ NOW do you wish you had taken the flu shot? :D Haha

Gooddoc 03-20-2015 07:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by beastaudio (Post 32774785)
There, I fixed it for you ^^^^ NOW do you wish you had taken the flu shot? :D Haha

No. I don't do flu shots. Besides, they've already figured out that they totally missed the prevalent strain this year. So flu shots were basically worthless for most. Haha! Suckers! :D

I have my reasons for not wanting it. For healthy, young folks like us the only reason they want you to get the flu shot is for financial reasons, not because it's the best thing for you. Because it's not.

beastaudio 03-20-2015 08:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gooddoc (Post 32776825)
No. I don't do flu shots. Besides, they've already figured out that they totally missed the prevalent strain this year. So flu shots were basically worthless for most. Haha! Suckers! :D

I have my reasons for not wanting it. For healthy, young folks like us the only reason they want you to get the flu shot is for financial reasons, not because it's the best thing for you. Because it's not.

Yes of course. We had this conversation at Rilla's so it thought it slightly funny that you ended up with it. I haven't taken a flu shot but one year, and that year I got the flu. I haven't had one since....Regardless, sorry you were too hammered to make the JBL thing.

Gooddoc 03-20-2015 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by beastaudio (Post 32777705)
Yes of course. We had this conversation at Rilla's so it thought it slightly funny that you ended up with it. I haven't taken a flu shot but one year, and that year I got the flu. I haven't had one since....Regardless, sorry you were too hammered to make the JBL thing.

That's right, I forgot we talked about that!

I've only got one thing to say to the flu...Bring It!! :D


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