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Distance is the determining factor as each doubling of distance is a drop by about -6db.
Outdoors or in an anechoic chamber. Not in a small room. The falloff in a small room is much, much less.

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Outdoors or in an anechoic chamber. Not in a small room. The falloff in a small room is much, much less.
True. But you would not want an overly live room for studio monitors. So perhaps not "much,much less" but reflections do increase total sound power.
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***you would not want an overly live room for studio monitors.
What's the basis for that assertion? They're just speakers. If anything, a narrower pattern requires a more live room to increase spaciousness.

But the bottom line is that such SPL falloff "calculations" are stupid, because they simply do not apply to small rooms (as defined in acoustics, i.e. the rooms in our homes).

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Harman sales manager working at Northridge, CA location.
Thanks.

That would seem like a pretty reliable source, no? Why the uncertainty in your prior post?

Anyway, an active version sounds interesting. I wonder how performance and pricing will differ? I suppose ideally performance will be exactly the same but I suppose the active versions will be larger to accommodate the amps.
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Thanks.

That would seem like a pretty reliable source, no? Why the uncertainty in your prior post?

Anyway, an active version sounds interesting. I wonder how performance and pricing will differ? I suppose ideally performance will be exactly the same but I suppose the active versions will be larger to accommodate the amps.
Obviously larger... but then if the amps are housed in a kind of optional add-on box to a "regular" 705i/708i, that would be a great... idea...

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Obviously larger... but then if the amps are housed in a kind of optional add-on box to a "regular" 705i/708i, that would be a great... idea...

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That's already how it is. You just bypass the crossovers and run them active from the DCI amps. It just takes twice as many channels from the amp.
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Thanks.

That would seem like a pretty reliable source, no? Why the uncertainty in your prior post?

Anyway, an active version sounds interesting. I wonder how performance and pricing will differ? I suppose ideally performance will be exactly the same but I suppose the active versions will be larger to accommodate the amps.
Sorry, I should have clarified: I have no doubts the source is reliable, but anything could happen between now and the end of the year. Any uncertainty I have relates to the timing.

I think it's safe to assume that the performance will be at least identical, if not slightly better than the current 705/708 run passively. There shouldn't be any difference when compared to the current 7 series run actively via bi-amping from a Crown amp.

Price is an unknown, but I can't imagine it would be more expensive than buying the current 7 series with a 4 channel Crown DCI amp.

Only time will tell for size as well.
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I really have to ask: are they even at the point of producing and selling the passives at market quantity level? It's a good chance I haven't looked in the right spots but I've not seen any product owner reports.

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I really have to ask: are they even at the point of producing and selling the passives at market quantity level? It's a good chance I haven't looked in the right spots but I've not seen any product owner reports.
There are no consumer owners at this point. All of the production has been allocated to the professional market up till now.

Why production numbers are so low is an unknown, or at least my dealer's not saying if he knows.
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What's the basis for that assertion? They're just speakers. If anything, a narrower pattern requires a more live room to increase spaciousness.

But the bottom line is that such SPL falloff "calculations" are stupid, because they simply do not apply to small rooms (as defined in acoustics, i.e. the rooms in our homes).
True that sound SPL is higher in small rooms in reality than outside or in anechoic chambers, making the issue possibly less in terms of lack of SPL output from the speakers. I agree on that.

But the rating is important because it gives you measurement basis to compare speakers and get a realistic sense of their capability and performance. Using an in room measurement is less ideal because all rooms are different. Measure it anechoic, and let the room be the room.

I would not want my SPL rating based on reflections either.

But JBL does a wonderful job with their graphs, directivity index, and measurement system. They consider on axis, off axis, listening window, total sound power... Kudos to them. The info is there for a consumer to make an informed decision. I can't hammer on JBL at all, they are way better than most speaker makers.
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But the rating is important because it gives you measurement basis to compare speakers and get a realistic sense of their capability and performance. Using an in room measurement is less ideal because all rooms are different. Measure it anechoic, and let the room be the room.
The only result from that approach is pointless over-specification.

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But JBL does a wonderful job with their graphs, directivity index, and measurement system. They consider on axis, off axis, listening window, total sound power... Kudos to them. The info is there for a consumer to make an informed decision.***
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Sorry, I should have clarified: I have no doubts the source is reliable, but anything could happen between now and the end of the year. Any uncertainty I have relates to the timing.

I think it's safe to assume that the performance will be at least identical, if not slightly better than the current 705/708 run passively. There shouldn't be any difference when compared to the current 7 series run actively via bi-amping from a Crown amp.

Price is an unknown, but I can't imagine it would be more expensive than buying the current 7 series with a 4 channel Crown DCI amp.

Only time will tell for size as well.
Thanks for clarifying. I'm usually reasonably patient but I'm finding the wait for these hard
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Just got off the phone with my dealer. No ETA on them. They're "just not available" is the best he could do.
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I think we'll only see them in their powered form later this next year.

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... also my feeling...

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My dealer has a 5.1 demo setup that has 5 705's and a stereo pair of the 708's. He's referring to them as "pre-production models". He said I could come listen anytime but I really don't see the point of listening to speakers that I can't buy.

As much as I've wanted these, I'm going to have to go another direction soon if they're not released.
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My dealer has a 5.1 demo setup that has 5 705's and a stereo pair of the 708's. He's referring to them as "pre-production models". He said I could come listen anytime but I really don't see the point of listening to speakers that I can't buy.

As much as I've wanted these, I'm going to have to go another direction soon if they're not released.
Did he say how they differed from the production models? I live in Australia and, compared to parts of the US, it's not so easy to hear new audio gear (or older gear for that matter). I'd love to have the opportunity to hear these. If you do decided to hear them, I and I'm sure many others would really enjoy hearing what you thought of them.
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I can understand why the M2 needs a external amp/crossover, but what I don't understand why JBL couldn't just with throw in a internal amp/crossover here with a switch to bypass them completely if one wants to go passive. It's a trivial task compared to designing the rest of the speaker and you get the best of both worlds.
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Did he say how they differed from the production models? I live in Australia and, compared to parts of the US, it's not so easy to hear new audio gear (or older gear for that matter). I'd love to have the opportunity to hear these. If you do decided to hear them, I and I'm sure many others would really enjoy hearing what you thought of them.
I don't think there are any differences, but I can't say for sure. As I said, until they are available for purchase I'm not going to bother. My dealer is a couple hours away, so it's not super convenient.
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I can understand why the M2 needs a external amp/crossover, but what I don't understand why JBL couldn't just with throw in a internal amp/crossover here with a switch to bypass them completely if one wants to go passive. It's a trivial task compared to designing the rest of the speaker and you get the best of both worlds.
There is a switch to run them passive or active.
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I don't think there are any differences, but I can't say for sure. As I said, until they are available for purchase I'm not going to bother. My dealer is a couple hours away, so it's not super convenient.


There is a switch to run them passive or active.
Wow. I did not know the M2's could be run as passive. That's great.
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Wow. I did not know the M2's could be run as passive. That's great.
Sorry, I was talking about the 7 series

No switch on the M2, but yeah, they could have done it for sure.
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Mfusick pointed out that Sean Olive posted some semi-internal pictures of the 705 on his twitter account on 6/30.

https://twitter.com/seanolive/status/616099080138141696

I get this feeling we're going to see more substantial info about and availability of the 7 series in the next few months.

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Mfusick pointed out that Sean Olive posted some semi-internal pictures of the 705 on his twitter account on 6/30.

https://twitter.com/seanolive/status/616099080138141696

I get this feeling we're going to see more substantial info about and availability of the 7 series in the next few months.
It looked like he was sitting through a training on the technology- the nitty gritty of the waveguides, the compression drivers, that sort of thing. One or two of the engineers were doing the powerpoint. The speaker is done, I think you'll see it hit soon. Knowing what I do about how JBL designs these, and what they did with the LSR and M2 I would expect it to be an excellent performer too.
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I can understand why the M2 needs a external amp/crossover, but what I don't understand why JBL couldn't just with throw in a internal amp/crossover here with a switch to bypass them completely if one wants to go passive. It's a trivial task compared to designing the rest of the speaker and you get the best of both worlds.

It could be for the same reason the seasons are run active only? I'm sure the engineer that built it wants you to experience it the way it was meant to in his mind. When you start throwing in your own processing and such, it could very well throw the balance out the window.
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LSR308i's will tide me over

I can't justify the cost & amplifier real estate requirements of the M2's and so the active 708i's look to be the item for me.

I am trying to be minimalist - just a headless Mac-Mini and iFi dac driving a pair of active speakers.

While my love for the 308i grows every day, I still lust for the active 708i's and hope they come with some kind of remote for volume control...

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Most of these specs are probably published in a variety of different places, but I figured it would be nice to have them compiled here. These come directly from JBL. I am told that the spinorama response plots will be posted on the JBL website within the next couple of weeks. I will try to get ahold of them as soon as they are formatted for release to the public. Note: These apply only to the passive models.

JBL 7 Series Master Reference Monitors Specifications
Model Name: LSR705i


• Crossover: 1900 Hz LR6 Acoustic
• Frequency Response
o -1.5dB/48Hz–23kHz
• Lower Extension
o [email protected]
o [email protected]
• Upper Extension
o -10 dB @ 36kHz
• Waveguide Dispersion (Horizontal/Vertical): 110 degrees x 90 degrees
• Max SPL (Measurement Conditions: 4 Pi Anechoic, Pink Noise 6dB Crest Factor, Full Range)
o >= 101 dB Continuos @ 1m
o >= 107 dB Peak @1m
• LF Transducer: 725G 5-Inch Impedance: 4 ohms
• HF Transducer: 2409H 1-inch compression driver Impedance: 8 ohms • System minimum impedance: 4 ohms
• Sensitivity (4 Pi, 2.83V @1m): 88 dB
• Port: Front firing
• Connections:
o Single Wire Connection: Euro-block terminal 1 ea. 2 pin. Accepts 12 gauge
speaker wire, maximum diameter.
o Bi Amplified Connection: Euro-block terminal, 1 ea. 6 pin. Accepts 12 gauge
speaker wire, maximum diameter.
• Recommended Amplifier Power: 250 Watts 32 VRMS into 4. Ohms
• Enclosure Material: Birch Plywood
• Finish: Black Lacquer
• Dimensions (H x W x D), Inches: 10.6 x 5.9 x 8.13 (D = 8.6 including connector) • Internal Volume: 4.6 Liters (Net)
• Weight 9.0 lb. 4.08 kg
• Grille: Non removable. Perforated steel with >60% open area
• Mounting Points
o 3 surfaces: Top, Bottom and Rear:
o Two-Hole pattern, 2.69” on center. M6 Metric Thread
o Maximum Screw Length: 3⁄4 inch plus thickness of mounting plate
JBL 7 Series Master Reference Monitors Specifications
Model Name: LSR708i


• Crossover: 1700 Hz LR6 Acoustic
• Frequency Response
o -1.5dB/45Hz–23kHz
• Lower Extension
o -3.0 dB @ 41.2 Hz
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• Upper Extension
o -10dB @ 36kHz
• Waveguide Dispersion (Horizontal/Vertical): 100 degrees x 90 degrees
• Max SPL (Measurement Conditions: 4 Pi Anechoic, Pink Noise 6dB Crest Factor, Full Range)
o >= 108 dB Continuous @1m
o >= 114 dB Peak
• LF Transducer: 728G 8-inch Impedance: 4 ohms
• HF Transducer: 2409H 1-inch compression driver Impedance: 8 ohms • System minimum impedance: 4 ohms
• Sensitivity (4 Pi, 2.83V @1m): 88dB
• Port: Front firing
• Connections:
o Single Wire Connection: Euro-block terminal 1 ea. 2 pin. Accepts 12 gauge
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o Bi Amplified Connection: Euro-block terminal, 1 ea. 6 pin. Accepts 12 gauge
speaker wire, maximum diameter.
• Recommended Amplifier Power: 250 Watts 32 VRMS into 4. Ohms
• Enclosure Material: Birch Plywood
• Finish: Black Lacquer
• Dimensions (H x W x D), Inches: 17.25 x 9.75 x 11.25 (D=11.75” including connector) • Internal Volume: 19 Liters (Net)
• Weight: 25.2 lb. 11.3 kg
• Grille: Non removable. Perforated steel with >60% open area
• Mounting Points:
o 3 surfaces: Top, Bottom and Rear:
o Four-Hole pattern, 4.25” x 2” M8 Metric Thread
o Maximum Screw Length: 3⁄4 inch plus thickness of mounting plate

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Looking forward to the plots!

Sensitivity seems to be a bit on the low side...
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Is it possible to get powered versions of these speakers/monitors?
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Is it possible to get powered versions of these speakers/monitors?
This was discussed in a previous post, but yes, these will eventually be available as powered monitors. End of this year is the word as of now.
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