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No, I can absolutely tell when there's pans from Center to L/R (708 to M2). It's not seamless. I don't agree with John. They match really well as surrounds/atmos, but I'm with GD on wanting an M2 center some day.
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Agreed, but I am still curious to know the amp replacement costs. I have had class D amps fail in other devices, so it does happen. However, I agree its not common. It's just a curiosity issue vs failure paranoia. Either way, I bought three of the 708p today for my L/C/R. @John Schuermann will probably fall out his chair when he reads that I bought 708s.
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The first three 708ps showed up yesterday. I got the XLR cables run and everything powered up for a quick test. When I say quick, I mean a complete swag on levels with zero sub integration other than "yeah that sounds pretty close" with test tones. Simply put, I was amazed. I have missed my 4722's since they left my home. The 4722s (upgraded CD) were my favorite speakers to date, but we changed the layout of the room which put the listener to close for the 4722s to image properly. The speakers I replaced them with just left me feeling *meh*. Good speakers but not in the same league as the 4722.

I can honestly say, without hesitation, that I wont miss them anymore. The 708 is smoother up top with less bite, while still providing that edginess of a live brass horn. I could hear the wooden drum stick on the cymbal and hear the nuances of the bass player's fingers as he plucked the strings. They don't sound like the typical compression driver speaker. Imaging was off the charts. I felt the performer was right in front of me - beside me even. It had the presence of multi-channel audio. My side treatments are not up and the bare walls added a depth and realism I haven't experienced in that room. I will eventually dial the system in with Dirac Live, but I don't think I am going to treat the first reflections anymore. I really liked the presentation without them, which is surprising. It must be the secret sauce of the new JBL wave-guide/CD combo because the 4722 needed those first points treated. I also felt the sound-stage collapsed a bit with the L/R 4722s behind the screen. This forced me to have them outside the scree, which kills the "black hole" presentation during movies. The screen would light up the speakers causing distraction. The 708s just open up behind the screen beautifully. This may have been caused by the larger width of the 4722 vs the smaller 708. The three 4722's were almost touching each other. Either way, I can have my speakers behind screen now - big plus. The only gripe on that topic is the idiot who thought it was a good idea to put a LED light on the front of the speaker Thank goodness for gaffer tape. As far as output is concerned, I pushed them to the levels I normally "demo at" and they didn't break a sweat.

I could ramble on and on, but I will wrap it up. In summary, I am still a bit shocked at these speakers. I owe and @Mfusick and @John Schuermann a public apology. I was terse, dismissive, and rude in multiple conversations about the 7 series compared to the 4722 with the upgraded CDs. In my own arrogance, I even dismissed JBL engineers that stated the 708 was better suited for home theater applications. I fell into the pit of "defending what I own" mentality. I still think the 4722 is a tremendous speaker at it's price point for those who have the space for it and need the output. However, the 708 is more refined and elegant sounding. I hope you guys (and others) accept my apology.

I am now seriously eyeballing the M2, but from what I have read the differences are very minimal when the 708s are crossed to subs. No doubt they are better, but are we in the realm of quick diminishing returns between the two if additional output isn't required?
I am VERY happy to read this review. It is a very similar reaction to mine when I made the switch. Several folks told me that the tiny speakers wouldn't hold there own vs. the 4722's, but for my room and listening distance...they are great!

That all being said. Like you, I have been wondering what the bigger driver, 12" or 15" would bring to the table. Also like you, I am running dual 24's and three 18's in my room......so who knows! lol
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I'm dying for a center M2 as well. I love my M2's, I'd part with my car before my speakers. I just got a new house so a dedicated theater room is in the plans. That's where a center M2 will come into play along with a trinnov altitude 16, JVC RS3000 and some new subs. I dream big, I know
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Altitude 16 or SDP75?
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I just finished a viewing of the "The Incredible's 2" with my wife.

We watch it at a relatively moderate volume level....but boy did it sound good.

All my DSS subs were doing their part and playing very nice with the 708's.
After doing a bunch of demoing this past week of different speakers, including the 4419's and 4367's, it is still pretty amazing how well these guys do for their size and output.

I am going to wonder how either the 4419 or 4367 would sound in my room, fully integrated with my subs. My guess is that I would be good with the 12" driver in the 4419, but the 4367's would be even nicer.

Guess time will tell on what I do.
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I am completely confused. I thought it has been said that there is no replacement for displacement.

I am glad you are digging the 708s, but I doubt you will find to many M2s on the used market to upgrade to. They seem to be the pinnacle for the time being. What would a studio or HT owner move to?

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Altitude most likely. It does everything I need and then some. I have all the Crown amps with the necessary processing in them for the M2's/708's.
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I am completely confused. I thought it has been said that there is no replacement for displacement.

I am glad you are digging the 708s, but I doubt you will find to many M2s on the used market to upgrade to. They seem to be the pinnacle for the time being. What would a studio or HT owner move to?

There is always the Revel Salon2 vs JBL M2 debate. I assume you have seen this:https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...ever-made.html
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I am curious if given the choice between a 708/sub comb for "x" price vs the M2 at "ouch" price would they have made the same choice. The M2 had no competition that was "close" when it landed.

Either way, I will probably be on the lookout for some used M2s. If the price is right, I will bite. If paying retail, I am close enough with the 708s
The JBL VTX-F12 sort of fits in between the 708 and M2...D2 driver up top 12" differential drive on the bottom. Looks perfect except the stage monitor cabinet shape looks funky.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/t...ries/f12#Specs

Somebody here should try a pair or one as a center channel
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There is always the Revel Salon2 vs JBL M2 debate. I assume you have seen this:https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-sp...ever-made.html
I read it for awhile till the distortion became to great. I did enjoy reading some of the info from Floyd and others, which is why I glance in and out now.


By the way, did we meet at Cedia? John introduced me to a couple of people at the Samsung party, but I don't recall their names. I was with Kris Deering and Darinp.

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No, I can absolutely tell when there's pans from Center to L/R (708 to M2). It's not seamless. I don't agree with John. They match really well as surrounds/atmos, but I'm with GD on wanting an M2 center some day.
Where are you crossing over? Could that play into the seamless transition such that a higher crossover may be more seamless?
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The JBL VTX-F12 sort of fits in between the 708 and M2...D2 driver up top 12" differential drive on the bottom. Looks perfect except the stage monitor cabinet shape looks funky.

http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/t...ries/f12#Specs

Somebody here should try a pair or one as a center channel
I would give it a shot,,,
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Apart from physical differences, it is most likely is a phase thing. While phase in the absolute sense in a loudspeaker is a non-issue as long as the drivers sum correctly, if the phase inbetween an LCR front stage does not line up - it may be audible. Especially since we’re very sensitive to what happens up front.
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I read it for awhile till the distortion became to great. I did enjoy reading some of the info from Floyd and others, which is why I glance in and out now.
By the way, did we meet at Cedia? John introduced me to a couple of people at the Samsung party, but I don't recall their names. I was with Kris Deering and Darinp.
Unfortunately, I was not able to make it to CEDIA. I had planned to go and things came up at the last minute. Hope we get a chance to meet at some point in the future!
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If anyone is looking to jump into the 708p's, I have three of them for sale in the classifieds.
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Where are you crossing over? Could that play into the seamless transition such that a higher crossover may be more seamless?
No, the front three are all crossed over the same. I've tried both 80 and 100 hz.

You could likely argue that the way I have them set up that floor bounce due to the difference in the vertical height of the woofer may contribute, but I still think it's something else.
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If anyone is looking to jump into the 708p's, I have three of them for sale in the classifieds.
Already replacing your 708Ps? If so, with what?
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You do understand that there is only one tuning file per speaker, correct? Unless they use contingency programming, which it doesn't look like, this doesn't pass the sniff test.

NotNyt posted the open tunings.

Plus if you look at Gooddoc's compression sweeps with 300 watts (maybe 600) with the DCI 8/300N, you'll see that woofer cannot take additional power without serious consequences under 250hz. I've heard distortion with mine crossed over at 80hz when pushed hard. I have mine bridged running single wire with 600 watts possible, but it's dialed way back.

Feel free to get whatever information you're getting fed, but I'd consider it suspect if anyone is saying the voltage isn't constant considering there's only one tuning file per speaker.

With your room size, why is this even a question for you? You'll be plenty fine with 300 watts.
Can you expand on this? In particular, how far away are your 708s?
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10 ft, but who knows if Room EQ is adding a boost there to compensate or cut. I didn't check Anthem. When up around 90db or greater with strong midbass in a track, I had to up the x-over to 100hz for the center to avoid the distortion from over-excursion
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705i Speaker Tunings

Hello, I believe it was this thread where someone posted the 708i speaker tunings, but 84 pages is pretty hard to go through to confirm. Fortunately I did save that jpg, but I will be receiving the 705i for surrounds and will be needing those tunings as well. All will be powered via a Linea Research 88C which I am super excited to hear.

Does anyone or would anyone be able to post the tunings for the 705i by chance??

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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I agree with the no replacement for displacement. The 708 doesn't have the effortless throttle compared to the 4722. You can definitely tell when they are working hard, but those levels are beyond my "typical" listening levels. The 4722 laughed at the receiver dial no matter how far it dialed up.
Yeah. They are a great speaker, but they have limits. The M2 can put basket size dips in your audiogram .
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Hello, I believe it was this thread where someone posted the 708i speaker tunings, but 84 pages is pretty hard to go through to confirm. Fortunately I did save that jpg, but I will be receiving the 705i for surrounds and will be needing those tunings as well. All will be powered via a Linea Research 88C which I am super excited to hear.

Does anyone or would anyone be able to post the tunings for the 705i by chance??

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
They can be found on the JBL Pro website http://www.jblpro.com/www/products/r...i#.XAiuj2gzaUl

Same file for both 705i and 708i.
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10 ft, but who knows if Room EQ is adding a boost there to compensate or cut. I didn't check Anthem. When up around 90db or greater with strong midbass in a track, I had to up the x-over to 100hz for the center to avoid the distortion from over-excursion
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I agree with the no replacement for displacement. The 708 doesn't have the effortless throttle compared to the 4722. You can definitely tell when they are working hard, but those levels are beyond my "typical" listening levels. The 4722 laughed at the receiver dial no matter how far it dialed up.
Interesting - thanks for the comments. I'm guessing most people should be able to use 708s to achieve reference level at 10 ft without audible distortion if they are not too unlucky with regard to needed EQ boosts. In my case, I'm about 6-7 ft away so I'm fairly confident they would be a good match. Distance may change to about 10 ft in the future though so that's something I keep in mind also.
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All 7 708Ps arrived last night. Switching them out was super simple and they all worked flawlessly with my SDP-75 processor. It was late so I couldn’t crank them but after running the optimizer I was able to listen for an hour or so and am very happy with what I heard. The build quality is much better than the 308s, and they are about 1 inch larger in every dimension. Probably twice the weight too. Also the hiss is almost inaudible.

I am waiting to have the DB25 —> XLR cable made to try out a pure digital chain. ( turning out to be harder than expected). I have a friend coming over Sunday to help me break the speakers in, I’ll be able to provide more detail then.
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They can be found on the JBL Pro website

Same file for both 705i and 708i.
Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm looking for the specific speaker tunings themselves, not the files for the Harman proprietary softwares (BSS / CROWN). I'll be using a Linea Research DSP/Amp and need to input manually. Thanks! Anyone else got the specs themselves?
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Sorry, I wasn't clear. I'm looking for the specific speaker tunings themselves, not the files for the Harman proprietary softwares (BSS / CROWN). I'll be using a Linea Research DSP/Amp and need to input manually. Thanks! Anyone else got the specs themselves?
*tunings not specs
For 705i (i've already tracked down 708i tunings and confirmed with JBL they are precise)
Not sure how to edit my post rather than posting this reply.
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Hello, I believe it was this thread where someone posted the 708i speaker tunings, but 84 pages is pretty hard to go through to confirm. Fortunately I did save that jpg, but I will be receiving the 705i for surrounds and will be needing those tunings as well. All will be powered via a Linea Research 88C which I am super excited to hear.

Does anyone or would anyone be able to post the tunings for the 705i by chance??

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks
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All 7 708Ps arrived last night. Switching them out was super simple and they all worked flawlessly with my SDP-75 processor. It was late so I couldn’t crank them but after running the optimizer I was able to listen for an hour or so and am very happy with what I heard. The build quality is much better than the 308s, and they are about 1 inch larger in every dimension. Probably twice the weight too. Also the hiss is almost inaudible.

I am waiting to have the DB25 —> XLR cable made to try out a pure digital chain. ( turning out to be harder than expected). I have a friend coming over Sunday to help me break the speakers in, I’ll be able to provide more detail then.
Congrats. Looking forward to your impressions. Be sure to comment as much as you can on SPL.

By the way, how far is your listening position from the LCR speakers?
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Congrats. Looking forward to your impressions. Be sure to comment as much as you can on SPL.

By the way, how far is your listening position from the LCR speakers?
8 feet from the fronts and about 5 feet from the surrounds (smallish room). With either the 308 or 708s if you have them crossed over to subs, volume will not be a problem in a normal size room. I promise. Unless you want to damage your hearing.
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8 feet from the fronts and about 5 feet from the surrounds (smallish room). With either the 308 or 708s if you have them crossed over to subs, volume will not be a problem in a normal size room. I promise. Unless you want to damage your hearing.
Thanks.

My room is only 12 ft long x 11 ft wide x 9.5 ft high. I'll be roughly 6-7 ft from the LCR speakers.

If you're able, be sure to post pics.
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