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post #1 of 16 Old 10-29-2014, 12:16 AM - Thread Starter
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Separate cables for front and back

Greetings,

I'm about to order QED XT40 cables for my upcoming Monitor Audio Bronze BX 5.1 system.
I plan to connect these cables via banana plugs both as to speakers and to my receiver (STR-DN840)

My questions are
  • Can I save on buying different cables for my surrounds or I should not mix them up? Each meter cost some but will speakers benefit from it?
  • Is there any practical difference between choosing a spade or banana plug, or having one on speaker and the other one on AV receiver?
  • The website (Futureshop UK) offers a free burn-in service, should I ask them to burn-in my cables? How long? (24/48/72/96 hours)

Every input is highly appreciated! Thanks!
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How exactly do you burn in cables? At least its free.

Spades and banana plugs are all about convenience. One is not inherently better than the other.
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How exactly do you burn in cables? At least its free.

Spades and banana plugs are all about convenience. One is not inherently better than the other.
Can't say about burn-in part, that's the offer from the store: http://www.futureshop.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=9771{14}102{9}23{10}2 06

So I'll just go with bananas on both ends then.

What about cables for surround speakers though, should I just go for it and spend whatever is needed (under 10m) or save by going on cheapo ones' and feel a difference afterwards? Can't quite make my mind since each meter costs 10 GBP and multiply that to 4, main speakers aren't asking much vs other ones at this point.
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  • Can I save on buying different cables for my surrounds or I should not mix them up? Each meter cost some but will speakers benefit from it?
Of course. One wire will carry electricity as well as another.
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    Is there any practical difference between choosing a spade or banana plug, or having one on speaker and the other one on AV receiver?
No, although neither is as secure as bare wire.

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No. It is beyond silly.
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[/LIST]Of course. One wire will carry electricity as well as another.
No, although neither is as secure as bare wire.

No. It is beyond silly.
Thanks for the reply man, well, even my old Sony from all-in-one package wires will do for new surrounds - yes, but I'm curious about quality degradation over whole setup when fronts will get those fantastic XT40's and backs some crappy other-ones'
Perhaps there might be another QED for half or trice the price I should look for, I don't know.
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  • Can I save on buying different cables for my surrounds or I should not mix them up? Each meter cost some but will speakers benefit from it?
  • Is there any practical difference between choosing a spade or banana plug, or having one on speaker and the other one on AV receiver?
  • The website (Futureshop UK) offers a free burn-in service, should I ask them to burn-in my cables? How long? (24/48/72/96 hours)
  • You can save even more by buying regular wire for the front speakers. There's fortunately no magic in wires.
  • Buy spades or banana plugs for convenience. The best connection is bare wire, but connectors on the back of AVR are so close together to make that difficult. Bare wire at the speaker end is fine.
  • There's no such thing as burn-in for wire, but at least it's free.
I spend about C$0.50 a foot for 12 AWG wire, nothing close to what you are looking at. My speakers do just fine. Avoid very thin wire (anything higher than 16 AWG) and avoid copper-clad aluminum wire.
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Note that the claims made for the XT40 cables are pure unadulterated piffle. 'Cable break in' isn't just beyond silly, it's a rip off, pure and simple. I wouldn't buy anything from that source on general principle, those who are out to cheat their customers should not be rewarded with your business. What you actually need shouldn't cost a third of what they're charging for the XT40.
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Hey guys, I've picked up QED XT40 because I trust "What Hi-Fi?" magazine, so far they were quite helpful in picking right products.
And by now XT40 was rated best accessory of 2014, certainly the price went up on that one afterwards and might be twice as much by now.

Some information from the website about burn-in though:

FREE CABLE BURN-IN SERVICE OPTION USING THE NORDOST VIDAR MACHINE WHEN YOU PURCHASE THIS CABLE FROM FUTURESHOP.CO.UK

We are pleased to offer a free cable burn-in service for this cable when purchased through us. The Nordost VIDAR cable burn-in machine combines three different functions all in one operation:
  • It neutralises charges that build up around the cables and the insulation
  • It provides a very wide band and deep conditioning into the conductor core, which produces changes in the way signals pass through the metal.
  • It ultrasonically conditions the surface of the conductors.

The VIDAR uses a proprietary combination of composite and complex signals to condition the cables. Parts of the signal oscillate at ultra-low frequencies, while other parts are in ultra-high ranges which extend beyond the range of video frequencies. The signal bounces in a ping-ping ball-like fashion from one end of the cable to the other. During the burn-in process, ultra-low frequencies penetrate deep into the core of the cable. The ultra-high frequencies zip along the surface. This method of signal transmission a set up beat harmonics, or heterodynes, between the two complex waveforms. In the digital domain, this would be referred to as aliasing products. These beat frequencies penetrate all layers of the cable.

The design of the circuitry also has a unique feature which drives electrons above the conductor into the dielectric (or insulation) area. The VIDAR not only sends ping pong signals along the cable, it also sends a similar signal from the centre core to the outer shield in the case of interconnect cables. This function neutralises the electrical charges discussed above.

So what does that all mean to me?
The end result of conditioning cables with the Nordost VIDAR is improved sound staging, increased detail, and an overall more musical presentation.

http://www.futureshop.co.uk/download...branded_v2.pdf
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The magazine you mention is supported by advertising
Revenue, from companies like QED and will print
Whatever QED tells them too...for a price.

Certainly no reason to "trust" the magazine.

I agree with the other posters on this thread.
Cable burn in is a joke meant to be played
On the uninformed.

Don't waste your money on exotic cable.

What kind of wiring do you think is inside your
Speakers??? How about the wiring inside your
Sony? Think about it.
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The magazine you mention is supported by advertising
Revenue, from companies like QED and will print
Whatever QED tells them too...for a price.

Certainly no reason to "trust" the magazine.

I agree with the other posters on this thread.
Cable burn in is a joke meant to be played
On the uninformed.

Don't waste your money on exotic cable.

What kind of wiring do you think is inside your
Speakers??? How about the wiring inside your
Sony? Think about it.
Well, they are sponsored indeed and hopefully they won't spoil their reputation by upping an unworthy brand/item just because they paid to push it forward. I got your message man and I guess I won't be going xt40 on back ones, even though I'm eager to try those for fronts.

Is there any other particular model you would recommend?
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Well, they are sponsored indeed and hopefully they won't spoil their reputation by upping an unworthy brand/item just because they paid to push it forward. I got your message man and I guess I won't be going xt40 on back ones, even though I'm eager to try those for fronts.

Is there any other particular model you would recommend?
I recommend that you save your
HARD EARNED money and go to
Your local hardware store and buy
Some copper 14 gauge wire to do
ALL of your speakers...like me!

Fancy speaker wire gets no love on this
Site...very few people here recommend them.

The Science shows if you use a quality copper wire
Of sufficient thickness (gauge) that there will be no
Audible benefit versus using "fancy" wire with a premium
Price.
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Here is a really neat thread about a lot
Of guys who took it on themselves to
Build their own fancy cables..at a fraction
Of the cost. It's a very long thread.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...nd-cables.html
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Here is a really neat thread about a lot
Of guys who took it on themselves to
Build their own fancy cables..at a fraction
Of the cost. It's a very long thread.

https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...nd-cables.html
A thread to look at indeed man. I hope you will excuse me for buying 3 of those aforementioned cables though haha =)
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Cheap cables are good. I have Monster XP cable only because I find it on special at returns stores like Essex Bargain Hunt.
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So what does that all mean to me?
Nothing.

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The end result of conditioning cables with the Nordost VIDAR is improved sound staging, increased detail, and an overall more musical presentation.
Total nonsense. If you believe it, buy it. But you shouldn't believe it. Not only would such a result run counter to the laws of physics but we have proven this stuff to be false over and over in bias controlled listening tests. It really is snake oil.
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Total nonsense. If you believe it, buy it. But you shouldn't believe it. Not only would such a result run counter to the laws of physics but we have proven this stuff to be false over and over in bias controlled listening tests. It really is snake oil.
Snake oil it is then, thank you for the insight my friend.
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