Originally Posted by gpa33
You don't think $225 is a good deal for the R-28F's? But $600 for the RF-82II's is about right? Did you ever think the Rf II's are overpriced, and your paying for the name reference? It really works both ways, whatever scam you think they are pulling with the new reference line, was probably used for the original reference line too, you have to admit, Reference is pretty catchy isn't it?
You said..."What better way that to take a cabinet design, drivers, etc that you already have or have designed and slightly redo them while calling it something else?"
Hmmm, kind of what Klipsch did going from the original reference line to the reference II line. Wish you could hear the R-28F's, you might change your mind.
I can afford the Rf-82II's, but always heard the Icons were pretty close, so I picked these up for cheap and was surprised how good they sound. I know the III's are coming out soon, if they are better than the II's, maybe I will get those down the road.
...I haven't said anything on price. That's because that is strictly up to the buyer. Are the R-28's good enough or are the RF-82's worth the extra money? Well, that depends on who you talk to, what they're budget is, etc. If this was the case then no company would make any speakers other than 1 line, which they would try to get priced as low as possible. Whoever can make a $0.01 speaker wins. Sure there's a possibility and likelihood that it won't be as good as 'most' of the more expensive speakers in that companies & other companies line, but it's not worth it right to pay more if you only get a little better sound right? That's fine if someone, you, whoever is happy with their purchase and spent less. That's great! Enjoy them! You don't have to justify your purchase if you're truly happy with them. They're for you...no one else.
Again, it's impossible to say what's 'overpriced' as that comes down to the individual purchasing the item. With Klipsch, you're paying for A LOT of marketing, R&D, etc I'd assume. If you're paying for it in the RF-II line, you're going to pay for it in the other lines also. They're not going to get 30% return on the RFII and then break even on the new reference. That's just stupid and no company would ever do that. If they did, they wouldn't be in business for long.
Klipsch going from Reference I to Reference II wasn't a new thing....it was an evolution in the previous speaker. I mean they didn't even change the name for christ sake. The 'new' reference line looks EXACTLY like the Icon, but with a different veneer and copper colored drivers. They know the Reference line is far more known and wanted than the Icon. What better way to increase profit margins! That's another reason why I said measurements AND pictures of the drivers, crossovers, etc will show if it's the same as the Icon and how it compares on that level with the upper tier Reference II's.
Originally Posted by gpa33
No, Klipsch is not dumb, did you ever think the sales for the RF II line has slowed down, have you noticed the 20% holiday promotion? I agree, Klipsch doesn't want to kill their market base for the II line, that's where they make the money, because they are overpriced!!! Never said the R-28F's were better, just said they are getting closer. What do you know about cerametallic besides what Klipsch told you? Who told you titanium if better than aluminum? Does sound cool though.
How many people do you think have the ideal theater room with perfect acoustics? I'm guessing not many, so with the II's being a little better, most people will never notice it anyway. To be honest, if I had the perfect theatre setup, I wouldn't be using the RF-82II's anyway. Realistically, I think the Rf 82II is probably a $100 better speaker than the R-28F...$400 vs $300, which goes back to my original point, at this price range you are not going to see a huge difference in sound quality like some people are suggesting.
Again, overpriced is subjective also. You see huge mark downs in every Klipsch line...because you're paying for a lot more than just the speaker itself.
If you think the R-28F is close enough to the RF-II line (and you've heard both instead of speculation) then that's great for you! Your ears just saved you money. Someone else might feel they're not even close though. Once again, graphs, pictures, etc help here too.
Ti vs. Al? Well, what are they using in their RF-I, RF-II, RF-7, RF-7 II.......they would likely use what's best for them in their best speaker don't ya think...
Your second paragraph just tells me you're trying to justify your purchase. 'You think' the RF-82II is 'probably' a $100 better speaker? SOUND IS SUBJECTIVE!
Originally Posted by gpa33
I agree, I mean how much different could they really be. If they were a different brand or much bigger gap in price, then maybe. Got them on sale to hold me over until the new III's come out. If the III's are more than just cosmetic changes to the II's, I will sell the R-28F's for $300 for the pair, and get the III's.
Just thinkin, would Klipsch take a chance on hurting their name by selling a crappy pair of speakers at bestbuy? Doubt it, they have a certain sound they have to live up to. Take it for what it is, but I don't think I've ever heard a bad review for Icons, synergy, or the new reference lines, all those people don't know what to listen for?
So you'll get the III's if there are more than just cosmetic changes, but the Icon to R-xxF line is basically cosmetic (and barely anything at that) and it's an okay purchase?
Klipsch doesn't care about hurting their name. They've already made their name. They have to make speakers for different budgets. That's it. They DO sell crappy speakers and for quite a bit more than they should be. That's why ID vs. B&M is usually in favor of the ID brand by a good margin.