Originally Posted by Mfusick
My ears agree too. I've learned through a painful and long learning process that I personally prefer accurate. Many others do so I'm not weird, at least not in this specific regard
I know met some people on these forums that have hearing loss, yet give opinions on sound, also seen others that are clearly too old to make an opinion on the top end yet do so, and finally as my last example seen people do absolutely terrible things in their set up and then make mega declarations like "omg the best ever" or "it totally sucks" when it's quite obvious to me they are idiots and their opinion quite inaccurate. I know this isn't always the most popular topic to discuss around here but don't shoot the messenger. It's important sometimes to have perspective.
Trust but verify,
I have a friend that recorded bands back in the 1970's and he is a devout "use your ears and to heck with meters etc." guy. Yes, he is a musician and KNOWS what good sound is!
I played a test tone at 10KHz and it was very loud and annoying...and he could not hear it. He was able to hear at 8KHz...and yet, he always told me my speakers lack crispness of the highs
Now, I'm 50 and my ears are better than normal as I can hear 14KHz with no problem. However, I'm fully aware that age is never to be denied and never comment on anything over 10KHz...to do so is being either in denial or a sign of ignorance. The days of hearing a flyback transformer in tube TVs ringing from across the room are gone.
Back in my 20's, I did PA setups and ALWAYS verified with test tones, out of phase signals and the like after getting the sound decent. After all, it was not about me--it was about the crowd of people so accuracy with a little extra boom and sizzle is what worked best.
Since my hearing varies depending on sleep, time of day, hydration, altitude, age, diet that week, mood and if I've had a few beers--always verify since my ears are a variable. You can't train your ears to hear something that is gone...
One of the best tests I've read about concerned DACs at Tomshardware.com. He is a PhD in engineering so wanted to do a double blind test on DACs. He tested them first with test equipment and noted one of them down 1.2dB at 100Hz. Then he grabbed a bunch of people including two audiophiles to listen to four different types between a $2K DAC down to a $2 built-in to the motherboard DAC. The audiophiles he tested their hearing at 12Hz to 17KHz and the other at 14Hz to 20KHz. The audiophile that had a $70K stereo could not tell the difference between a $2 DAC or $2K DAC even with the ability to hear 20KHz. A very valid data point that shows test equipment is more accurate and repeatable than even the best human hearing.
User reviews, "professional" reviews etc. do mean something...your hearing also means something to throw in the mix. Just be aware other people's hearing and your hearing along with the many biases humans have tend to really screw up the results. The only thing that does not have bias, hearing loss, dehydration, ego etc. is test equipment.
So if you're going to purchase high dollar 5K and up equipment, it would be a good investment to get your ears professionally cleaned and tested before attempting to gather information. No point in getting ribbon super tweeters for the 15K to 60KHz band if you can't hear past 15K...that huge cost savings will pay for the doc to clean your ears and test them. If the specs and actual tested graphs match up with what you can hear, then you have a good match.
Condoms are like speakers, everyone has a feeling of what they are comfortable with, what it should look like, additional features, the size required and ease of use. Speakers, just like condoms should have third party testing to verify they work as advertised! The engineers at Trojan don't use their professional penis to determine the durability of their product..they test it and I'm thankful they do!
Trust but verify!