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4722's up front with four SCS12's side/rear surround and four SCS8's for front and rear overheads.

Bam.
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4722's up front with four SCS12's side/rear surround and four SCS8's for front and rear overheads.

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I had thought about the SCS-12's, but they would a little too big for my room...plus the SCS8's actually have a better dispersion pattern. Don't think you can go wrong either way.
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Has anyone directly compared the JBL SCS8's with the Volt 10 LX?
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Has anyone directly compared the JBL SCS8's with the Volt 10 LX?
As coach mentioned, the scs 8 is 120x120 coverage pattern. The SCS 12 are 100x100. If you look at a lot of the JBL demos, such as Cedia, they often use the JBL M2 with the SCS 8.

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http://www.soundandvision.com/conten...roWZoQctXec.97

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Yeah. Those last 10 degrees in each direction really make the difference.

They are more useful because they are smaller and more lightweight. The point of the 12's is more output per cab (not needed in domestic applications) and more extension. Both would ideally use bass management.




A more fair comparison would be the SCS8's compared to the JTR Slant8's or Seaton's Spark.
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Yeah. Those last 10 degrees in each direction really make the difference.

They are more useful because they are smaller and more lightweight. The point of the 12's is more output per cab (not needed in domestic applications) and more extension. Both would ideally use bass management.




A more fair comparison would be the SCS8's compared to the JTR Slant8's or Seaton's Spark.
Big...HUGE....

The S8's are very nice. A buddy of mine just got four of them to go with his JBL 3677's and I was very impressed with how they sound...they just aren't worth the additional money, IMO. The SCS8's are very inexpensive compared the price of the S8's.
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Last I remember, the JTR S8's were ~$1k EACH. Has that changed and how much can one acquire the JBL SCS8's for?
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Last I remember, the JTR S8's were ~$1k EACH. Has that changed and how much can one acquire the JBL SCS8's for?

The SCS 8 are $350 street price (think retail is around $500). I had JTR T8 for my surrounds for several years and don't find I am missing any extension when I switched to the SCS 8 last year. Likely because I cross at 80HZ anyways. I really like the matching surround and Atmos speakers.
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Last I remember, the JTR S8's were ~$1k EACH. Has that changed and how much can one acquire the JBL SCS8's for?
Close, S8's are 900 a piece. I did a search earlier for the SCS8's and 475 a piece was the cheapest I could find.
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Close, S8's are 900 a piece. I did a search earlier for the SCS8's and 475 a piece was the cheapest I could find.
I believe I was close to the $350 price as well....they could have gone up some, but check with the guys at Full Compass.
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BTW, today Full Compass quoted me 1199 + some kind of 10 dollar fee so 1209 per 4722 shipped. They were going to check on a price (or if they would do it) for the 4722's with the better CD's. I'd rather not have to mess with selling the stock CD's, but I will if it makes a big enough difference.
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Woah! $350 each for the SCS8's?

Hmmm....
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Do they sell for lower than the price on their web page?

http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/281167-JBL-SCS-8
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Woah! $350 each for the SCS8's?

Hmmm....
Yes sir!!!! (at least a year ago...if the MSRP went up since then, then I am guessing their price went up as well)

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Do they sell for lower than the price on their web page?

http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/281167-JBL-SCS-8
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Giddy up!

There ya go, Sheldon. No excuse not to get eight of these dinky lil things to .... match up with your 4722's.

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Giddy up!

There ya go, Sheldon. No excuse not to get eight of these dinky lil things to .... match up with your 4722's.


Ha, right, especially since I might only need 6 (5.1.4)!!

I have a feeling they will be a little more than 350 since the 1150 price that has stayed stable for a long time on the 4722 has gone up by 60 per speaker.

Volt's are still tempting at less than 200 a piece though, and I already have 2.
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Ha, right, especially since I might only need 6 (5.1.4)!!


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Tried it, it says, "there are no shipping methods available" after I put in my zip code to estimate shipping costs.
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Tried it, it says, "there are no shipping methods available" after I put in my zip code to estimate shipping costs.
Use that website to force Full Compass to price match. The listed price is $1147, so they should match it
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Do you think they will even though that site won't ship?
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I'd call before determining they won't ship. It might be a glitch.
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http://www.fullcompass.com/prod/082923-JBL-Control-328C

I maybe wrong but this in-ceiling speaker here looks and has specs similar to the scs 8. I want in ceiling for my atmos speakers and if I go with the scs 8 for surrounds these may work for in ceiling.
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adding 4 ceiling speakers (ha, not 4722's obviously) for Atmos.
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Considering we really can't match all of the speakers i.e. putting 4722s on the ceiling, there is going to be a slight mismatch when panning to the ceiling SCS 8. I detect it, but most people wouldn't.
Isn't this the reason why @MKtheater went full B215XL's & @Archaea 's C200?
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The 412 may be a better option, as the 700hz crossover is the same as the 4700. I think it is only $100 more.
Bi-amp. I guess you'll need a QSC specific DSP to pair with it?
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Isn't this the reason why @MKtheater went full B215XL's & @Archaea 's C200?
Yes it is. IMHO Matching all speakers is where it's at! When I am tempted to change something I think about the side and ceilings as well.
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Isn't this the reason why @MKtheater went full B215XL's & @Archaea 's C200?
I'm not completely sold on that. Yes, movies are great in Archaea's room but music isn't as as good (IMO - it's still really good though) as having a higher end front stage setup.

Now that I have the minidsp 88BM I can - at the click of the mouse while sitting in the sweet spot - toggle the mute button on all of the speakers and subs. When you mute the LRC during a movie you get much less sound than some might think out of the surrounds. You still get a lot, don't get me wrong, but it's often very intermittent and sounds spotty - as it should.

I think there is a good chance that his system would be just as good using Volt's for LRC and Macke's for surrounds or vice versa.

The best room in KC for movies that I have heard is Derek's (the bass is better though in Jonathan's room), he has an all JTR Atmos setup but it's not matching. Single 8's for all 8 surround speakers and 228's for the LRC, so not even the same compression driver.
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Different room acoustics, can't say why one room sounds better than another. My berries are not my favorite speakers for music, that goes to my JBL DIY designed speakers, but the all matching berries for movies is my favorite in my room. I used to have three JBL 3622Ns and 4 JBL surrounds. I like the berries better from memory but for my room. In another room I might prefer the JBLs. We are not talking huge differences. With 2 channel music it is much different. I would think the baffle wall would hurt 2 channel but is awesome for cinema.
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Different room acoustics, can't say why one room sounds better than another. My berries are not my favorite speakers for music, that goes to my JBL DIY designed speakers, but the all matching berries for movies is my favorite in my room. I used to have three JBL 3622Ns and 4 JBL surrounds. I like the berries better from memory but for my room. In another room I might prefer the JBLs. We are not talking huge differences. With 2 channel music it is much different. I would think the baffle wall would hurt 2 channel but is awesome for cinema.
Usually music is more dependent on a good off axis, and you tend to appreciate the lateral reflections more with music (width and spaciousness). But I would not say a baffle wall hurts music, it actually solves a lot of acoustic problems. The side wall treatment is what helps music. Also bass trapping and treatment. You treat the side walls a little different when music is the priority but I think clarity is still important in both applications. With relatively more speakers you are exposed to relatively more direct sound so the off axis does take more of a back seat in that application too. It's not that the differences don't matter or you can't tell- it's just it takes a little more to realize it as you don't quite notice as easily. Kind of the same concept why it's better to test a speaker for fidelity in mono, but the results stay the same in stereo testing (just takes more effort).

Matching is great when you can, but even good ideas can become bad ideas in the hands of a fool. There is a such thing as taking things too far, and past the point of good into the territory of bad. Hanging a monstrous 4722 or alike monster pro audio speaker off your ceiling for atmos or trying to use them for side surrounds I believe is in this realm of more bad than good and a good idea taken too far. The list of reasons why that could be considered stupid is quite long. For brevity only a few: Looks terrible, dangerous if falls on your head, sounds bad, doesn't match application, acoustics and distances of typical sides/overheads/backs no conducive to speaker's needs, you can't timbre match anyways because sound above or behind or on side sounds inherently different than in front of you based on human ear shape and human brain/ear processing, easier to fix timbre with electronic assistance than mount gigantic heavy speakers in all locations, cost more, wife would leave you, educated people that know better would laugh at you, you'll regret learning it didn't work as well as you imagined, ok... I might be going to far... You get the point though right? (FYI I was not talking to you or anyone specifically, I just simply quoted you is all).

Bottom line is speaker choice is about application and you should match the speaker to the application. In a relatively closer distance with surrounds and overheads you gain SPL due to the closer distance so the SPL capability takes a back seat and the coverage pattern and cohesion of the sound takes a higher priority. You have the task of spreading what is often a relatively wide listening area with coverage of sound from a relatively closer distance- which usually means you need a speaker that's good at that. You don't want a PA style laser beam speaker hanging over your head, directly to the side and behind you- pointed right at your ears ready to make them bleed. So while matching speakers is in theory a great idea, it can be in practicality a terrible idea when done wrong. Timbre matching surrounds is lower on the totem pole of priority than a lot of the problems people create trying to do it. If you can, and it works - great. But don't force it or take it too far.
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The 412 may be a better option, as the 700hz crossover is the same as the 4700. I think it is only $100 more.
Agreed. However it must be biamped. At this stage of my life I want to keep my setup as simple as possible. So I'm sticking with the passive 312xc.
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