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Seriously guys, Trolls die if you don't feed them. Have we not explained 1+1=2 enough already? Team 4722!!! ready, break!
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I LOVE my 4722s! Watching movies at home is better than the theater (even my wife says so!). Music is great. I can't stand people who don't have them making comments about them. Thank you for the recommendation through this thread!
Can't remember, did you get upgraded CD?
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Just to clarify, I don't plan to replace my 4722's in the theater room. I may pick up a pair of the 4312SE for another room for 2-channel listening. Another kid is off to college this summer, so a room is opening up.
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Just to clarify, I don't plan to replace my 4722's in the theater room. I may pick up a pair of the 4312SE for another room for 2-channel listening. Another kid is off to college this summer, so a room is opening up.
I was actually thinking the same thing when you posted about the 4312SE yesterday. Sounds like a great option.

I also have one going to college this fall...first one...wife is already dreading it
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Can't remember, did you get upgraded CD?


Nope. All stock. 99% movies and occasional listening session. May consider upgrading CDs later just for fun!


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Another old comment I found! I'm getting excited! ^ & V







@carp is the 250 shipping included? Please give some more impressions! Particularly vs the JTR sweetness you always loved from your first original 212 Noesis



We shall see Monday! If it gets pushed back again I may inquire if Carp's seller includes shipping, I'm not in a hurry though. $100 off worth the hassle of switching. $60-ish off meh I'll stay...


Yes, 250 was with shipping included so 750 total. I'll post impressions for sure, I'm also having a buddy make the spacers for me since I'm lacking on power tools.
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@notnyt or anyone else -

Can someone direct me to the post where Notnyt says what bolts and nuts to use with the upgraded CD's? I've done a few searches and am coming up empty. Also, since I will be using the spacer I wasn't sure if a different bolt was needed for that or not.

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@notnyt or anyone else -

Can someone direct me to the post where Notnyt says what bolts and nuts to use with the upgraded CD's? I've done a few searches and am coming up empty. Also, since I will be using the spacer I wasn't sure if a different bolt was needed for that or not.

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A quick thread search for "stud" turned this one up.
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Carp, I'm sure it was a thread oversight that a search for "stud" didn't focus on you.
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A quick thread search for "stud" turned this one up.
https://www.avsforum.com/forum/89-spe...l#post42275489

Carp, I'm sure it was a thread oversight that a search for "stud" didn't focus on you.
Ha, no my search term was "bolt". Thanks David!
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Ha, no my search term was "bolt". Thanks David!
They're set screws

If you're using the spacer, you need 1/4-20 1.5"

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They're set screws

If you're using the spacer, you need 1/4-20 1.5"

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Ok cool thanks Rob. Well, I'll be able to compare how they sound before and after the spacer because there is no way I'm not trying them out this weekend.
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Ok cool thanks Rob. Well, I'll be able to compare how they sound before and after the spacer because there is no way I'm not trying them out this weekend.
You are a total slacker. CDs take 6 weeks to deliver and you don't even have everything lined up to install them. Mine were installed within 30 minutes of being delivered to my house. Your slippin Carp...your slippin
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You are a total slacker. CDs take 6 weeks to deliver and you don't even have everything lined up to install them. Mine were installed within 30 minutes of being delivered to my house. Your slippin Carp...your slippin
Are you saying I'm losing my touch?!?!


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Haha, I gotta watch that movie again sometime, it's been 15 years probably.

"Did you ever have a touch to lose, man!!!"


Ok, so I swapped out the center and right channel and left the stock CD in the left channel for now.

Gritty. That's how I would describe the sound of the stock CD compared to the larger one. It reminds me of when we compared the brand new Noesis from JTR at the first park GTG vs my then Elemental Designs Cinema 12. It's not as drastic of a difference as that was but it's obvious for sure. When you walk up to one speaker and put your head by the horn (low volume at the main LP, not trying to go deaf here) I could keep my head there all day on the new CD, but on the stock CD my gut instinct is to move because it's a bit harsh and gravelly in comparison.

In fact that's what this CD reminds me of, the BMS CD that the higher end JTR's use.

Anyone on the fence shouldn't hesitate to upgrade. It's so easy to hear the difference. I'll add my thanks to the list of people that are grateful to Rob for doing all the work on this, thanks man!

jlpowell, other than that it's tough for me to compare to the JTR's - audio memory being what it is. I won't know right away anyway, I'll see if over time I get addicted to listening to music like I did with the 212's and 215's.
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Does jbl sell a part that is used as a spacer or mounting part for the Cd to horn ?
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Just got through reading this whole thread. That took a little bit of time....Lovin the impressions of these beasts. Not gonna lie I was hoping I'd hear a little more about the 3 ways in particular the 3732/3731. Don't have any experience with either, its more so the look of these things . Probably more so the 3731 due to the height and what appears to be better components.
Hypothetically, would this route be the "next" step up in the JBL pro line if one felt like they wanted more than the 4722 even after upgrading the CD?
I can fine very minimal information on these screen arrays and most are people doing hybrid DIY projects.
Read Chop's thread when he was considering these, actually it might of been the 4 ways... idk but was hoping to get some opinions.
4722 with the upgraded CD is probably more than enough and possibly better than the 3 ways w/o the right room and set up knowledge... but my curiosity usually gets the best of me.


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They're set screws

If you're using the spacer, you need 1/4-20 1.5"

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If spacer used can we just use the stock bolts?

I did order and already have these though
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If spacer used can we just use the stock bolts?

I did order and already have these though
yeah if you don't thread them all the way into the cd
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Ok, so I swapped out the center and right channel and left the stock CD in the left channel for now.

Gritty. That's how I would describe the sound of the stock CD compared to the larger one. It reminds me of when we compared the brand new Noesis from JTR at the first park GTG vs my then Elemental Designs Cinema 12. It's not as drastic of a difference as that was but it's obvious for sure. When you walk up to one speaker and put your head by the horn (low volume at the main LP, not trying to go deaf here) I could keep my head there all day on the new CD, but on the stock CD my gut instinct is to move because it's a bit harsh and gravelly in comparison.

In fact that's what this CD reminds me of, the BMS CD that the higher end JTR's use.

Anyone on the fence shouldn't hesitate to upgrade. It's so easy to hear the difference. I'll add my thanks to the list of people that are grateful to Rob for doing all the work on this, thanks man!

jlpowell, other than that it's tough for me to compare to the JTR's - audio memory being what it is. I won't know right away anyway, I'll see if over time I get addicted to listening to music like I did with the 212's and 215's.
@carp this is amazing! Funny how subjective opinions can excite me more than all of Robs work. I do give thanks where it is due (I imagine Rob is tired of hearing it over and over!) and our enjoyment may not have happened without his work so it's the foundation! I am grateful because it's now multiples who have changed to the 2453H-SL and commented on EXACTLY what I have been looking for in a speaker my whole "Toilet acoustics journey." That is a sweeter upper end CD (all the qualities that come from a compression driver) that simply doesn't ask for me to grab the remote when peaks hit and has a drawing quality for music. I came to value your subjective opinions over last 3-4 years dreaming of that sweet 212 Noesis BMS 4593 CD. I had went to Bsoko2's place in Washington in which he had LCR JTR Quintuplets (five 8" driver with middle being a coaxial setup with Eminence woofer and BMS CD), then he had four Triple8's in surround duty and quad Submersives with a full GIK acoustics treated room. I don't know what BMS CD @Jeff Permanian used in those old Quintuplets but it captivated me as we watched Oblivion at -5 sitting 8.5ft from LCR! The best way to describe it was polar opposite of harsh! Never a single moment of "eeekness!" And it had a quality that drew me in! I then listened to you describe my experience as your own as you owned your 212's. I was love drunk after JTR's since that moment! The next day we traveled to Kris Deerings place in Seattle in which he had a 5 channel Legacy Focus SE setup with Submersives and Mark Seaton there to calibrate the system. It was pretty nice yes but there where harsh moments and comparing to Bsoko2's JTR system it was night and day for me subjectively I emphasize!

All this to say your audio adjectives literally feel stolen from my mind! 'Gritty' & 'Gravelly' may be number one term I would use for the 2432 ONLY WHEN THOSE HARSH MOMENTS COME UPON my ears or near horn which I have done. Otherwise they sound good, not trashing on them!

This made my day
"In fact that's what this CD reminds me of, the BMS CD that the higher end JTR's use."

And I will be paying close attention to this
"I'll see if over time I get addicted to listening to music like I did with the 212's and 215's"

And the massive bonus over had I got JTR's (besides 215's and 210RT's) is the to die for mid bass! So if this CD grabs me I may have the closest to best speaker for me for 1400 ish! Another thing I am interested is bass comparison of the 4722 vs 215RT. I know who wins extension but I mean the general articulation and 'hugging' of notes

I watched the accountant tonight with my fridges left off and 4722's running Large. Wife never knew subs were off, they dominate and IMO a "NON BASS HEAD" building a theater could get away without subs. Crazies like us no way but dad looking for "general good sound and bass" a stock 4722 could suffice.


Yes to others who read I am well aware setup, placement and organic EQ aka room treatments can really take a speaker to another level like the stock CD as well as upgraded. I place tremendous value on that and am aware in my imperfect living room setup I will not get optimal performance out of them. Hmmm, as I type I see me and a stereo setup outside with the new CD's
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Didn't expect response so fast lol! You be up late or early

Forgive my denseness but 'thread all the way into the CD?' The set screws from Master Carr are also 1.5" long so what am I missing? Using spacer of course I should have added perhaps...
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As been reading through thread again there was one who could not tell the 2453 apart from the 2432. Jasonr93 I think it was with vast music and movie listening. Him and his wife I believe. Just seems odd based on Carp and Molon but then again Frolich didn't get as excited about it.
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Just got through reading this whole thread. That took a little bit of time....Lovin the impressions of these beasts. Not gonna lie I was hoping I'd hear a little more about the 3 ways in particular the 3732/3731. Don't have any experience with either, its more so the look of these things . Probably more so the 3731 due to the height and what appears to be better components.
Hypothetically, would this route be the "next" step up in the JBL pro line if one felt like they wanted more than the 4722 even after upgrading the CD?
I can fine very minimal information on these screen arrays and most are people doing hybrid DIY projects.
Read Chop's thread when he was considering these, actually it might of been the 4 ways... idk but was hoping to get some opinions.
4722 with the upgraded CD is probably more than enough and possibly better than the 3 ways w/o the right room and set up knowledge... but my curiosity usually gets the best of me.


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With the 3731, listening distance will need to be increased. If you have a big room, why not?
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As been reading through thread again there was one who could not tell the 2453 apart from the 2432. Jasonr93 I think it was with vast music and movie listening. Him and his wife I believe. Just seems odd based on Carp and Molon but then again Frolich didn't get as excited about it.
Everyone hears differently so it doesn't surprise me that some my not hear what I hear when comparing the CD's. The only way to know is try it yourself - which you will be!
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Haha, I gotta watch that movie again sometime, it's been 15 years probably.



"Did you ever have a touch to lose, man!!!"





Ok, so I swapped out the center and right channel and left the stock CD in the left channel for now.



Gritty. That's how I would describe the sound of the stock CD compared to the larger one. It reminds me of when we compared the brand new Noesis from JTR at the first park GTG vs my then Elemental Designs Cinema 12. It's not as drastic of a difference as that was but it's obvious for sure. When you walk up to one speaker and put your head by the horn (low volume at the main LP, not trying to go deaf here) I could keep my head there all day on the new CD, but on the stock CD my gut instinct is to move because it's a bit harsh and gravelly in comparison.



In fact that's what this CD reminds me of, the BMS CD that the higher end JTR's use.



Anyone on the fence shouldn't hesitate to upgrade. It's so easy to hear the difference. I'll add my thanks to the list of people that are grateful to Rob for doing all the work on this, thanks man!



jlpowell, other than that it's tough for me to compare to the JTR's - audio memory being what it is. I won't know right away anyway, I'll see if over time I get addicted to listening to music like I did with the 212's and 215's.

@carp due to this I am now starting to think about upgrading. Thanks for spending more of my money. It won't be for a while, but I think it is going to happen....dang it.


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@carp due to this I am now starting to think about upgrading. Thanks for spending more of my money. It won't be for a while, but I think it is going to happen....dang it.


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I think people take too much stock in my impressions for some reason... which makes no sense. If you read enough of my posts on different threads you quickly realize that I have no idea what I am doing and I have no skills as it relates to this hobby.




Seriously though... it's so worth the money for 250 a speaker! I couldn't resist!
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I think people take too much stock in my impressions for some reason... which makes no sense. If you read enough of my posts on different threads you quickly realize that I have no idea what I am doing and I have no skills as it relates to this hobby.









Seriously though... it's so worth the money for 250 a speaker! I couldn't resist!


I'm with you on having no idea what I am doing, but I know what I like and that's good enough for me. And it is really unbelievable that these speakers could get any better so now I am even more intrigued. Now I need to sell my 1099 to fund one of these!


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Didn't expect response so fast lol! You be up late or early

Forgive my denseness but 'thread all the way into the CD?' The set screws from Master Carr are also 1.5" long so what am I missing? Using spacer of course I should have added perhaps...
ah pardon me, been out of it from this stone. if you have the stock 1.5, it should work fine.

I didn't for my center, so got new ones. I'm using 2452s on the left and right which have deeper threads, the 1.5 aren't long enough if you thread them all the way in, but will still work.
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I ordered from Speaker Exchange. I don't want to keep bugging them with emails requesting shipping updates.

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it's not going to be right unless you feed a mono signal to them, since the mix isn't going to be the same in the l and r.

it's possible you just like the brighter sound
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I ordered from Speaker Exchange. I don't want to keep bugging them with emails requesting shipping updates.
Yes I agree, I only inquired once since ordering Dec 30th My total is 854 shipped so 750 is tempting...We will see how tomm goes...
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